Re: [DNG] Viewing file content (was Re: system administration of non-systemd distros and releases)
Hi, wirelessduck--- via Dng writes: >> On 27 Nov 2021, at 14:24, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: >> >> Looking at the lesspipe manual page[1] (don't have less installed ;-), >> it seems that it doesn't support on-the-fly encoding switching but as >> far as dealing with compressed files, I guess there is no or not much >> difference. >> >> [1]: https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/less/lesspipe.1.en.html > > Ahh ok. I’ve never had to deal with alternate encodings. If I ever > needed that I would probably just alias less to lv, assuming the UI is > similar enough. Muscle memory is hard to overcome sometimes. ACK. First thing I do on Alpine and RPM distros is add an alias for pager to my ~/.profile. BTW, for those interested in or already using lv, you may want to add a .lv file with -c to make it work better with ANSI escape codes (lest they are mistaken for part of text in some encoding). Hope this helps. -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
goli...@devuan.org said on Sat, 27 Nov 2021 15:39:53 -0600 >Just have to repost this prescient rant about systemd from 2014. My >all time fav! >http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html Sounds like 2014 alright! That's just how I remember 2014 discussions sounding. The preceding link brings up so many excellent points I can't comment on anywhere near all of them, so I'll just pose one question that popped into my head while reading it: Did Redhat threaten or bestow benefits on Debian or its people, and if so, what are the details? If Debian had gone with runit or s6 or even OpenRC, Redhat would have lost, and Redhat knew it. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wanting to set up an email system
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 09:17:45 -0600 o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Greetings > > Started way back when when I got to the web full-time using webmail. > Haven't ever setup an email system and AIUI it is a system - - - > there are a lot of parts that have to work together to have > everything working well. > > A mentor, now deceased, recommended using Claws but even that's not > all that's needed for an email system. So - - - I'm looking for > recommendations on what and how to setup an email system. The why > you're using what you are is vitally important for me (as are my > security and privacy). > > Please > > TIA Two questions; what do you want to do with this system and whom do you expect to receive emails from. I've been using sendmail for over two decades+ siunce i found the program SMTP didn't have capacity to do filtering on incoming messages. I've stuck with it as it core package everywhere/on debian/on devuan. FWIw, Procmail wasnt there and didn't offer anything of benefit.YMMV. What I've basically always used is a basic standalone basic PC. It s easiest to get a domain and dns service for the domain, with MX record. I use portfowarding of 25 to the mazil-server on the router. Recommended is a firewall on the mail-server, or perhaps a better router firewall. My router gives priority on portforwarding over IP blocking, hence the need for firewall on the mail-server. there is class of spammer(growing) that door knocks and then chucks without waiting. It isn't a major problem for me atm, but being able to block cuts down network traffic. To me, setup of sendmail was just changing the receiving domain in the sendmail.mc file, which is very easy and getting the filtering rules set. then there is a bit of tuning to catch another class of spammers in the 'access' file. I use zen.spamhaus.org(catches ~90%) and bl.spamcop.net(catches ~5%) to filter all incoming mail. that is in the sendamil config file and the block certain domains ion the sendmail access file. YMMV, but google, gmail, hotmail, live, look, yahoo, etc jst get a "404 Send post for whitelisting". Basically any business that allows anyone to sign up for immediate access and send bulk spam usually gains an entry, especially if they do not respond to spam reports. Warning; there are block lists and there are block list. Before you signup for using any block list, make sure you understand what type of user/busines gets on it and there is a clear and actionable method for getting off it. there are some people/business that pedal block lists by scrapping other lists and then set stuff in stone. Sendmail also has an alias which you can use widely. create an alias entry for each and every forum/lists/shop/etc you want to RECEIVE email from. I currently have ~950 from the years. It is so easy to just block spam/viri/phishing/hack/etc by just #blocking/dropping the alias entry than getting entry off list. Hint use shortshopnamey...@yourdomain.com. The difficulty with aiias file is you can not send mail from the address. I use a pop server program on the mail-server to provide user access to receive email from the mail-server. IMO LDAP doesn't have clear concise setup instructions and seem way over top for a simple backup system. Which users can send & receive emails is defined on the mail-server access files. with the addition of receive only for alias file entry. Mine is only a simple domain server. What I do not do, or cater for are a multitude of users or multiple domains. YMMV. My early work amongst other stuff, was wrangling various proprietary GUI controlled mail servers before Linux and hence I love command line control and sendmail. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wanting to set up an email system
