[DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
This is a hardware question. Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed devuan onto? How difficult was it? Thank You In Advance. The long story; I finally have a need to purchase my own personal laptop and have spent the last few days searching for such a beastie that I can order. I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously running Devuan is preferable. Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). Note, also having great difficulty finding out how to order such a beastie from the major global brands. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Current state of VPN software ?
Simon Hobson wrote on 9/4/20 6:14 am: > It's been a while since I last did anything with VPNs on Linux, and I recall > there being 3 options, some of which were "less well supported" than others. > I'm looking to setup a site-site tunnel so I can remotely access stuff at > mum's (she's in isolation because of this Covid 19 stuff) and using remote > desktop control, connect her Mac to a video call. > > So what's the state of play in the VPN on Linux world - both ends would be > running Devuan (one end an AMD64 VM, the other end rPi) ? Last thing I used > was OpenVPN which AIUI is completely non-interoperable with anything else, > while FreeSwan and OpenSwan were having a bun fight. For the Devuan infrastructure we do "virtual cabling" bmo "udptap" which is available in experimental. It's similar to all else with, in my eyes, a couple of advantages. The source project includes an openbsd branch which looks good even if it's more or less untested. However, for a one-off virtual cabling I would use "ssh -w"; as I remember that works fine also on a mac (though I do remember there were some hurdles with tun/tap). Ralph. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Current state of VPN software ?
This is not what you asked for, but I'll put it in anyway. I use vpn appliance distro's for my clients. I either use OPNSense (powerful, more difficult to configure) or IPFire (still pretty good, but simple to configure). I just download the software, install on a device, then configure. Been doing it for a while so it usually only takes me an hour or so from boot to done. I like "appliance distro's" for some things, simply for efficiency. I have some "howto's" on kb.unixservertech.com, or feel free to contact me offline if you choose to go this route and need some help. Rod On 4/8/20 3:14 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > It's been a while since I last did anything with VPNs on Linux, and I recall > there being 3 options, some of which were "less well supported" than others. > I'm looking to setup a site-site tunnel so I can remotely access stuff at > mum's (she's in isolation because of this Covid 19 stuff) and using remote > desktop control, connect her Mac to a video call. > > So what's the state of play in the VPN on Linux world - both ends would be > running Devuan (one end an AMD64 VM, the other end rPi) ? Last thing I used > was OpenVPN which AIUI is completely non-interoperable with anything else, > while FreeSwan and OpenSwan were having a bun fight. > > Simon > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 US http://dailydata.net 214.827.2170 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:07:56 +0200 Raul Claro wrote: > is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with > Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan? The ones I have come in contact > with. such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with > Windows or Mac and Chrome. > > Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems? As an aside, gab.com has been working on its own alternative, but they haven't released any details (or source code) and I wouldn't be surprised if it became a paid service for significant use. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Current state of VPN software ?
On 08/04/2020 21:21, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Wed, 8 Apr 21:14:05 +0100 > Simon Hobson scripsit: >> It's been a while since I last did anything with VPNs on Linux, and I recall >> there being 3 options, some of which were "less well supported" than others. >> I'm looking to setup a site-site tunnel so I can remotely access stuff at >> mum's (she's in isolation because of this Covid 19 stuff) and using remote >> desktop control, connect her Mac to a video call. >> Likewise it has been a while for me too since I last looked at VPN, the value of the comments in this email match what you paid for them. >> So what's the state of play in the VPN on Linux world - both ends would be >> running Devuan (one end an AMD64 VM, the other end rPi) ? Last thing I used >> was OpenVPN which AIUI is completely non-interoperable with anything else, >> while FreeSwan and OpenSwan were having a bun fight. > > vpn easiest way: sshuttle > otherwise just use ssh + vnc (on the mac) > > nik Seconded. Unless permanently connecting two separate offices (multiple hosts both ends) I found the aggravation of setting up a VPN just not worth the effort. I find I can do everything needed over ssh, even installing and running x11vnc on the remote (Linux) host to take control of the desktop so I never bothered with RDC\RDP applications. A jumphost set up at the remote end can sometimes make life easier. > >> >> Simon >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Current state of VPN software ?
