Re: [DNG] elogind testing for experimental and ascii-proposed

Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > ..so a good way forward is, treat this policykit/consolekit/logind > etc thing like systemd, pulseaudio etc poetterware. I'm bemused by people in the Devuan Project wanting to find a compatible substitute for systemd-logind. The entire Debian fiasco was

Re: [DNG] Backup plans: was Which is free, which is open source, et al.

e your (figurative) breath. It turns out, Steve wasn't attempting a serious discussion of what is free and what is open source as proclaimed in his subject header. He was just recycling his standard polemic and attempting to make it look like that other discussion. -- Cheers, « Le

Re: [DNG] Which is free, which is open source, et al.

Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org): > plus funny to read Devuan turning almost into a DonJuan :^D I look forward to quoting Don Giovanni's servant Leporello about Devuan adoptions: In Italia seicento e quaranta; In Alemagna, duecento e trentuna; Cento in Francia, in Turchia novantuna;

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

ady happened once. -- Cheers, « Le doute n'est pas une état bien agréable, mais Rick Moen l'assurance est un état ridicule. » ("Doubt is not r...@linuxmafia.com a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.') McQ! (4x80)

Re: [DNG] Meltdown and linux kernel KPTI patch

Quoting Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI (ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org): > ISTR that AMDs are not affected by Meltdown, but affected by Spectre _Possibly_. Quoting the Meltdown FAQ: 'At the moment, it is unclear whether ARM and AMD processors are also affected by Meltdown.'

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

aving done this house-cleaning, now you can do the second command that toggles on the metadata checksum option. Last, 'fsck.ext4 -D [devicename' 'optimises' (reindexes, or sorts and compresses) all directories. -- Cheers, "Like running into a burning building and t

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 01:15:10 +0100 > Harald Arnesen wrote: > > > I see what you mean, and I have never had a problem with ext4 either. > > But I have used btrfs on all my main machines for the last years, and > > have not had

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Quoting Dr. Nikolaus Klepp (dr.kl...@gmx.at): > Am Donnerstag, 28. Dezember 2017 schrieb Rick Moen: > > Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > > > My one-time colleague Ted T'so once wrote an excellent piece, that I > > can't find at the moment, about how ext2/e

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > I'm reluctant to use ext3/ext4 because I don't understand why they > still have this strange lost+found directory, which signs a kind of > weakness. It's just a receiving area for fragments (inodes without corresponding filenames) that might in the future

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

/nctritech.wordpress.com/2017/03/07/zfs-wont-save-you-fancy-filesystem-fanatics-need-to-get-a-clue-about-bit-rot-and-raid-5/ -- Cheers,There are only 10 types of people in this world -- Rick Moen those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. r...@li

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > Den 27.12.2017 02:20, skrev Rick Moen: > > > btrfs is still scarily beta after rather a lot of years of development. > > Its prospects have dimmed further now that Red Hat have dropped it from > > their roadmap. > >

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

uthorised derivative work, in this case, would be the Linux kernel copyright owners, not Oracle as Sun Microsystems's successors in interest. (I say that from memory, not being willing to go re-read CDDL just to check.) -- Cheers,"I am not responsible for the structural integr

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): [RAID1:] > It's not backup in any normally robust sense of the word. It does > provide a bit of backup against one potential threat -- minor > localized hard drive failures. Which is properly called rendundancy, in contrast to backup. (You

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > As I understand it, there are a few new file systems somewhat > available on Linux -- ZFS, XFS, and Btrfs. > > But soe are still under development, ZFS is pparently under a > prolematic license, and I don't know about XFS. > > I've onece heard

Re: [DNG] Text editor ?

s Open Motif or LessTif. Still called NEdit (short for Nirvana Editor). https://sourceforge.net/projects/nedit/ ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/unix/editors/nedit/contrib/misc/nedit.pdf -- Cheers,"I am not responsible for the structural integrity Rick Moen of

Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

I wrote: > If you used an MUA that supported proper list-reply, you wouldn't > need to 'change your To: line', either. (I haven't checked headers > to see if your MUA is revealed, there. If you _do_ use mutt, switch > to doing list-reply.) Claws-Mail -- and, in Web-searching to see whether

Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > And now for my netiquette nit, addressed to all list inhabitants... > > Don't email me and copy the list. Don't email the list and copy me. In fairness, some MUAs (such as mutt) make it easy to comply with this request. Many do not. mutt makes

Re: [DNG] Decent GUI FTP client for linux (not filezilla)

Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > Well, I have been using ncftp, lftp, and yafc, almost exclusively, > almost interchangeably, and never felt the need of something else, > TBH. But I understand that they are probably not GUI ftp clients, are > they? I don't know. Aren't bash, xargs,

Re: [DNG] Decent GUI FTP client for linux (not filezilla)

Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): > GNU mc. Unless by GUI you really mean something with sparks and > glitters :-P I've been struggling with the temptation to say 'lftp in an xterm', and hereby surrender to it. ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 01:14:12 -0800 > Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> wrote: > > > > How NFS mount will make your system less secure? > > > > I'm not going to argue. Study NFS. > > In that case, what

Re: [DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

Quoting Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky (phao...@gmail.com): > For me NFS is helpful in cluster environments where each machine is a > replica of another one and they share the same data. It's terrific for that. I used to construct HPC clusters of that general description when I worked at VA Linux

Re: [DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

Quoting Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky (phao...@gmail.com): > I don't know what's a 'nougat' security model, however I don't > understand what you mean. This was a semi-serious, semi-joke reference: Honestly, 'nougat' (orig. from the Latin 'nux' meaning nut, arriving in English via Occitan and then

Re: [DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > I heard that YP aka NIS was a horrible security threat. NFS is > certainly not very secure either. But nobody considers establishing > the NFS connection across the world-wide Internet; it is always on a > LAN and, given this, I don't see how it can be

Re: [DNG] NFS: was mounting /usr

Quoting k...@aspodata.se (k...@aspodata.se): > Sun's Yellow Pages is called NIS since a long time ago. And NIS is lately spelled 'LDAP'. ;-> NFSv4 is better and less gratuitously firewall-hostile than versions in days of yore. I still would carefully avoid exposing any NFS (what we

Re: [DNG] Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

Quoting Edward Bartolo (edb...@gmail.com): > Sorry, I had no intention to be rude. Gmail makes quoting preceeding > emails redundant, so this is a problem that I am not directly aware > of, as I can always easily access previous emails in the same thread. This may help:

Re: [DNG] netiquette Was: Re: Installing & running eudev broke USB drives auto-listing in Thunar.

Quoting Svante Signell (svante.sign...@gmail.com): > PS: Who is the best female skier currently? Maren Lundby, from Lillehammer! You had to ask? ;-> -- Cheers, For good netiquette, Rick Moen be wise and choose a four-

Re: [DNG] ..forensics on systemd or journald logs

Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 14:47:40 +0100, John wrote in message > <02372660-5727-d160-fe49-e3a4963f8...@atlantech.com>: > > > On 23/11/17 12:28, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..the kernel guys has this far proven more trustworthy, IME. > > > > Number of times

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Quoting taii...@gmx.com (taii...@gmx.com): > What is so much better about the ifconfig replacement ip? One, iproute2 is maintained. net-tools isn't. Unmaintained key system tools are a security and reliability risk that can IMO not be justified by merely not wanting to move on. IIRC,

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Acronym for Apologist Troll. HANDY! (Acronym for 'Have A Nice Day, Y'all.') ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] rc.local removed from Debian 9, rly?

the wrong xterm > has keyboard focus when you type something...) ;o) I'll hazard a guess Steve was telegraphing 'a troll', though certainly 'a wet shot' på norsk would seem semi-appropriate, too, now that you mention it. -- Cheers, Luftputebåten min er full

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > A program called ip. It has commands such as ip route, ip addr, ip > link, and several others. It's confusing and underdocumented, but so is > ifconfig (which I never even began to master). I have a knowledgebase item 'iproute2 transition' on

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Unfortunately, there will always be those who respond to trolls. For > that purpose, Rick Moen has written a rather ingenious procmail recipe > to /dev/null all identifiable descendents of the troll's posts. I don't > use it becaus

