Re: [DNG] inferno and FlyingTux

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Re: [DNG] Announce: FlyingTux project

more in detail? --mtx Thanks, SteveT Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult said on Fri, 30 Jul 2021 14:49:32 +0200 Hello folks, maybe a bit offtopic, but allow me to announce the FlyingTux project: It's an build/runtime infrastructure for running desktop and mobile applications in containers

Re: [DNG] Announce: FlyingTux project

On 06.08.21 22:16, Steve Litt wrote: Hendrik Boom said on Fri, 6 Aug 2021 13:40:32 -0400 On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 02:49:32PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: Hello folks, Have a look at inferno. http://inferno-os.org/ -- hendrik What's the relationship between Inferno

Re: [DNG] inferno and FlyingTux

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Re: [DNG] ..another viable basis idea for Devuan as a hypervisor?, was: Announce: FlyingTux project

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[DNG] Announce: FlyingTux project

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Re: [DNG] New service manager being developed

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Re: [DNG] Starting outline for the DNG Safe Programmer Certificate

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Re: [DNG] Nasty Linux systemd security bug revealed

ions, even not larger fixed sized arrays. --mtx -- --- Hinweis: unverschlüsselte E-Mails können leicht abgehört und manipuliert werden ! Für eine vertrauliche Kommunikation senden Sie bitte ihren GPG/PGP-Schlüssel zu. --- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free software and Linux embedded eng

Re: [DNG] Collaboration between distros [WAS: FSF and human rights]

-generated files * overwrite toolchain commands by standard env vars ($CC, etc) --mtx -- --- Hinweis: unverschlüsselte E-Mails können leicht abgehört und manipuliert werden ! Für eine vertrauliche Kommunikation senden Sie bitte ihren GPG/PGP-Schlüssel zu. --- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free

Re: [DNG] Collaboration between distros [WAS: FSF and human rights]

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Re: [DNG] Collaboration between distros [WAS: FSF and human rights]

formally described transformation rules, so we can do fully automatic imports. --mtx -- --- Hinweis: unverschlüsselte E-Mails können leicht abgehört und manipuliert werden ! Für eine vertrauliche Kommunikation senden Sie bitte ihren GPG/PGP-Schlüssel zu. --- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free

Re: [DNG] Collaboration between distros [WAS: FSF and human rights]

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[DNG] GNU SmartOS [WAS: FSF and human rights]

industrial revolution, but they are still political problems. ACK. --mtx -- --- Hinweis: unverschlüsselte E-Mails können leicht abgehört und manipuliert werden ! Für eine vertrauliche Kommunikation senden Sie bitte ihren GPG/PGP-Schlüssel zu. --- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free software

Re: [DNG] End of free open source software?

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[DNG] Collaboration between distros [WAS: FSF and human rights]

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[DNG] [PATCH] (security) launcher: don't attempt to execute arbitrary binaries

ic damages). Therefore introduce a new setting and only execute programs if explicitly enabled. Signed-off-by: Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult --- thunar/thunar-file.c | 55 +--- 1 file changed, 31 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-) diff --git a/thu

Re: [DNG] Desktop integration

;-)). Maybe that's something that could be interesting for this usecase. --mtx -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free software and Linux embedded engineering i...@metux.net -- +49-151-27565287 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglist

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

mings ? Can't tell anymore, it's sooo long ago. But I've spent really huge amount of time. Maybe it's much easier now, or maybe it's much more complex as today's software had become so complex. No idea. What are the actual use cases you have in mind ? --mtx -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Fr

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] packaging kubernetes

S. thx. Maybe we should discuss how to bring extra packages (that aren't covered by Debian at all) into the distro. Any ideas ? --mtx -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free software and Linux embedded engineering i...@metux.net -- +49-151-27565287 __

[DNG] yet another case of silly Lennartism :p [Fwd: Our build system may be broken: /bin vs /usr/bin]

just for your amusement ... Forwarded Message Subject: Our build system may be broken: /bin vs /usr/bin Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 15:01:46 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-de...@lists.debian.org Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 08:55:31 -0600 From: Dirk Eddelbuettel To: Debian

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

On 17.10.2018 15:14, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead > of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. That would be a *very complex* task - basically reimplementing much of systemd logic. Nothing that I could aggree to support.

Re: [DNG] Introducing myself....

