Re: [DNG] I wrote IBM
On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:44:11 -0500 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2019-10-10 13:52, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > On 2019-10-10 13:49, Steve Litt wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:16:19 +1100 > >> Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > >> > >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >>> Hash: SHA256 > >>> > >>> Hi Steve, > >>> > >>> First off, I fully support your initiative. > >>> > >>> On 9/10/19 5:25 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > >>> > I can't give you proof, but I can give a strong piece of > >>> > evidence: > >>> > > >>> > http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/10/interview-with-red-hat-cto-brian.html > >>> > > >>> I think that is a very long bough you are drawing here; I wanted > >>> to see the proof and be able to use it to advantage in arguing > >>> for non systemd pollution of systems ... but it was quite weak. > >>> We need [and, > >>> I believe, already have much stronger arguments than that > >>> interview gave for sure. > >> > >> If we already have such stronger arguments, for gosh sakes please > >> reveal > >> them. It seems like most Geeks pick Occam's Razor over "Follow the > >> money" every time. > >> > >> SteveT > >> > > > > The fiddling continues while Rome burns . . . > > > > (golinux ducks and runs) > > Sorry to dredge this thread up again but this link arrived to my > inbox this morning. Sadly, I have no doubt that even this letter > will be ignored and business as usual will win the day: > > https://dissidentvoice.org/2019/10/bayer-shareholders-put-health-and-nature-first-and-stop-funding-this-company/ > > Just sayin' . . . > > golinux *You* have no doubt this letter will be ignored. There were people who had no doubt that the North American colonists could not get rid of the British, or that Gandhi and his followers couldn't kick out the British, or that slavery was forever, or that Apartheid would never be overthrown, or that the Soviet Union was forever. And our history books sing the praises of Washington, Gandhi, Lincoln, Mandella, and Reagan. But before the big name change-forcers, there were little people writing letters and organizing protests. These movements take time. If we start now, the solution will arrive too late, but earlier than if we start next year. The cigarette companies are all on the run in the United States. Back in 1980, I didn't think I'd live to see the day when they didn't pedal their dope with impunity. Then in 1986 I saw my first no-smoking Burger King. At that point I had been speaking to smokers in restaurants, one on one, for fifteen years, telling them what that cigarette they held right under my nose did to the taste of my meal (they never held it under their own noses, cigarette smokers back then were a smug and entitled bunch). Did Congress notice my little chats with smokers and pass a law? Not hardly likely. But I really think that other non-smokers saw what I did and copied it, and others copied them, and after a couple decades it added up. I can show you at least fifty messages from folks who had no doubt that systemd was a done deal, and later that some folks called the VUAs were bluffing blowhards who could never stand up to the $23 billion Red Hat juggernaut. And yet here we are, and we are not alone. In the 1990's into the very early 2000's, everyone who was anyone had no doubt that Free Software could not survive in the Microsoft-monopolized software universe. "C'mon Steve, you get what you pay for: Linux is just a toy for geeks and socialists. A homogeneous software environment is the best, and we've standardized on Microsoft. Get over it." But we wrote letters, we spoke at Microsoft-centric computer clubs, we passed out flyers and free Linux CDs, we wrote articles, we talked it up, and today the majority of our technological backbone is built on Free Software. "No doubt" is a risky position to hold. I'll finish this email with something my Grandfather told my Dad when my Dad was a wee little teenager: "Son, some day you'll be in a bar, a guy will sit next to you and try to bet you ten bucks that the jack of spades will jump out of the deck in his hand, urinate in your ear, and jump back into the deck. Son, don't take that bet, or you'll be out ten bucks and have an ear full of urine." SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installation difficulties
On 2019-10-22 01:08, Eric Pozharski wrote: On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 04:32:59PM +0200, Stefan Krusche wrote: Am Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2019 schrieb Robert Parker via Dng: Do questions about problems installing devuan get answered on this list? I don't know why, but your mail which claims to be sent on October 16th arrived on the list (actually meaning I got them from the list) only yesterday (20th). Same with your other mail from Oct 14th. Maybe that's why you were experiencing a kind of silence from this list? Quoting headers of first mail this thread: Received: from tupac3.dyne.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8CEF60BA8; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 00:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="hhPKFLcy"; dkim-atps=neutral X-Original-To: dng@lists.dyne.org Delivered-To: dng@lists.dyne.org Received: from mail-oi1-f182.google.com (mail-oi1-f182.google.com [209.85.167.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B38A9F60C9A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:43:05 +0200 (CEST) The delay is no mystery. This is a moderated list for new users and I don't check it every day. End of story. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 61, Issue 25