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Because of lack of Unicode, those terminals couldn't do it right. But > that's no more: here's a kernel patch set which makes the tty line > discipline handle the Great Runes correctly: > https://github.com/kilobyte/linux/commits/runes > > "stty

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

Quoting Joerg Reisenweber (reisenwe...@web.de): > On Mon 13 November 2017 15:46:30 John Hughes wrote: > > systemd didn't exist in 1991 when USL decided that for SVR4.2 /bin, /lib > > and /sbin should just be symlinks to /usr. > > And when did USL (whoever that is) decide that SVR4.2 doesn't

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

Quoting John Hughes (j...@atlantech.com): > I have a N900, that is not news to me and has already been addressed > by Adam Borowski: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20171108.052040.5cb5ca3d.en.html Adam saying frequently 'There's no gain to put / and /usr on separate filesystem[s]'

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Note: there indeed was one security vulnerability, but it was discovered in > 2014, while all the "it's dead" brouchacha happened years before. https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-3618 It's a heap-based buffer overflow in

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no): > Nate Bargmann writes: > >I've also used Procmail for an > >equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". > > Who claims that? Best coverage is in LWN.net. On the one hand, there is no longer an upstream maintainer, but

Re: [DNG] AMD: Was Problem with xorg on 6th gen Intel cpus

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > After Rick's posted Minix on Intel article, I'm going to stick with AMD > even if it's more expensive, slower and hotter (and I'm not saying any > of those things are true). I'm honestly not sure that AMD CPUs are a substantial improvement in

Re: [DNG] / on lvm2 volume (was Re: WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable)

Quoting Olaf Meeuwissen (paddy-h...@member.fsf.org): > I don't know how long this has been available but had I been aware of > it, I would have used it way back when I used to mount /usr read-only. > That's been a while ... maybe 10 years or so ;-) > > Actually, staring at this, I may have done

[DNG] (forw) Re: [skeptic] MINIX: ?Intel's hidden in-chip operating system

Vaughan-Nichols's article is at http://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/ - Forwarded message from Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> - Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:19:35 -0800 From: Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> To: skep...@linuxmafia.com

Re: [DNG] / on lvm2 volume (was Re: WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable)

Quoting Olaf Meeuwissen (paddy-h...@member.fsf.org): > I used to mount /usr read-only on my server machines but that quickly > becomes a bore when you need to install security upgrades every so > often. Suggestion: Make remounting an automatic part of package operations. /etc/apt/apt.conf:

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

Quoting John Hughes (j...@atlantech.com): > Wave Without a Shore by C.J. Cherryh Review by Randy Byers: http://randy-byers.livejournal.com/600709.html (This Cherryh short novel is most often found, these days, in omnibus volume _Alternate Realities_, with two other short novels.) Your

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Systemd is bad, but dropping the pretense that following the needs of _one_ > particular stone-age PDP install is sound design is not bad. It would be illogical to assert that the only conceivable justification for separate /usr was Thompson &

Re: [DNG] WARNING: lvm2 > 2.02.173-1 breaks some systems and make them unbootable

Quoting John Hughes (j...@atlantech.com): > The separation of / and /usr is a relic of really, really tiny disk sizes. It _originated_ in everything not fitting on one disk on Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie's PDP-11, at a point in 1971, originally as a place for user home directories. Rob

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.' (This was one of Shaw's Maxims for Revlutionists in his play _Man and Superman_, http://www.bartleby.com/157/6.html .) -- Cheers,"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes Rick Moen to be true h

Re: [DNG] RMS: was Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > I sometimes have Richard Stallman as a house guest, > > Walk on egg shells much? Seriously, Richard Stallman is a gracious and pleasant guest. He's also extremely funny. I was at a Chinese restaurant with him once, and decided to try to yank

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

I wrote: > As it happens, as I mentioned, I just recently bought (to play with) a > reconditioned Zotac CI321 w/4GB RAM and a 64GB SSD for US $125 with 1 > year warranty from Zotac after John Franklin mentioned the Zotac > C-series here. (TY, John!) It has the Intel ME and Intel FSM problems,