On 15.10.2018 14:42, g4sra wrote: welcome. > The issue as I see it is that Linux is becoming commercialised by the > likes of Red Hat and other big players (Oracle, IBM, etc, etc). ACK. That's IMHO one of the major reasons for the massive quality degradation in recent years ... just look at the

Re: [DNG] Avahi [was Weird network issue]

On 16.10.2018 11:29, Alessandro Selli wrote: >   I find it amazing how often there is no one who knows anything> technical > about the printer, and I do not mean the list of printing or> shared filesystem protocols it supports or if it can take Postscript/PDF> files directly, but not even it's

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

On 10.10.2018 14:29, Rowland Penny wrote: > Are you trying to tell me that Junker etc are leftist ? pull the other> one, > its got bells on. No, I just see some patterns. Anyways, I don't put anybody in those categories, until there is actual strong evidence for that. And I believe, people

Re: [DNG] systemd and ssh-server

On 25.07.2018 10:20, Joel Roth wrote: Hi, > Most of those "alarming" files are just systemd units files, put there> by > daemons/packages/utilities who "also" support systemd in a way or> another. So they are not alarming but just *totally* *harmless* if you> don't have a running systemd as PID

Re: [DNG] systemd and ssh-server

On 25.07.2018 09:11, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > It's required just to notify systemd that sshd is running, so in > systemd-less system it's nop. So mostly libsystemd0 is harmless. Is it that the original libsystemd0, which tries to talk to systemd via desktop-bus ? Or is it a patched version, where

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

On 10.10.2018 13:20, Rowland Penny wrote: Hi, > You could just have said: > * people against shall be banned/silenced, as they're >discriminating/against . > > Instead of that long list. I did this to illustrate that can quickly become a very long list. By the way, the list in the

Re: [DNG] OT: firefox, privacy etc.

On 06.09.2018 09:21, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > My Firefox never forced me to use Pocket or Sync or anything. The start > page had some Pocket recommendations after some update, but I just > disabled those. You can even configure the start page after starting > Firefox or opening a new tab to

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

On 01.10.2018 07:28, taii...@gmx.com wrote: Hi, > On 09/27/2018 05:11 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: >> I'm that Social Justice Warrior that you don't like. > > I can almost guarantee you aren't. > > There is a big difference between being for social justice which any > reasonable person is, and

Re: [DNG] Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

On 09.08.2018 15:08, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Indeed the only safe way is running one's own > infrastructure.  Too bad the major FOSS web browser is following this > business trend, but after all we know Mozilla is a Corporation, not a > charity. I dont expect anything else from them anymore

[DNG] installer on serial console / qemu

Hi folks, could anyone give me a hint on how to run the installer on serial console ? If I just add conosole=tty0, the installer suddenly asks me for the language. I'm running automatic installs in qemu. And I'd like to detect fatal errors from the console. --mtx -- Enrico Weigelt, metux

Re: [DNG] jessie installer bug

On 14.05.2018 02:05, Arnt Karlsen wrote: By the way: I'm currently hacking up a tool for fully automatic VM installs (much smaller an simpler than vagrant et al) - if anybody's interested, just drop a note. ..qubes-os.org style but based on Devuan? Something like that :) But also w/ some

Re: [DNG] jessie installer bug

On 13.05.2018 10:17, KatolaZ wrote: The package is in the repos, so there must be something odd with your sources.list? Also: which install image are you using? Seems I just messed up my preseed. Sorry for the noise. By the way: I'm currently hacking up a tool for fully automatic VM

[DNG] Set keymap via preseed

Hi folks, could anybody please give me some hints on how to set keymap (in my case: de-latin1) via preseed ? --mtx -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free software and Linux embedded engineering i...@metux.net -- +49-151-27565287 ___ Dng mailing

[DNG] jessie installer bug

Hi folks, seems I've stumbled across a bug in jessie installer: dbus depends on libcap-ng0, which isn't available. do I need to add debian repos to sources.list ? --mtx -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult Free software and Linux embedded engineering i...@metux.net -- +49-151-27565287

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Announce: docker-buildpackage

On 02.05.2018 10:49, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: In the README, I noticed: > >* automatically debootstrap a build container base image> > I haven't checked how that is achieved, but why don't you just> > docker pull registry.gitlab.com/paddy-hack/devuan/builder That would just be a special

