Re: [DNG] Way forward
Quoting Ismael L. Donis Garcia (sli...@natio.co.cu): > 100% according to you. Please join us, let's not be separated by > this incident. > > I wholeheartedly ask CenturionDan and KatolaZ to return to the > project, to work together for what we love, it is normal that there > are different ways of thinking among us, but that should not take us > off the path of this beautiful project. You speak wisdom, sir. (Usted habla sabiduría, señor.) I hope to see both Dan and Enzo/KatolaZ on this coming Wednesday's Devuan Project Jitsi conference -- either being richly worth greeting as valued friends, but both would be best. As a certain UK faction say, 'Stronger together.' ;-> Or, as you might put it, '¡Larga vida al software libre!' (Neighbourly greetings from Estados Unidos de America.) -- Cheers, "I am a member of a civilization (IAAMOAC). Step back Rick Moenfrom anger. Study how awful our ancestors had it, yet r...@linuxmafia.com they struggled to get you here. Repay them by appreciating McQ! (4x80) the civilization you inherited." -- David Brin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward
- Original Message - From: "Massimo Coppola" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] Way forward On 13/04/2019 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 07:52:47 +0200 From: aitor_czr To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] Way forward Message-ID: <9d61bc90-2983-7f77-9f71-afa0c1583...@gnuinos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" On 12/4/19 23:20, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: So you only have to endure me another 18 days. 0 days, in my case, because I won't waste more time reading your messages. Good luck :) Aitor. > -- Dear all, I am a Devuan fan and one of the DNG lurkers since a lot. I never did anything more than trying a couple of (very smooth) test installs, but I still follow the list and hope to become a more active supporter in the future. Although I personally disagree with the current attitude of Daniel (CenturionDan), at least judging from his recent emails to the DNG list, I don't see the problem he mentions as bogus. It's quite clear now that there was a disagreement between the caretakers about the April Fool's incident. As I see it, there's nothing to rejoice in having two caretakers leaving the project because of how the post-incident was managed and the harsh exchanges of comments that followed the joke. I strongly suggest that all the other people in devuan (I'll try to do the same) do not engage in another competition of being childish and bullying each other around. (Aitor, I respect you too for your past contributions, but I do believe there's no point in merely taking sides now). In my opinion Devuan is still a small community with a large task to accomplish, and splits and divisions are a loss for the community and the open source in general. While everybody is obviously free to leave if the realizes he does not share the same goal as the rest of the project, we are still facing a crisis. I thus believe that we should win over people who supported devuan in the past, not fight with them. As far as I can see, if we don't do this the only winner is the troll party. Best Regards Massimo 100% according to you. Please join us, let's not be separated by this incident. I wholeheartedly ask CenturionDan and KatolaZ to return to the project, to work together for what we love, it is normal that there are different ways of thinking among us, but that should not take us off the path of this beautiful project. Best Regards -- Ismael Devuan User: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward
> >Dear all, I am a Devuan fan and one of the DNG lurkers > >In my opinion Devuan is still a small community with a large task to >accomplish, >and splits and divisions are a loss for the community and the open >source in >general. While everybody is obviously free to leave if he realizes he >does not >share the same goal as the rest of the project, we are still facing a >crisis. I >thus believe that we should win over people who supported devuan in the >past, >not fight with them. As far as I can see, if we don't do this the only >winner is >the troll party. > >Best Regards > > Massimo > >-- >^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ >massimo.copp...@isti.cnr.it+39 (050) 3152992 - mobile +39 348 >3962622 >HPC Laboratory - ISTI "A.Faedo" - CNR >http://hpc.isti.cnr.it/ >(Room C33) via G. Moruzzi 1, 56124 Pisa, Italy (alt: >copp...@di.unipi.it) >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng +1 keep your sang-froid evbdy because the only thing that matter is to carry on forward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward
