Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 15:46 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email. > > If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized > because of guilt by association, then it's not much of a stretch to > believe that you will suffer the same fate if you defend him. And then > any who defends *you* will suffer the same fate, ad infinitum. This exactly how a "climate of fear" works. Anyone who has looked three seconds at the Cultural Revolution or any of the other descents into madness of the 20th Century knows exactly what is going on here. Time to sack up people. If we can't find the will to defend RICHARD F*CKING STALLMAN, we won't defend anyone. One by one we will all be singled out for destruction. This attitude above sounds like the mewling sounds Republicans have made for decades, ever retreating because it is never "the hill to die on" as the revolution marches over their former "inviolate" position and National Review reverses course and assigns someone to pen "The Conservative case for X." This isn't actually about RMS, it is just the usual SJWs marching ever onward, seizing resources and key nodes in the social order. The FSF is the prize they seek, both to loot it and because it is a choke point to take and hold. Same reason they seized Debian. Ever wondered why Debian went from a model of enlightenment and civility to what it is now? It wasn't systemd, that was a symptom. It was infiltrated and seized by intolerant people who cared nothing for Debian or its culture, it was just another resource to seize as they moved through the software world, killing it and wearing its skin, then demanding respect due the original entity. They don't even care about RMS, he is just in their way. He won't repurpose the FSF into another culture war battlement, he will insist it remain focused on its original goal of software freedom. So he will be driven out. Apparently they won't even have to expend much effort because everyone is already too terrified to even say his name. RICHARD M. STALLMAN IS A GOOD MAN WHO HAS DONE MORE FOR CIVILIZATION THAN ALL OF HIS DETRACTORS COMBINED. FLAWS INCLUDED. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Default logins for ARM images?
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:30:45PM +0200, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote: > I'm looking at an ARM image for Beowulf, but cannot find where the > default password is annotated. It's not on either of these pages: > > https://arm-files.devuan.org/ > https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan > > And no README file seems to be present. What is the default > user/password for those images? I also am unable to find where this is documented. If memory serves though, the user is root, and the password is toor (root backwards). Try if that works. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Default logins for ARM images?
I'm looking at an ARM image for Beowulf, but cannot find where the default password is annotated. It's not on either of these pages: https://arm-files.devuan.org/ https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan And no README file seems to be present. What is the default user/password for those images? /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
dLe 26/03/2021 à 13:07, Alessandro Vesely via Dng a écrit : > Hi All, > > Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: > https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 Same thing happens on the GCC mailing list. A developper, Nathan Sidwell, asks to ban RMS from the steering commitee. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
Hi, On 3/26/21 1:07 PM, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 It is disgusting. On the GNUstep Mailing list after a post by Richard himself, some people voiced to fork away from GNU, A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU. https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web I can only stand with this letter. Those "activist" violate almost every rule in their attacks. They are hypocrites who hide under the term of freedom and don't accept freedom of speech, if it is not "their speech". But I make a step back and do a further comment: I want politics out of free software. Free Software is (for me) free access to technology, liberation from hegemony of monopolies. Of course it can clash with politics if that tries to "limit" technology (see all these defenses into spying, content publishing, censorship). But it should not tell people hat to hate or what not to say: it should concentrate on code, technology and access to it. Remember how many voices there were back then against "evil Microsoft" and IE6? But how many raise their voices today against Chrome? Two weights, two measures. Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
Hi, On 3/26/21 6:49 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Next step is trying to ban opponents to systemd ? I wouldn't joke about that too much :) Riccardo ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