[DNG] Fwd: Announce: docker-buildpackage

Forwarded Message Subject: Announce: docker-buildpackage Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 15:23:31 +0200 From: Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult <i...@metux.net> To: dng@lists.dyne.org <dng@lists.dyne.org>, ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com, debian developers <debian-de...@l

Re: [DNG] UEFI and Secure Boot

On 23.10.2017 11:50, Simon Hobson wrote: [U]EFI in itself isn't all that bad - what some manufacturers do with it, and the hash they make of it, is often bad. It always had been bullshit. A good technical solution would be OF + device tree. Board vendors should just provide the board init

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

On 23.09.2017 10:51, Miroslav Rovis wrote: Except with Udoo the *fake* open hardware. Based on Intel x86 processor, as I strongly suspect. Maybe we should set up a public list of open vs. proprietary hardware, a big hall of fame and hall of shame. Laud the good and blame the bad. And

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 21.09.2017 19:49, Joel Roth wrote: That's odd. I installed the skypeforlinux.deb file on deuvan jessie without the pulseaudio server. yes, it depends on pa library, but not the service - which is correct, as the server could be remote. --mtx ___

Re: [DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

On 21.09.2017 18:12, Edward Bartolo wrote: Excuse me for interrupting this conversation, but, what is the point of making sure a browser is secure knowing there is a complete HIDDEN OS running all the time? Not everybody uses (recent) x86 :p We can't take care of everything at once, and IME

[DNG] librezilla: [WAS: Has anyone tried waterfox?]

On 21.09.2017 16:51, zap wrote: I look forward to such an idea, will it support alsa and Didn't touch the ALSA part yet - if upstream supports it, shouldn't be a problem. OTOH, if upstream drops it, we need some deeper thoughts on that. Perhaps think about an generic crossplatform audio

Re: [DNG] Has anyone tried waterfox?

On 21.09.2017 04:09, zap wrote: Hi, haven't tried waterfox yet, and didn't get in contact w/ the folks behind, but I've started an own fork: Librezilla. https://github.com/Librezilla It's pretty experimental yet, and still based on esr52 (because of the rust problem). BTW: it seems that

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

On 19.09.2017 16:46, Adam Borowski wrote: Too bad, Firefox is the only somewhat usable browser. With enough extensions (hello 57...) it's possible to beat some basic security into it, while Chromium has built-in spyware even in that "incognito mode" snake oil that can't be disabled by

[DNG] jessie keyring

Hi folks, is there a package (in dng jessie) w/ the current repo pubkey ? W: GPG error: http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 94532124541922FB --mtx

Re: [DNG] docker images

On 16.09.2017 21:11, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2017-09-16 14:03, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: Hi folks, anyone of you already created docker images ? What do you think about publishing 'official' images into the docker.io registry ? Maybe starting with very minimal - one per

[DNG] docker images

Hi folks, anyone of you already created docker images ? What do you think about publishing 'official' images into the docker.io registry ? Maybe starting with very minimal - one per release and arch ... --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

On 08.09.2017 09:53, Erik Christiansen wrote: No, one of the variety of CPUs implemented on FPGAs, so not so curious at all. Some FPGAs contain RAM areas, improving the gate efficiency of e.g. a CPU implementation. No, that's just boring ;-) I'm thinking of generating VHDL from fw rules and

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

On 07.09.2017 16:12, Erik Christiansen wrote: If the firewall is on a FPGA, then we know what every gate is doing, as we have the VHDL source for it. An purely FPGA-based firewall (w/o an cpu in it), specifically synthesized for a given ruleset seems an very interesting approach. Anyone here

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

On 07.09.2017 16:42, Rowland Penny wrote: On Thu, 7 Sep 2017 16:32:42 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 11:51:46PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: I have tried asking nicely WILL YOU SHUTUP!!! hey, please calm down. IMHO, even this discussion isn't

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

On 06.09.2017 03:14, mdn wrote: If I understood it correctly, they managed to boot an modified firmware on that ME core, so it theoretically should be possible to run an entirely own firmware on it. Maybe barebox or plan9. They did manage to boot a modified firmware but there's still

Re: [DNG] Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

On 05.09.2017 18:14, mdn wrote: If I understood it correctly, they managed to boot an modified firmware on that ME core, so it theoretically should be possible to run an entirely own firmware on it. Maybe barebox or plan9. Having a serial console (maybe via some free gpios ?) would be a