On 13/04/2019 12:00, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 07:52:47 +0200 From: aitor_czr To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] Way forward Message-ID: <9d61bc90-2983-7f77-9f71-afa0c1583...@gnuinos.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" On 12/4/19 23:20, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: So you only have to endure me another 18 days. 0 days, in my case, because I won't waste more time reading your messages. Good luck :) Aitor. > -- Dear all, I am a Devuan fan and one of the DNG lurkers since a lot. I never did anything more than trying a couple of (very smooth) test installs, but I still follow the list and hope to become a more active supporter in the future. Although I personally disagree with the current attitude of Daniel (CenturionDan), at least judging from his recent emails to the DNG list, I don't see the problem he mentions as bogus. It's quite clear now that there was a disagreement between the caretakers about the April Fool's incident. As I see it, there's nothing to rejoice in having two caretakers leaving the project because of how the post-incident was managed and the harsh exchanges of comments that followed the joke. I strongly suggest that all the other people in devuan (I'll try to do the same) do not engage in another competition of being childish and bullying each other around. (Aitor, I respect you too for your past contributions, but I do believe there's no point in merely taking sides now). In my opinion Devuan is still a small community with a large task to accomplish, and splits and divisions are a loss for the community and the open source in general. While everybody is obviously free to leave if the realizes he does not share the same goal as the rest of the project, we are still facing a crisis. I thus believe that we should win over people who supported devuan in the past, not fight with them. As far as I can see, if we don't do this the only winner is the troll party. Best Regards Massimo -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^ massimo.copp...@isti.cnr.it+39 (050) 3152992 - mobile +39 348 3962622 HPC Laboratory - ISTI "A.Faedo" - CNRhttp://hpc.isti.cnr.it/ (Room C33) via G. Moruzzi 1, 56124 Pisa, Italy (alt: copp...@di.unipi.it) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to deploy an init.d script to Devuan 2.0 (ASCII)
On 11-04-19 11:29, Steffen Dettmer via Dng wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 6:54 PM Steffen Dettmer > wrote: >> /etc/rc2.d/S03ccucvm_startup_script >> >>(pointing to ../init.d/ccucvm_startup_script), >> >> [...] my script is not executed. > I investigated further and I noticed that there are hidden files > like "/etc/init.d/.depend-start" that seem to be used instead of > the rc?.d/S?? links. I'm still looking for its documentation, but > reading the script /etc/init.d/rc fortunately revealed a simple > workaround: > > touch /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering > > I have no clue why the main mechanism is defined in hidden files, > but I think it makes no sense to file a bug? > > Steffen For a better understanding of init scripts take a look at https://www.linuxnix.com/write-sysvinit-scripts/ Grtz. Nick signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How to deploy an init.d script to Devuan 2.0 (ASCII)
Le 11/04/2019 à 11:29, Steffen Dettmer via Dng a écrit : On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 6:54 PM Steffen Dettmer wrote: /etc/rc2.d/S03ccucvm_startup_script (pointing to ../init.d/ccucvm_startup_script), [...] my script is not executed. I investigated further and I noticed that there are hidden files like "/etc/init.d/.depend-start" that seem to be used instead of the rc?.d/S?? links. I'm still looking for its documentation, but reading the script /etc/init.d/rc fortunately revealed a simple workaround: touch /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering I have no clue why the main mechanism is defined in hidden files, but I think it makes no sense to file a bug? Hi Steffen. I didn't do this for a while, but, AFAIR, the method is the following: First write the dependencies in the form of comments at the top of your script. You can look how it is done in other init scripts as an inspiration. Then "install" your script using the command update-rc.d; it should create the symbolic links and take care of everything else necessary, if there is. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Way forward
Le 12/04/2019 à 17:24, Hendrik Boom a écrit : On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:41:53AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: On Friday 12 April 2019 at 00:53:40, Steve Litt wrote: I suggest we pass the following resolution: === At Devuan we prioritize benefits to individual users over benefits to corporations. Within the overarching umbrella of delivering sans-systemd GNU/Linux systems, we seek to make life fun for developers, caretakers, and all other contributors. === Do we want to emphasise purely "sans-systemd", or do we want to promote "freedom of init choice"? The problem with the phrase "freedom of init choice" is that it appears to say that one could choose systemd. We need to be clear that we are promoting freedom by providing alternatives to systemd, and that users that choose systemd can use Debian with our blessing. If I can add my 2 cents, I would say that the absenceof init choice is the emerged part of systemd. Systemd is not an init system, it is a massive threat to freedom all over the Linux OS. I think we all agree on this in the Devuan community, and this might be advertised. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