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > Very well then, > https://libreboot.org/faq.html#will-the-purism-laptops-be-supported > > that is one perfect example. If it were possible, I think libreboot > would have said something by now about the intel_me cleaner making it > possible. This is

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

I wrote: > Coreboot itself is free software but by design hosts proprietary > plugins. In that regard, it differs from its militantly free software > fork libreboot, which of course in consequence supports much less > software. I meant hardware. And I'd still appreciate it if

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > https://puri.sm/faq/ > > Technical & Advanced > Can I buy a Librem with a proprietary BIOS/UEFI? > > No. We ship with the free software firmware coreboot. We don’t ship Librem 13 > or Librem 15 with any proprietary BIOS/UEFI. (Note: This

Re: [DNG] First steps on possible runit package

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Also, while I have your attention, all you guys talk about two > different packages: runit and runit-init. Upstream distinction, not distro. runit-init is a binary executable that can be the first process. Or, if you prefer, you can use your

Re: [DNG] Getting to know Chris Lamb

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I'd add one more reason. Did everyone notice that neither Chris Lamb > nor his opponent give the slightest mention to the systemd fiasco? At > least a year of bad feelings. Said contention ran from 2012 to 2014. A quick check of /usr/bin/cal

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Hell yeah. I have a completely opposite view: if a piece of software hasn't > been packaged, it's most likely because it is crap -- otherwise someone > would bother to do the work. And, usually upstream developers know how to > deal with the

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I don't know how to do the preceding, and I'm forever prioritizing > other things above learning it. Well, if you have a spare hour some time, try debhelper[1] or CheckInstall[2]. You might be surprised. (Above and below, for the sake of

Re: [DNG] I'm not part of the Debian project

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I'm the originator and 2 year maintainer of the VimOutliner project. > The Debian package substituted a double backslash \\ for the double > comma ,, command prefix. When I said that the double comma was > selected for speed purposes and that

Re: [DNG] Runit for Devuan: was Debian testing drop redis

Quoting John Hughes (j...@atlantech.com): Just a note to say you strike me as saying useful and constructive things, for which my thanks. I wish some other good and valued folks, bless them one and all, were a bit less quick to pick a fight. There are much more interesting things to discuss.

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > I still have a mixture of irritation and amazement, that systemd is > considered libre software yet causes so many issues and > security/stability flaws. amazing yet terrifying... Nothing at all prevents libre software from being absolutely wretched. The term

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > But Chris, please understand, Debian *has* done plenty of sabotage and > vandalism in the past, especially but not exclusively with the ramming > of systemd down everyone's throat, with no committment to continue to > support alternative inits and

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

Quoting John Franklin (frank...@tux.org): Technically, a rootkit is not a threat but rather a minor after-the-fact sequel to a threat and succesful attack. It does not embody an attack, itself. Rather, it's a method of hiding from the legitimate administrator the covert activity of an intruder

Re: [DNG] trusting components (was: systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1)

Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > Many years ago there was a demonstration of how to build a backdoor > into the "login" binary. https://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/712.fall02/papers/p761-thompson.pdf ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Does anyone here actually use redis? I looked it up, and to me it looks > like dbus on steroids. An in-memory data store accessible by lots of > different applications. What could POSSIBLY go wrong? Extremely useful for large Web sites. _Not_ a

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

Quoting John Franklin (frank...@tux.org): > Are you looking specifically for something with the Pi’s bare-board > form factor? The Zotac C-series of barebones machines also support > SATA and have no fans. (At least in the spin-and-move-air sense. > They have lots of users-that-love-using-them

Re: [DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > It's only a Recommends, but if it's unsatisfied, you can't shutdown, > suspend, or, as the original poster wants, mount removable filesystems > from the GUI. Running the commands to do these things in an xterm makes them graphical, right? ;->

Re: [DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.

Correcting think-o: > I subsequently upgrade my test VM (running in VirtualBox) to Debian > Squeeze without systemd-dependency problems. ^^^ Should be 'Stretch', aka Debian 9. Sorry about typo/think-o. (And thank you for the offlist note, golinux.)

