Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-21 Thread Simon Hobson
Jaromil wrote: > from what I understand Simon is saying here, he is not being > understood really. What he is suggesting is to add a small > documentation text that, in case one doesn't knows what to choose, > mentions what is the most common choice in case of most common setups > (today is

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Ozi Traveller
I like this one https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/ ozi On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 6:32 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 21/06/2018 à 08:51, Rick Moen a écrit : > >> My bit of snark was marred by omitting the URL (drat): >> >> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): >>>

Re: [DNG] accessibility for new blind user

2018-06-21 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 03:35:31PM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > I would warmly suggest your friend to contact the linux-speakup > project: > > http://linux-speakup.org/ > > That's a bunch of cool people who have been writing quality software > for blind and visually impaired users under GNU/Linux.

Re: [DNG] accessibility for new blind user

2018-06-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:49:37 +0200, Arnt wrote in message <20180621174937.37a2416c@d44>: > On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:35:31 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message > <20180621133531.jq5a4lhwzaxbb...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 05:04:37AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I've got

Re: [DNG] accessibility for new blind user

2018-06-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:35:31 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message <20180621133531.jq5a4lhwzaxbb...@katolaz.homeunix.net>: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 05:04:37AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I've got a friend down the hall considering migrating from Windows > > to Linux. Ordinarily I'd sy no problem

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread dan pridgeon
From: Martin Steigerwald To: dng@lists.dyne.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] When 128? >From what I learned and read over the years, just about any other CPU architecture other than than x86 is both conceptually and technically more sound than x86.

Re: [DNG] accessibility for new blind user

2018-06-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 05:04:37AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I've got a friend down the hall considering migrating from Windows to > Linux. Ordinarily I'd sy no problem and advise him accordingly. > > But he is blind and I am not. He will have toe doubble challenge of > figuring out Linux

[DNG] accessibility for new blind user

2018-06-21 Thread Hendrik Boom
I've got a friend down the hall considering migrating from Windows to Linux. Ordinarily I'd sy no problem and advise him accordingly. But he is blind and I am not. He will have toe doubble challenge of figuring out Linux and at the saame time figuring out its accessiility subsystems. I have

Re: [DNG] pgcli bash completion script included in the official package

2018-06-21 Thread Antonio Trkdz.tab
Hi Adam, Thank you for your reply. I think that the pgcli people are more concerned on features of their tool itself. My script feels to me more akin to a surrounding enhancement, rather than a core feature, hence the complete lack of interest from really upstream. Also the repo is completely

Re: [DNG] ASCII installation static IP problem

2018-06-21 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Hi Don, Don Wright writes: > Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > >>Installing a desktop, by default, pulls in wicd (or network-manager). >>You can prevent this by using apt-get's --no-install-recommend option. > > Not an option within the de??an installer - which was the context of the > original post. I

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

2018-06-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:39:51 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20180621033951.gg32...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI (ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org): > > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 22:16:10 +0200 > > "J. Fahrner" wrote: > > > > > Bunsenlab has also a GUI program for adjusting fonts

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/06/2018 à 11:34, ael a écrit : On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 09:37:26AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: It is time for true excellence again. It was on offer for several years, but too few understood: the transputer family. ael     A guy of my lab used them a lot for parallel computing, in

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/06/2018 à 11:31, KatolaZ a écrit : On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:17:51AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 21/06/2018 à 09:12, Jaromil a écrit : dear Adam, On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: x86 on the other hand has variable size of opcodes, 1 to 15 bytes. This, by the way, is the

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread ael
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 09:37:26AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > It is time for true excellence again. It was on offer for several years, but too few understood: the transputer family. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/06/2018 à 09:37, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : From what I learned and read over the years, just about any other CPU architecture other than than x86 is both conceptually and technically more sound than x86. I started with C-64 (6510) and Amiga (68000 up to 68060, then PowerPC) computers.

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:17:51AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 21/06/2018 à 09:12, Jaromil a écrit : > > dear Adam, > > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > > x86 on the other hand has variable size of opcodes, 1 to 15 bytes. > > > This, by the way, is the biggest flaw of x86

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/06/2018 à 09:12, Jaromil a écrit : dear Adam, On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: x86 on the other hand has variable size of opcodes, 1 to 15 bytes. This, by the way, is the biggest flaw of x86 instruction set: the rules to split code into opcodes are extremely hairy, requiring

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
Il giorno Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:11:50 -0700 Rick Moen ha scritto: > Quoting terryc (ter...@woa.com.au): > >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:16:28 -0400 >> Steve Litt wrote: >> >>> There was a discussion of whether to retain 32 bit, and that brought >>> up another question in my mind: When will we have

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/06/2018 à 08:51, Rick Moen a écrit : My bit of snark was marred by omitting the URL (drat): Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): They're time wasters for folks like you with the intelligence and Linux knowledge to do a chroot install. I have a little less than the requisite

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-21 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 at 08:41:18 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > I think you probably missed the point here. believe it or not, there > are genuinely thousands of people who use i686 images because they > happen to have i686 machines. The percentage of those in Devuan is not > that different from the

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Dear Adam, dear Jaromil, dear listeners, Jaromil - 21.06.18, 09:12: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: > > x86 on the other hand has variable size of opcodes, 1 to 15 bytes. > > This, by the way, is the biggest flaw of x86 instruction set: the > > rules to split code into opcodes are

Re: [DNG] When 128?

2018-06-21 Thread Jaromil
dear Adam, On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: > x86 on the other hand has variable size of opcodes, 1 to 15 bytes. > This, by the way, is the biggest flaw of x86 instruction set: the > rules to split code into opcodes are extremely hairy, requiring all > the decoding work to be done twice

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-21 Thread Jaromil
dear Katolaz On Thu, 21 Jun 2018, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:58:56PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > > I think you missed the point. > > > > All I’m suggesting is that on the download page there are the > > AMD64 images first, then a note giving very basic suggestions not > > to

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Rick Moen
My bit of snark was marred by omitting the URL (drat): > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > They're time wasters for folks like you with the intelligence and Linux > > knowledge to do a chroot install. I have a little less than the > > requisite intelligence and Linux

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > They're time wasters for folks like you with the intelligence and Linux > knowledge to do a chroot install. I have a little less than the > requisite intelligence and Linux knowledge, so for me, having to trial > and error installer programs a

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

2018-06-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:58:56PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > KatolaZ wrote: > > >>> Of course they are, it's all over the Internet. > >> > >> Being pedantic, that’s not the same - and you **should** know that. > >> IMO there’s a choice to be made - do we (collectively) want to be > >>

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 06:52:48 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I do not use debootstrap for educational purposes but to bypass > installer misbehaviour.For instance, I remember using it when the > installer obstinately wanted to force me to use LVM (Logical Volume > Management). This happened both

Re: [DNG] ASCII installation static IP problem

2018-06-21 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:18:06PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > >> However surprising to any of you, this is my testimony. A statically > >> configured interface present in /etc/network/interfaces was ignored > >> **as installed by Devuan ASCII.iso**. Removing wicd fixed