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 05:12:59AM +1000, onefang wrote: > If you mean email server as well as client, on the server side I picked > courier, coz it supplise most of the bits, which all work well together. > Every other email server solution means gleuing together various bits > from different developers. If you want to setup an e-mail server, be prepared to read documentation carefully, and do lots of web searching. With antispam measures like spf and dkim, the process is more complicated than when I started running my own server in 2002. I started out with qmail, and am on postfix for over ten years now. I chose postfix, because I find it easy to configure, feature rich, and because it supports sendmail milters. I did look at the courier package, but seem to vaguely recall it didn't provide all the features I wanted. I however use courier imap/pop3, and sqwebmail integrated with postfix. If all you're wanting is to move from webmail to an e-mail client, then I use fetchmail to grab mail from my server, standard mutt to read it in a text console, and postfix configured to send outgoing mail to my server as smarthost. I use those three packages because they work for me, and I haven't had the need to look for something else. Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) If we haven't been in touch before, e-mail me before adding me to your contacts. -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On 2021-11-27 18:27, tito via Dng wrote: On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 15:39:53 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: On 2021-11-27 15:00, Mark Rousell wrote: > On 25/11/2021 22:57, Steve Litt wrote: >> Like I said in 2014, >> they won't quit until the cat command requires systemd. > > They won't stop until SystemD is in the kernel, such that Linux > unavoidably is SystemD. > Just have to repost this prescient rant about systemd from 2014. My all time fav! Open letter to the Linux World From: Christopher Barry Date: Tue Aug 12 2014 - 15:35:49 EST http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html golinux Quod rectum erat, id solum bonum hominibus exstimabat Socrates. Tito Tito ... None of the translations I found made any sense. Please enlighten me/us. Thanks, golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 15:39:53 -0600 goli...@devuan.org wrote: > On 2021-11-27 15:00, Mark Rousell wrote: > > On 25/11/2021 22:57, Steve Litt wrote: > >> Like I said in 2014, > >> they won't quit until the cat command requires systemd. > > > > They won't stop until SystemD is in the kernel, such that Linux > > unavoidably is SystemD. > > > > Just have to repost this prescient rant about systemd from 2014. My all > time fav! > > Open letter to the Linux World > From: Christopher Barry > Date: Tue Aug 12 2014 - 15:35:49 EST > > http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html > > golinux Quod rectum erat, id solum bonum hominibus exstimabat Socrates. Tito ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On 2021-11-27 15:00, Mark Rousell wrote: On 25/11/2021 22:57, Steve Litt wrote: Like I said in 2014, they won't quit until the cat command requires systemd. They won't stop until SystemD is in the kernel, such that Linux unavoidably is SystemD. Just have to repost this prescient rant about systemd from 2014. My all time fav! Open letter to the Linux World From: Christopher Barry Date: Tue Aug 12 2014 - 15:35:49 EST http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On 25/11/2021 22:57, Steve Litt wrote: > Like I said in 2014, > they won't quit until the cat command requires systemd. They won't stop until SystemD is in the kernel, such that Linux unavoidably is SystemD. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On 26/11/2021 16:55, Peter Duffy wrote: > Maybe the problem with the car analogy is that it's only really > applicable to end-user computers - desktops and laptops. For servers, > the analogy would need to be extended to buses and HGVs. In those cases, > where many people rely on the availability and punctuality of the > vehicles, the drivers and pilots don't fix the problems themselves, and > also don't go back to the manufacturers to get problems fixed: the > companies which run the vehicles have teams of engineers who can strip > the thing down to components and reassemble it. I think this is a very useful and much improved metaphor. -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Report bugs
https://bugs.devuan.org/Reporting.html
remember that bugs in unforked packages (those that Devuan uses directly from
Debian) should usually be reported to Debian's BTS unless you think you have
found a Devuan specific problem.
Sometimes it is necessary to send a copy of a bug report to somewhere else
besides the mailing list and the package maintainer, which is where they are
normally sent.You could do this by CC'ing your bug report to the other
address(es), but then the other copies would not have the bug report number put
in the Reply-To field and the Subject line. When the recipients reply they will
probably preserve the sub...@bugs.devuan.org entry in the header and have their
message filed as a new bug report. This leads to many duplicated reports. The
right way to do this is to use the X-Debbugs-CC header. This will cause the bug
tracking system to send a copy of your report to the address(es) in the
X-Debbugs-CC line as well as to any mailing list.
In this case, Devuan's "dialog" version (1.3-20201126-1) is the Debian unforked
package, so it should be sent to Debian (view
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting ). Optionally you can CCed the upstream
author, although usually the package maintainer informs the upstream author.
Best regards.
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I have found a bug in dialog.
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Re: [DNG] Wanting to set up an email system
On 2021-11-27 09:17:45, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: >Greetings >Started way back when when I got to the web full-time using webmail. >Haven't ever setup an email system and AIUI it is a system - - - there are >a lot of parts that have to work together to have everything working >well. If you mean email server as well as client, on the server side I picked courier, coz it supplise most of the bits, which all work well together. Every other email server solution means gleuing together various bits from different developers. I use neomutt for my client, and fetchmail to gather email from all over. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Report bugs
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 19:14:25 +0100 viverna via Dng wrote: > I have found a bug in dialog. > How do I report a bug? Devuan, debian or to the author of the > software? Likely to the author. Two email addresses are listed here: https://invisible-island.net/dialog/#bugs ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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I have found a bug in dialog.