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 01.09.2017 01:25, Rick Moen wrote: https://github.com/orgs/Librezilla/ Thank you for working on that. I haven't taken the time to find the crux of your objection to the upstream code, though. In essence, moz folks only want to add new fancy brave new world features (seems they're

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 22:38, Rick Moen wrote: I think you're missing that point that a baseband chipset integrated > with a smartphone has total control over anything and everything the> smartphone does, Depends on how it is connected to the rest of the system. If it eg. has a direct link to the mic,

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 22:26, Rick Moen wrote: They say it's going to be either i.MX6 or i.MX8. whenever mx8 will be actually available ... :o They haven't yet decided. (This further underlines my point that it's definitely nothing like a finished product, yet.) ack. I don't want to be unduly

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 22:05, zap wrote: Try Waterfox that is libre by default at least. eme can be disabled and that is waterfox's only problem. Cool, didn't know that yet. We should support it in dng. --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 21:53, Daniel Abrecht wrote: While all android phones technically use a linux kernel, they have > nothing else in common with a normal Linux system. Android has it's> own libc: bionic. One of my goals in the gnudroid project (which is currently stalled due lack of time) is

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 20:07, Rick Moen wrote: Having the i.MX6 ori.MX8 CPU 'separate' from the baseband controller Does it have to be an mx6 ? okay, open gpu drivers, but perhaps a little bit expensive and produces a lot heat. (a term on which they have not yet elaborated), but the latter remains

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 15:48, Edward Bartolo wrote: The devil's advocate in me tells me, since making money is involved, in the end, history will repeat itself as with what happened with 'user-centredness' in GNU/Linux! Those who have used GNU/Linux for some long time know pretty well with the shoving

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 17:01, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: Sure as far as it the kernel concerns that is true. As soon as you want hardware support for a specific SOC you depend on the hardware manufacturer. Which are not interested in open source and you are already lucky if they even want

Re: [DNG] TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server

On 31.08.2017 16:40, taii...@gmx.com wrote: I doubt it will be owner controlled, as their laptops aren't - they still haven't even gotten a blobbed version of coreboot working (blobbed init code + ME enabled as they insisted on a crappy intel soc) Purism isn't a trustworthy company. Don't

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

On 12.08.2017 22:16, Evilham wrote: As mentioned on IRC, I'm quite near and could lend a hand; where exactly are you located ? --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] donating a host

On 12.08.2017 20:45, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: I suppose 1&1 is some VPS provider? It's on of the largest hosting provider in Germany (probably whole Europe). I've got some physical machines there. I like to get my hands dirty, but for something usefull. So is the intention to

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

On 12.08.2017 18:52, Michael Siegel wrote: There is a pretty big (2500-3000 visitors) Linux/FOSS event taking place in Chemnitz (Germany) in March. It's called Chemnitzer Linux Tage (Chemnitz Linux Days) and has been held annually since 1999. The project's website can be found at

Re: [DNG] donating a host

On 12.08.2017 17:11, lfs.mail...@leloft.co.uk wrote: Hi, Not quite sure what you need, but i've got a couple of i5s that i'm using as backup and are woefully under-employed, so i'd be happy to see them work for their living. I'd need to open the ports for you on the router and on the

Re: [DNG] OpenVZ 6 ready with Devuan 1

On 27.07.2017 17:35, Narcis Garcia wrote: El 27/07/17 a les 09:51, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult ha escrit: On 27.07.2017 06:13, Narcis Garcia wrote: vzquota does in OpenVZ does what LXC doesn't. Sure ? Proxmox somehow manages to do it (via lxc). Maybe look at their code to find out how

Re: [DNG] High level language primitives [ was Please keep 32-bits alive]

On 27.07.2017 08:22, Didier Kryn wrote: At first glance at least, it means that file offsets are managed in the kernel or VFS Of course they are. That's required for any sane multiprocessing implementation. And some files/devices don't even have the notion of a current position (IOW: not

Re: [DNG] OpenVZ 6 ready with Devuan 1

On 26.07.2017 21:15, Adam Borowski wrote: The future is lxc, which has some new tricks, but offers nowhere close to the level of isolation openvz and vserver had. Unprivileged containers aren't bad, but still quite lacking. Whats missing in lxc? --mtx