On 4/8/20 1:14 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: > It's been a while since I last did anything with VPNs on Linux, and I recall > there being 3 options, some of which were "less well supported" than others. > I'm looking to setup a site-site tunnel so I can remotely access stuff at > mum's (she's in isolation because of this Covid 19 stuff) and using remote > desktop control, connect her Mac to a video call. > > So what's the state of play in the VPN on Linux world - both ends would be > running Devuan (one end an AMD64 VM, the other end rPi) ? Last thing I used > was OpenVPN which AIUI is completely non-interoperable with anything else, > while FreeSwan and OpenSwan were having a bun fight. Good timing! WireGuard is in the kernel and version 1.0.0 has been released. Devuan doesn't provide a package yet, but it is pretty easy to build and install from source. I've been running it for months, replacing OpenVPN Tunnels. WireGuard is much faster, and I found it easier to configure and debug. As I understand it, FreeSwan is defunct. but OpenSwan is around. Can't comment on it, as I haven't used IPSEC VPNs > > Simon -Richard ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Current state of VPN software ?
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > vpn easiest way: sshuttle > otherwise just use ssh + vnc (on the mac) Thanks - but not really what I'm looking for. Well something I could do today (or at least, as soon as I pop round to put the Pi in place) is to use SSH and tunnel a local port to the remote machine. Done that lots of times in the past. I'd rather route the subnets through a tunnel - there's other uses I have for it as well. Plus, it's just sooo much more convenient to have routed IP. VNC not needed, Macs have had an inbuilt screen sharing (based on VNC I think) for a long time now. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Current state of VPN software ?
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 8 Apr 21:14:05 +0100 Simon Hobson scripsit: > It's been a while since I last did anything with VPNs on Linux, and I recall > there being 3 options, some of which were "less well supported" than others. > I'm looking to setup a site-site tunnel so I can remotely access stuff at > mum's (she's in isolation because of this Covid 19 stuff) and using remote > desktop control, connect her Mac to a video call. > > So what's the state of play in the VPN on Linux world - both ends would be > running Devuan (one end an AMD64 VM, the other end rPi) ? Last thing I used > was OpenVPN which AIUI is completely non-interoperable with anything else, > while FreeSwan and OpenSwan were having a bun fight. vpn easiest way: sshuttle otherwise just use ssh + vnc (on the mac) nik > > Simon > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Current state of VPN software ?
It's been a while since I last did anything with VPNs on Linux, and I recall there being 3 options, some of which were "less well supported" than others. I'm looking to setup a site-site tunnel so I can remotely access stuff at mum's (she's in isolation because of this Covid 19 stuff) and using remote desktop control, connect her Mac to a video call. So what's the state of play in the VPN on Linux world - both ends would be running Devuan (one end an AMD64 VM, the other end rPi) ? Last thing I used was OpenVPN which AIUI is completely non-interoperable with anything else, while FreeSwan and OpenSwan were having a bun fight. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 11:34:19 +0300 Dimitris via Dng wrote: > On 4/7/20 5:17 PM, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > OMG how can you agree with Dal and then go on to suggest the use of > > something cloud based and written in Java ? > > jitsi can be installed anywhere. https://meet.jit.si is cloud based in > europe dcs, run by jitsi devs, yes. but you don't have to use that, > there are hundrends of other public jitsi meet instances (random > list : > https://fediverse.blog/~/DonsBlog/videochat-server?responding_to=745) > and of course you can host your own. > > zoom is also cloud based proprietary thing, based in the us... so not > a good thing having our calls stored in some nsa dc in gafamville, > usa... also misleading ads, privacy concers, data sellout.. how's > that any different than skype? > > random link : > https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/04/security_and_pr_1.html > > I think it's pretty horrible for Jitsi to flat out block every other browser than Chrome or Firefox. any time I go to a Jitsi server it just gives me a blank blue page saying this: It looks like your using a browser we don't support. Please try again with the latest version of Chrome and Firefox I have been through the browser wars of the 90s and I sure as hell am not ready for browser war 2.0 Do we need to bring back the anybrowser.org buttons? -- / This fortune soaks up 47 times its own \ \ weight in excess memory. / \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?
On 4/7/20 5:17 PM, g4sra via Dng wrote: > OMG how can you agree with Dal and then go on to suggest the use of something > cloud based and written in Java ? jitsi can be installed anywhere. https://meet.jit.si is cloud based in europe dcs, run by jitsi devs, yes. but you don't have to use that, there are hundrends of other public jitsi meet instances (random list : https://fediverse.blog/~/DonsBlog/videochat-server?responding_to=745) and of course you can host your own. zoom is also cloud based proprietary thing, based in the us... so not a good thing having our calls stored in some nsa dc in gafamville, usa... also misleading ads, privacy concers, data sellout.. how's that any different than skype? random link : https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2020/04/security_and_pr_1.html signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