On 2021-03-26 15:00, Steve Litt wrote: goli...@devuan.org said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:47:59 -0500 Steve Litt and I were threatened with a ban on the debian-user mail list for our anti-systemd opinions in 2014! Actually, he may have gotten hammered. Can't quite remember . . . golinux Yeah, I was banned from posting to debian-user, in October or November of 2014, by that bastion of debianism and proud systemd vote caster Don Armstrong. As far as I know, my ban is still in effect. And just so I'm not accused of libel, the following is the link to Armstrong's assertion that he voted for systemd: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01367.html For interesting reading, read the link in Armstrong's post (warning, big file), read Armstrong's explanation of his vote, and then go to the top of the file to understand just how bogus the process leading up to the vote really was. SteveT This is by far the best analysis of how the first GR vote went down: Combatting revisionist history http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20=120652 golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
Le 26/03/2021 à 19:01, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit : > You can bet on that. But social networks are just the beginning. Social networks, like cell phone, meets a very old need of humans: the need to keep contact with the tribe. But it facilitates in the same time the very old trends to spread rumors and to harass in pack. I have never adhered to any social network for other reasons and I realized a few years ago there are good reasons to keep out. Le 26/03/2021 à 20:46, Steve Litt a écrit : > I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email. > If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized > because of guilt by association, then it's not much of a stretch to > believe that you will suffer the same fate if you defend him. And then > any who defends *you* will suffer the same fate, ad infinitum. > Very wise advice Steve. Anyway it is probably useless to discuss with the harassers. Just hope the voters won't be influenced. -- Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
goli...@devuan.org said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:47:59 -0500 >Steve Litt and I were threatened with a ban on the debian-user mail >list for our anti-systemd opinions in 2014! Actually, he may have >gotten hammered. Can't quite remember . . . > >golinux Yeah, I was banned from posting to debian-user, in October or November of 2014, by that bastion of debianism and proud systemd vote caster Don Armstrong. As far as I know, my ban is still in effect. And just so I'm not accused of libel, the following is the link to Armstrong's assertion that he voted for systemd: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01367.html For interesting reading, read the link in Armstrong's post (warning, big file), read Armstrong's explanation of his vote, and then go to the top of the file to understand just how bogus the process leading up to the vote really was. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
Alessandro Vesely via Dng said on Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:07:08 +0100 >Hi All, > >Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: >https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 > >Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? >I'd propose to sign this one instead: >https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ I'd suggest nobody sign anything, and nobody respond to this email. If you believe that Stallman was removed, shunned and criticized because of guilt by association, then it's not much of a stretch to believe that you will suffer the same fate if you defend him. And then any who defends *you* will suffer the same fate, ad infinitum. Before you sign anything or do anything, ask yourself if this is of top importance to you. Are you willing to risk your career, your position in your community, perhaps the positions of your family, to defend Richard Stallman? Unless the answer is an unmitigated "yes", I'd advise you to stay as far from this issue as you can. My response in no way implies my (very private) position on Stallman. I'm just pointing out that unless you're willing to pay the freight, and the payment may be a costly and may be immediate or delayed for years, getting involved "for the principle of the thing" may cause you later regret. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Chimaera upgrade
Florian Zieboll via Dng said on Thu, 25 Mar 2021 21:56:09 +0100 >The upgrade of my still libsystemd-free desktop PC from Ascii to >Chimaera ~2 weeks ago went so smooth * * \ o / \|/ | C O O L / \ _ / \/ / - You guys do good work! SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:01:47 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Anno domini 2021 Fri, 26 Mar 18:49:23 +0100 > Didier Kryn scripsit: > > We are supposedly all here in favour of software freedom and > > freedom in general, which includes freedom of opinions. > > > > It seems we have entered a new era of inquisition, with the > > great inquisitor being the social networks. Are we still free to > > express personal opinion without the risk of being banned ? > > > > Next step is trying to ban opponents to systemd ? > > You can bet on that. But social networks are just the beginning. Wait > for the uploadfilters in EU. It's already begun. May I suggest to omit that dirty foretelling? Did you know, that where the eyes go, the body follows? [1] And why (the heck!) gets a deer hit by the car at night? [2] FUD is a bad mentor, so please stop spreading it. Told you so :-) Libre Grüße, Florian [1] e.g. https://wiki.c2.com/?BodyFollowsEyes [2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deer_in_the_headlights ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