Re: [DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Generally, all desktop environments but hardly anything else in Debian > Jessie require systemd for an important part of operation. In testing of Debian Jessie and querying of package metadata, I found these Debian 8 'Jessie' DE metapackages require

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting taii...@gmx.com (taii...@gmx.com): > Yeah just like I have said before this is the only logical reason as > to why browser fingerprinting is still so easy to perform even after > years of the vendors knowing about it. Like many questions of interest, that is actually complicated. Behind

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting dev (devua...@gmail.com): > So, this[1]? I've honestly never bothered to look until you > mentioned it. Primarily that, yes. Mozilla Corp. are highly dependent on contractual funding from all of those firms listed, but IIRC the biggest share is from Google, Inc. So, when I've given

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting taii...@gmx.com (taii...@gmx.com): > Yeah I am very bothered at mozilla's, and a variety of other > organizations choices that don't respect the end users and > developers. > Doing something that alienates the majority of your users for > "progress" doesn't seem like a good idea, only a

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > However, in general, in situations where vision is the most use > sense, colour is the prefered method to draw attention, not only on > computers. It is very apropriate on the command line because it does > not change the syntax of what is written,

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > > > > On 09/23/2017 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > ... > > If interested in this area of law, see: 'Trademark Law' on > > http://linuxmafia.com/kb

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr): > Well, I think we've got a comprehensive review of the strategies > used to remind the user s?he's acting as root, and they all rely on > colour. The '#' character is a colour? ;-> ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > On 09/23/2017 10:35 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > >> Also, palemoon has restrictions on its software which waterfox does not. > >> I believe its on its binaries or executables? I t

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > Also, palemoon has restrictions on its software which waterfox does not. > I believe its on its binaries or executables? I think? I've just looked and found no evidence of this. -- Rick Moen "Due to circumstances beyond your

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

\[\033[0;0m\]" It's a very good idea -- or, as Arnt says, set the background colour (which you can do with X11 resources if launching root shell directly from the window manager). -- Rick Moen "'Decimate' when referring to killing one r...@linuxmafia.com

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > The problem with su is that you may forget you are superuser and start > doing dangerous things, > > That's it. What a pity there isn't a visual indicator that you are weilding root authority like, I don't know, maybe the bash shell prompt

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

Quoting Hector Gonzalez (ca...@genac.org): > You can also do this, assuming your original user is "user": > XAUTHORITY=~user/.Xauthority > export XAUTHORITY > DISPLAY=:0.0 > export DISPLAY > and use x with that. Some of us like to do 'ssh -Y root@localhost' because we got tired of messing

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > ..my prefecence was the -X option: ssh -X root@localhost > until Debian killed it with some new policy. Was it Debian that did that? I was never sure. I just remember that 'ssh -X' suddenly no longer did X11 forwarding as it used to, but I looked up

Re: [DNG] New behaviour under Devuan.

Quoting Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI (ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org): > Anything against having `xhost +` in ~/.bashrc ? Local security, disabling of. One different method: $ ssh -Y root@localhost # gparted & # The '-Y' option enables X11 forwarding. (This of course requires sshd.) You can

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

s are pretty hard to miss - and it should > be one of the first resources to tap. Nice! Duly bookmarked https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ . Thank you. -- Cheers, "Teach a man to make fire, and he will be warm Rick Moen for a day. Set a man on fire, a

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting dev (devua...@gmail.com): > Because the last time I tried Chromium its functionality was about on > par with Konquerer's and I wrote it off. Perhaps it's matured nicely? Criteria and opinions differ, of course, but I'd say it's at least worth your time to recheck.