Re: [DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

On 26.07.2017 09:34, Didier Kryn wrote: All languages wrap libc's API with their own primitives: C wraps unistd's write() within printf() and fwrite() It doesn't just "wrap" it, it calls it in order to achieve some higher functionality. These functions only make sense if you're working

Re: [DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

On 26.07.2017 08:55, Didier Kryn wrote: I totally disagree. Programming low level libc functions and programming a full-featured web browser aren't the same kind of job at all and should be done in neither the same state of mind, nor the same language. Most probably they souldn't be done by

Re: [DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

On 26.07.2017 04:47, Christopher Clements wrote: My high-school programming class was advertised as teaching people how to program in C and do all sorts of low-level stuff. I signed up thinking I might finally meet a "computer expert" that actually knew what they were talking about... The

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

On 23.07.2017 15:16, Florian Zieboll wrote: | The production of a laptop consumes so much energy that for energetic | reasons it is never worthwhile to exchange an old, still functional | device for a new, more energy-efficient device. Funny, as these are exactly the guys who want us to

Re: [DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

On 23.07.2017 08:56, Hendrik Boom wrote: THere's at least one. My laptop runs an Atom processor. It was the first EEEPC that was completely Linux-compatible without requiring any nonfree drivers, and came out anout a year after the first EEEPC. Some more: I'm still running 32bit userland

Re: [DNG] VBScript Injection via GNOME Thumbnailer

On 18.07.2017 08:45, Rick Moen wrote: Strictly speaking, I am reasonably sure it doesn't _depend_ on WINE, but merely use it if it's present. The fact that it silently starts proprietary executables (eg. the windows scripting host), just because they're there, indeed is a huge bug, more

Re: [DNG] Sexual politics and society: [was: Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii, ]

On 18.07.2017 07:48, Fungi4All wrote: Jus'b'cause lots of you want to go to bed with Poetering does not make this a gay distribution Is Lennart a man at all ? :o --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 13.07.2017 16:37, Miroslav Rovis wrote: So true. I'm still banned from Gentoo Forums (also because I never asked to be back; I didn't feel I was to blame in the least). By the way: heared some rumors that some people are banned from this list, too. --mtx

Re: [DNG] kernel drivers [WAS: How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii]

On 12.07.2017 15:23, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 11/07/2017 à 21:22, Jamey Fletcher a écrit : That sounds suspiciously like you're working on the LHC! Or perhaps the VLA... Particle Physics, although not LHC :-) Neutrino Physics. Ah, did you folks find a way for catching large quantities of

Re: [DNG] kernel drivers [WAS: How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii]

On 11.07.2017 19:07, Didier Kryn wrote: The system isn't a server open to the public. It's a kind of industrial process (though it's for fundamental research). Only a limited number of users have an account on the hosts and only members of the vme group are given permission to access the

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 11.07.2017 23:33, Rowland Penny wrote: Yes, there is 'with-systemd' and 'without-systemd', not that either are really needed, the systemd parts will only be built if the systemd development libs are installed. It should be an explicit op-in (in general, I really dislike any autodetect

Re: [DNG] PulseAudio

On 11.07.2017 18:03, Adam Borowski wrote: Because so many upstreams of valuable software not only migrate to it but also make it mandatory. Do you have an example, that currently hits us - then I'll have a look at it. It's all of lennartware, not just systemD. Well, the dbus pest indeed

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 11.07.2017 23:23, Adam Borowski wrote: Uhm, but what's the point in _this_? Samba does the right thing: builds systemdD support if and only if its configure script detected the headers (which can usually also be forced by --enable-foo or --disable-foo). #1: just a little hack while

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 11.07.2017 15:02, Simon Hobson wrote: But it clear from reading comments on any article mentioning > systemd that a great many people really have no idea why > they should care. Just pointing out some fundamental problems (especially on bug or problem reports) and let them learn by own

Re: [DNG] kernel drivers [WAS: How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii]

On 05.07.2017 23:30, Didier Kryn wrote: > And there are a whole menagerie of addressing and transfer protocols, > including chained dma transfers Especially things like DMA are naturally kernel domain. I wouldn't ever allow any direct access to dma controllers from userland. > In our case it

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 11.07.2017 13:55, Simon Hobson wrote: There are (IMO) three things needed : > 1) Have an alternative - ie Devuan. And there're other non-systemd-Distros out there. Just collaborate with them and ignore the others. (we could also set up some tiny patch- sending bots that penetrate nasty