On 2021-03-26 13:26, Florian Zieboll via Dng wrote: On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:07:08 +0100 Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: Hi All, Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: Yesterday's mistfits -> today's opressors: A warm welcome to autismophobia! I hope we (as humanity) get this resolved, before the tide turns again to hit the schizophrenic - still wondering, how any reasonably sensible person can expect a violent regime change to ever result in a peaceful society (aka "civilization"). Think Rome and thumbs up or thumbs down. Violence escalates when political systems enter their EOL phase (and they all get there). It doesn't help that we keep breeding like cockroaches. Numbers stress the system. We are setting ourselves up for a mass extinction event. Can't happen to soon for me. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
On 2021-03-26 13:01, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: Anno domini 2021 Fri, 26 Mar 18:49:23 +0100 Didier Kryn scripsit: We are supposedly all here in favour of software freedom and freedom in general, which includes freedom of opinions. It seems we have entered a new era of inquisition, with the great inquisitor being the social networks. Are we still free to express personal opinion without the risk of being banned ? Next step is trying to ban opponents to systemd ? You can bet on that. But social networks are just the beginning. Wait for the uploadfilters in EU. It's already begun. Nik Steve Litt and I were threatened with a ban on the debian-user mail list for our anti-systemd opinions in 2014! Actually, he may have gotten hammered. Can't quite remember . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:07:08 +0100 Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > Hi All, > > Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: Yesterday's mistfits -> today's opressors: A warm welcome to autismophobia! I hope we (as humanity) get this resolved, before the tide turns again to hit the schizophrenic - still wondering, how any reasonably sensible person can expect a violent regime change to ever result in a peaceful society (aka "civilization"). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
Anno domini 2021 Fri, 26 Mar 18:49:23 +0100 Didier Kryn scripsit: > We are supposedly all here in favour of software freedom and freedom > in general, which includes freedom of opinions. > > It seems we have entered a new era of inquisition, with the great > inquisitor being the social networks. Are we still free to express > personal opinion without the risk of being banned ? > > Next step is trying to ban opponents to systemd ? You can bet on that. But social networks are just the beginning. Wait for the uploadfilters in EU. It's already begun. Nik > > -- Didier > > > > > > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
We are supposedly all here in favour of software freedom and freedom in general, which includes freedom of opinions. It seems we have entered a new era of inquisition, with the great inquisitor being the social networks. Are we still free to express personal opinion without the risk of being banned ? Next step is trying to ban opponents to systemd ? -- Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Subscription results
On 2021-03-26 08:59, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote: I am trying to subscribe a different account so I can unsubscribe this one. However, when submitting the new address to the web form [1], I get the following error and apparently no action towards subscription: Dng Subscription results Invalid captcha: invalid-input-response Regards, Lars [1] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe/dng Oh no! I thought we had this fixed. I see you have tried to post from a different address and it is in moderation. But if I release it, you will not be able to respond from that address. So I will forward this email to the mail server folks and hopefully they can straighten it out. Nothing good ever comes from a captcha imo. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Subscription results
Lars Noodén via Dng wrote: > I am trying to subscribe a different account so I can unsubscribe this > one. However, when submitting the new address to the web form [1], I > get the following error and apparently no action towards subscription: > > Dng Subscription results > Invalid captcha: invalid-input-response > Things to check: - browser plugins (especially ones like requestpolicy, noscript, adblock) - network/dns settings (pihole, /etc/hosts) I frequently have this issue, but it's due to my browser plugins. I do not allow access to google.com by default, only on "special occasions" (captcha). If you dont'see the "I'm not a robot" checkbox, something is preventing your browser from reaching google.com Hope this helps. I did very recently go through and change my own email address on this list, but I did it a different way. Rather than adding a new address and removing the old, it is possible to replace the email address at https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/dng/yourcurrentemailaddress There should be a link in the original "Welcome to dng" email, if you've still got it. This welcome email will also contain the password you need to change your mailing list settings. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, March 26, 2021 12:26 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Friday 26 March 2021 at 13:07:08, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > > > Hi All, > > Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: <<--snip--> Quote from Debian's page "consider the harm that he has done to our community and others" Pot - kettle - black, Debian! publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Subscription results