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > I would agree adblock is much more memory intensive and ethically unsound. ABP's 'Acceptable Ads' whitelisting is pretty questionable. OTOH, it's openly documented (e.g., https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads) and easy to revert. Just uncheck the 'Allow

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > Most people seem to be using these two names interchangeably, even though, > as you rightfully point, they do differ. I did not go into a tangent of > correcting this as it was not relevant to bashing PulseAudio. 'Ah, the rare valid point', as Josh

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS. > > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy extensions > Firefox has. At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser (Chrome). I don't know why so

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

ther nice. But whatever's your cuppa. -- Rick Moen "The numbers one through ten should be spelled out, r...@linuxmafia.comwhile numbers greater than ten are products of the McQ! (4x80) Illuminati and sho

Re: [DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no): > >I am starting to believe computer security is an unattainable Utopia. > > That's a good book, I recommend reading it, if only for its > descriptions of Utopia and attainability. And for a picture of a slave society, where premarital sex is

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 at 00:22:40 -0400 "taii...@gmx.com" > wrote: >> IBM has done a variety of bad things, but that doesn't mean OpenPOWER >> isn't a really good one. > > * That the presence of a BMC chip on POWER means it

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > No, I just pointed out that the fact that IBM does indeed put hardware > and software remote-control devices inside it's chips is an established > and documented truth. [...] Noted without comment:

Re: [DNG] Talos, Intel, libre purism, ...

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > The Sad thing is, I sometimes if it is nonsensical, or stupid, I find it > highly amusing. Isn't it just? One of the mutt MUA's (many) unsung advantages is you can often tell, merely by glancing at the threading pattern, that a thread has gone totally off

Re: [DNG] Talos, Intel, libre purism, ...

Quoting eric (eri...@cox.net): > That may remove some of the (off-topic?) traffic on this list even > though I do not know what is off-topic anymore. One rule of thumb I try to follow, to reduce noise, is state a specific point of contention twice at most, then exit, even if an Inevitable One

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

Quoting taii...@gmx.com (taii...@gmx.com): > >I also find a bit questionable your going around attempting to tarnish > >the reputation of someone with a real name, while concealing your own. > Criticism isn't allowed? This is of course nothing like what I said. > I dislike when people deal with

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

Quoting taii...@gmx.com (taii...@gmx.com): [speaking to Alessandro Selli] > You are constantly defending them and snubbing your nose at superior > products so it is obvious you work for purism. Can I ask for a bit more civility, please? Mr. Selli is a fairly passionate free software person,

Re: [DNG] Fw: Gentoo wiki

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I'm forwarding this from the Supervision list. Really great information > about runit, s6, and daemontools-encore. I think this is handy > information no matter what distro one is using. I don't want to seem ungrateful but... I'll just say that

Re: [DNG] Fw: Gentoo wiki

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > Hi all, > > I'm forwarding this from the Supervision list. Really great information > about runit, s6, and daemontools-encore. I think this is handy > information no matter what distro one is using. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard is _always_ worth

Re: [DNG] Accountability (Was: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server)

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > I think he meant, threatened the way most people mean threatened, like a > demand not to do something or else. It was just a little vague, and I was interested in the 'or else'. Also, I think misbehaviour from Mozilla Corporation would be of broad interest

Re: [DNG] Accountability (Was: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server)

Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > On 09/01/2017 08:33 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote: > > ...Pan Am aircraft... > > Volkswagen soviet union? > As entertaining as this is, what does this have to do with the Talos 2? Nothing, and it's an annoying and unwarranted digression into the personal, with

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Elsewhere in this thread, there's been mention of the dire threat to system security from Intel Management Engine (ME) (every Intel CPU since 2008) and the equivalent AMD Platform Security Processor (PSP). Noted in the current Linux Weekly News: discovery of a way to shoot Intel ME version 11

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (enrico.weig...@gr13.net): > In essence, moz folks only want to add new fancy brave new world > features (seems they're totally in the post-humanist ideology), > and tend to hostile reaction against all critics. > > Just try to submit a patch that eg,

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (enrico.weig...@gr13.net): > >Have you written this up, somewhere? > > yet incomplete and hackish (due lack of time) > > https://github.com/orgs/Librezilla/ Thank you for working on that. I haven't taken the time to find the crux of your objection to

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (enrico.weig...@gr13.net): > They suggest firefox ... recent versions (at least since 52) have > built-in malware. I've already removed larged parts of it (yet > very experimental and untested) - still need a strategy to align > w/ upstream. To be very

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no): [snip a bunch of stuff I'm not going to spend time on] > Back to the phones. > > If you have proper control over your phones's baseband, you're > relying on the telco as a proprietary black box to forward your > packets and calls. If your

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