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

On 10.07.2017 23:10, Steve Litt wrote: Remember, we're fighting a huge and well funded opponent, possessing the money to throw at programmers to keep the systemd mess running, as well as money for publicity to counter common sense with neverending bulldroppings. Seen in that context, what we've

Re: [DNG] kernel drivers [WAS: How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii]

On 05.07.2017 06:38, Didier Kryn wrote: Also the API of their driver looked in contradiction with the one of Gabriel Paubert who has been developping a discontinued suite of free VME drivers for Debian. I talked with Gabriel Paubert more than a decade ago because I have been using his

Re: [DNG] A problem with a license

On 05.07.2017 11:56, KatolaZ wrote: DR D1Rs, yesterday I was reviewing a new package made by Daniel Abrecht (DPA), a little library that implements the sd_journal_* functions by redirecting the calls to syslog. The project can be found here: by the way: do we have a list of packages that

Re: [DNG] kernel drivers [WAS: How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii]

On 07/01/17 22:50, Didier Kryn wrote: Precisely, the domain of embedded devices is one where HW vendors write drivers. Most of the time you don't wanna use them. Especially not proprietary ones. Just look eg. at fsl's gpu drivers: totally insecure and harmful. (back when I read their adreno

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

On 07/01/17 21:21, Simon Hobson wrote: In general - none ! So, why not just patching the crap out and filing an upstream bug (incl. notifying the folks here, so we can keep an eye on it) ? --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

[DNG] kernel drivers [WAS: How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii]

On 07/01/17 14:43, Didier Kryn wrote: > They preserve the external API but change all the rest. Yes, that's the way we support zillions of different devices, especially in the embedded world, w/ relatively small efforts (OF was probably one of the most important steps) and still offer good

Re: [DNG] BUG (severe): chromium crashes

On 07/01/17 09:37, Jaromil wrote: chromium uses seccomp sandboxing internally which may fail to run inside a chroot. I run chromium regularly on jessie, also inside firejail (using https://github.com/dyne/tinfoil) so can confirm that at least outside of a chroot it works well. Meanwhile found

[DNG] BUG (severe): chromium crashes

Hi folks, on devuan jessie (in chroot) chromium crashes immediately: (devuan)nekrad@orion:~$ chromium -g --temp-profile cat: /etc/debian_version: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden # Env: # LD_LIBRARY_PATH= # PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games #

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 28.06.2017 01:46, Rick Moen wrote: OK, let's say I just wrote a codebase and declare it to be under GPLv2 licence terms. I haven't yet put it up for download, but am willing to give you a source code instance for €10. Please explain to me why I may not offer to sell you that codebase.

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 28.06.2017 01:24, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (enrico.weig...@gr13.net): wait a second - these grsecurity folks are *selling* kernel patches ? how is that compatible w/ the gpl ? Please explain to me why I may not offer to sell a codebase subject to GPLv[23

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 27.06.2017 11:06, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..there's hope, it would take holding the systemd fanbois to the same standards as the 'clowns' at grsecurity... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/26/linus_torvalds_slams_pure_garbage_from_clowns_at_grsecurity/ wait a second - these grsecurity folks

[DNG] chromium crashing

Hi folks, just installed chromium in an dng jail, and it fails miserably: (devuan)nekrad@orion:~$ chromium cat: /etc/debian_version: No such file or directory [12071:12071:0625/223936.306810:ERROR:browser_main_loop.cc(279)] Gtk: Locale not supported by C library. Using the fallback 'C'

[DNG] GNUdroid [WAS: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii, ]

On 25.06.2017 22:23, Hendrik Boom wrote: > The big question is whether Android still requires a custom Linux > kernel. Last time I checked (>6 month ago), only wakelocks and some other minor (non-critical) stuff was missing from mainline. No idea whether that stuff went in now, but it shouldn't

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 22.06.2017 19:53, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I manage to get a root accout on my phone. But even root only gets > selective access to parts of the file system. And hope you're lucky > when you try to guess the names of the its of file system you are > allowed to access. Google seems to have

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

On 19.06.2017 13:24, KatolaZ wrote: Hi folks, > the main problem with this is that if you want to provide a consistent> > interface to the upper-level userland and to include support for fancy> concepts like "session" and "seat", as systemd aspires to, you must> have control on all the

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