Στις 26/3/21 3:59 μ.μ., ο/η Lars Noodén via Dng έγραψε: [1]https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe/dng the form[1] uses a (re)captcha. maybe you didn't complete the captcha, or have something like adblock on? for mailman it might also be possible to just send an email to dng-j...@lists.dyne.org d. [1] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Subscription results
On 3/26/21 4:10 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Friday 26 March 2021 at 14:59:26, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote: > >> I am trying to subscribe a different account so I can unsubscribe this >> one. However, when submitting the new address to the web form [1], I >> get the following error and apparently no action towards subscription: >> >> Dng Subscription results >> Invalid captcha: invalid-input-response > > Try a different browser? > > > Antony. > I have tried both Firefox and Chromium already. Thus the problem appears to lie with the registration. Regards, Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Subscription results
On Friday 26 March 2021 at 14:59:26, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote: > I am trying to subscribe a different account so I can unsubscribe this > one. However, when submitting the new address to the web form [1], I > get the following error and apparently no action towards subscription: > > Dng Subscription results > Invalid captcha: invalid-input-response Try a different browser? Antony. -- Neurotics build castles in the sky; Psychotics live in them; Psychiatrists collect the rent. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Dng Subscription results
I am trying to subscribe a different account so I can unsubscribe this one. However, when submitting the new address to the web form [1], I get the following error and apparently no action towards subscription: Dng Subscription results Invalid captcha: invalid-input-response Regards, Lars [1] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/subscribe/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf installation skipped networking. Quickest fix?
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:49:13 +1030 dva...@internode.on.net wrote: > My shiny new Beowulf 3.0.0 install on an Intel NUC skipped ethernet > stuff, perhaps because the ethernet cable wasn't inserted at the time? > > Now, I can start hacking /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts, > resolv.conf, > etc., but will that reveal so much missing that I'm better off doing > another > install with the LAN plugged in? Heck, are there kernel modules > missing? Have your tried juat rebooting with the ethernet cable plugged in? B ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf installation skipped networking. Quickest fix?
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:49:13 +1030 dva...@internode.on.net wrote: > My shiny new Beowulf 3.0.0 install on an Intel NUC skipped ethernet > stuff, perhaps because the ethernet cable wasn't inserted at the time? > > Now, I can start hacking /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hosts, > resolv.conf, > etc., but will that reveal so much missing that I'm better off doing > another > install with the LAN plugged in? Heck, are there kernel modules > missing? First, try running the Network section of tasksel (as root) with the ethernet cable plugged in. B ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights
On Friday 26 March 2021 at 13:07:08, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > Hi All, > > Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: > https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 > > Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? > I'd propose to sign this one instead: > https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ Personally I agree with the latter letter, and feel that the Debian resolution is an over-reaction, to put it mildly. The Debian project can choose not to recognise him or his ways of expressing his opinions if they wish, but I agree that he is still entitled to hold and express those opinions, and each person or organisation those opinions affect can decide for themselves whether to agree with him. > See also: > An orthodox analysis entitled Justice for Dr. Richard Matthew Stallman, > which recaps the whole story. > https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/ > > A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from civil-rights > expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU. > https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web I think that's too thoroughly-researched and competently written for the Debian Project Secretary to give it due consideration :( They don't want a reasoned debate - they want to tell people what to do. Antony. -- There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary notation, and those who don't. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] FSF and human rights
Hi All, Debian is engaging in a disgusting attack against RMS: https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 Does Devuan have resolutions to sign open letters? I'd propose to sign this one instead: https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ See also: An orthodox analysis entitled Justice for Dr. Richard Matthew Stallman, which recaps the whole story. https://jorgemorais.gitlab.io/justice-for-rms/ A post, written by Hannah Wolfman-Jones, with a response from civil-rights expert Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU. https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web Best Ale -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