Again, yes. When someone completes that task. On 2019-10-22 06:38, . via Dng wrote: Any chance of an embedded release for the Raspberry Pi 4B? (The 64-bit raspi3 image fails to boot on the 4B.) On 10/22/19 6:00 AM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: The Devuan ASCII 2.1 point release has begun. The installer isos, desktop-live and minimal-live isos are currently available for download here: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/ Other images will be uploaded as they are ready. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII point release
On 2019-10-22 01:46, Joril via Dng wrote: On 22/10/19 06:00, . fsmithred via Dng wrote: The Devuan ASCII 2.1 point release has begun. The installer isos, desktop-live and minimal-live isos are currently available for download here: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/ Other images will be uploaded as they are ready. Great news! :) Will there be a torrent too? ___ Yes, eventually when someone decides to build it. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII point release
On October 21, 2019 11:00:01 PM CDT, ". fsmithred via Dng" wrote: :: The Devuan ASCII 2.1 point release has begun. The installer isos, :: desktop-live and minimal-live isos are currently available for :: download here: :: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/ :: Other images will be uploaded as they are ready. :: :: - The option to choose openrc is more prominent and no longer :: requires :: an Expert install. You can't miss it. :: :: - If you would like to select an alternate bootloader (lilo) or :: exclude non-free firmware, you must select one of the Expert install :: options. :: :: - The recommended default mirror is now deb.devuan.org. If you would :: like to use a country code mirror, please check :: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt to see if there is one :: suitable for your needs. :: :: There is more information in the Release Notes: :: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt :: ___ :: Dng mailing list :: Dng@lists.dyne.org :: https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Thank you! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 61, Issue 25
Any chance of an embedded release for the Raspberry Pi 4B? (The 64-bit raspi3 image fails to boot on the 4B.) On 10/22/19 6:00 AM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > The Devuan ASCII 2.1 point release has begun. The installer isos, > desktop-live and minimal-live isos are currently available for > download here: > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/ > Other images will be uploaded as they are ready. -- -Robert Montante, Ph.D., Network+, A+ Department of Mathematical and Digital Sciences Bloomsburg Universitymontcs.bloomu.edu/~bobmon/ Bloomsburg, PA 17815prof.montante AT gmail DOT com phone: 570-389-4624 bobmon AT bloomu DOT edu -- Proud to be a MAD Scientist! pEpkey.asc Description: application/pgp-keys ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII point release
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 08:46:47 +0200 Joril via Dng wrote: > On 22/10/19 06:00, . fsmithred via Dng wrote: > > The Devuan ASCII 2.1 point release has begun. The installer isos, > > desktop-live and minimal-live isos are currently available for > > download here: > > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/ > > Other images will be uploaded as they are ready. > > > Great news! :) Will there be a torrent too? Hopefully torrents, plural. For 2.0 I'm hosting a 987Mb AMD64 live iso image, 2.1Gb image date 2019-03-28 and a humungous 21.3Gb "devuan ascii" which says it contains; desktop-live embedded, installer-iso, minimal-live and virtual. My 2c is offering each of the above as seperate torrents might better serve the purpose of maximising distribution and encouraging people to keep them current by using the minal installation then update/upgrade. > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Installation difficulties
On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 04:32:59PM +0200, Stefan Krusche wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 16. Oktober 2019 schrieb Robert Parker via Dng: >> Do questions about problems installing devuan get answered on this >> list? > I don't know why, but your mail which claims to be sent on October > 16th arrived on the list (actually meaning I got them from the list) > only yesterday (20th). Same with your other mail from Oct 14th. > Maybe that's why you were experiencing a kind of silence from this > list? Quoting headers of first mail this thread: Received: from tupac3.dyne.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8CEF60BA8; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 00:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: vm6.ganeti.dyne.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="hhPKFLcy"; dkim-atps=neutral X-Original-To: dng@lists.dyne.org Delivered-To: dng@lists.dyne.org Received: from mail-oi1-f182.google.com (mail-oi1-f182.google.com [209.85.167.182]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vm6.ganeti.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B38A9F60C9A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:43:05 +0200 (CEST) -- Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII point release
On 22/10/19 06:00, . fsmithred via Dng wrote: The Devuan ASCII 2.1 point release has begun. The installer isos, desktop-live and minimal-live isos are currently available for download here: http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/ Other images will be uploaded as they are ready. Great news! :) Will there be a torrent too? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