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Re: [DNG] Wanting to set up an email system
o1bigtenor via Dng said on Sat, 27 Nov 2021 09:17:45 -0600 >Greetings > >Started way back when when I got to the web full-time using webmail. >Haven't ever setup an email system and AIUI it is a system - - - there >are a lot of parts that have to work together to have everything >working well. > >A mentor, now deceased, recommended using Claws but even that's not all >that's needed for an email system. So - - - I'm looking for >recommendations on what and how to setup an email system. The why >you're using what you are is vitally important for me (as are my >security and privacy). If you mean an SMTP server, I don't know. If you mean a setup to receive and send email, carefully read the following URL: http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm Especially important is the block diagram labeled "Desktop Email Architecture: Procmail Handles Filters, Dovecot Handles Folders" Research the workings of all those blocks on the diagram. Setting up a system like this is not easy, but it makes your future life easy: * Dovecot frees your email client from storing messages. * Which means you can change email clients at will. * Dovecot can handle hundreds of thousands, probably millions of msgs. * Procmail filtering frees your email client from filtering. * Which means you can change email clients at will. * Fetchmail is an ancient program that "just works every time." - If you want a more modern one, maybe getmail. - Fetchmail's always worked for me. * Backing up your Dovecot IMAP server is just a simple dir tree backup. * To get expert help, Dovecot and Claws-Mail have mailing lists. Procmail and Fetchmail have man pages and documentation all over the web. * I've been using this setup for well over six years, and it's never screwed up on me, except once after a major Dovecot upgrade, and that was solved quickly using advice from the Dovecot mailing list. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Wanting to set up an email system
Greetings Started way back when when I got to the web full-time using webmail. Haven't ever setup an email system and AIUI it is a system - - - there are a lot of parts that have to work together to have everything working well. A mentor, now deceased, recommended using Claws but even that's not all that's needed for an email system. So - - - I'm looking for recommendations on what and how to setup an email system. The why you're using what you are is vitally important for me (as are my security and privacy). Please TIA ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [OT] Debian 10 init now listens as portmapper
I was logged into a Debian 10 system this morning and was looking to see if an Areca console was running. Noticed "init" listening on port 111 where RPC used to be. Seems like a dangerous move but at this point, not surprised. tcp6 0 0 :::111 :::*LISTEN 0 21844 1/init off (0.00/0/0) udp0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* 0 17610 1/init off (0.00/0/0) udp6 0 0 :::111 :::* 0 18911 1/init off (0.00/0/0) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Viewing file content (was Re: system administration of non-systemd distros and releases)
> On 27 Nov 2021, at 14:24, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > > Looking at the lesspipe manual page[1] (don't have less installed ;-), > it seems that it doesn't support on-the-fly encoding switching but as > far as dealing with compressed files, I guess there is no or not much > difference. > > [1]: https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/less/lesspipe.1.en.html Ahh ok. I’ve never had to deal with alternate encodings. If I ever needed that I would probably just alias less to lv, assuming the UI is similar enough. Muscle memory is hard to overcome sometimes. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] system administration of non-systemd distros and releases
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 21:30:38 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Peter Duffy said on Fri, 26 Nov 2021 11:08:27 + > > >It's a bit like the charlatans and fake doctors in past centuries. > >They'd invent an illness, and then claim to have a remedy for it: > > > >https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/marthambles > > Or, more recently, http://bentcarrot.com. > > It's bent? Oh, the horror! I went reading for a laugh. Then I went hunting for an "it's all a troll lol" admission that it's a joke website. I don't know if it is. Their chain of references was: https://www.endo.com/endopharma/therapeutic-areas/urology-mens-health/peyronies-disease https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/peyronies-disease/symptoms-causes/syc-20353468 Alternate: https://menshealth.mayoclinic.org/ServiceLine/peyronies-disease/?Id=11 And for what it's worth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie%27s_disease If these sources are legit then I am ethically obligated to bring up.. There is a similar issue to the fake disease: A genuine problem exists but is said to be imaginary while the sufferers and their advocates (if any) are painted as bad and society laughs at them. Your reaction to bent carrot was that same laughter and the equivalent of "shut up and man up". To pull it back on topic, I do personally think systemd is some variation to busywork for money, a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, inventing complexity, premature optimization and I don't know what else. It hurts my brain, but for many things I try to wonder if I'm stuck in my ways or somehow can't see the full picture. I'm jaded at marketing, and I know to not trust paid advocates or people who are shackled to something by employment or social elements, but I'm still kinda open. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wastebasket_diagnosis ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
