Re: [DNG] Caching leads to unresponsiveness

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-08-11 17:43, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:

Linux uses all available more


Should be "memory", not "more"
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[DNG] Caching leads to unresponsiveness

[Joachim Fahrner]

Linux uses all available more for caching of filesystems. When copying 
large files to slow network filesystems (nfs, smb, sshfs, davfs) it 
takes a long time until such allocated memory becomes free. When these 
network filesystems saturate memory linux becomes very unresponsive. It 
can take minutes to start applications.


Is there a way to limit memory usage of network filesystems?

Jochen

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Re: [DNG] Switching

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-08-05 11:28, schrieb Weaver:


Currently running Debian SID, with separate /, swap, and /home
partitions.
I don't suppose switching is as easy as simply replacing the / 
partition

with a new install, preserving the old data?


Yes it is easy. Choose the same partition layout in the installer, but 
only format the root partition. Disable formatting on the home 
partition. After installation create the users as before, and all should 
work again as before.


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Re: [DNG] flash player for browser

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-26 20:01, schrieb Haines Brown:


So then how do I access the database? The files I need to access are
newspaper images.


You can try Google Chrome (not Chromium). AFAIK that's the only browser 
for Linux that still supports Flash.


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Re: [DNG] Please keep 32-bits alive

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-24 20:34, schrieb Hendrik Boom:


How much source code actually cares whether pointers are 32 or 64 bits?


Clean written code should not care about pointers or integers are 32 or 
64 bit or byte order. Code written in a higher language should run on 
any hardware, otherwise I call it "defect".


And concerning the memory usage: don't forget, mixing 32/64 bit shared 
libraries doubles the memory needs. Sharing of libraries only makes 
sense if they are really shared, otherwise you can link programs static. 
BTW: That's an illness on windows, where every application brings it's 
own "shared" library version x.y, that never becomes really shared.


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Re: [DNG] Devuan lightdm greeter

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-22 09:09, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:

On new devuan Jessie installs there is a nice looking lightdm greeter
(Devuan theme). How can I install this greeter on old installations?


I found it myown. It is not lightdm, it is slim with theme 
devuan-curve-purpy.


Jochen
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[DNG] Devuan lightdm greeter

[Joachim Fahrner]

On new devuan Jessie installs there is a nice looking lightdm greeter 
(Devuan theme). How can I install this greeter on old installations?


Jochen


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[DNG] Extreme mail delay

[Joachim Fahrner]

Since a few days I'm getting very old mails from this list. Below is an
example Header of such a mail. Someone should have a look at the mail
queue at tupac2.dyne.org.

Received by tupac2.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42FD118AB89
 for ; Tue, 25 APR 2017 14:08:05 + (UTC)
Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by tupac2.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A231418F1E1;
Thu, 20 JUL 2017 22:20:26 + (UTC)

===

Return-Path: 
Authentication-Results: server.fahrner.name;
dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key;
unprotected) header.d=na-work-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com
header.i=@na-work-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b=QfFbUmio;
dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy); dkim-atps=neutral
X-policyd-weight: using cached result; rate:hard: -6.1
Received: from tupac2.dyne.org (tupac2.dyne.org [178.62.188.7])
(using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256
bits))
(No client certificate requested)
by server.fahrner.name (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB4C9100DE3
for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:20:29 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from [127.0.1.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by tupac2.dyne.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A231418F1E1;
Thu, 20 Jul 2017 22:20:26 + (UTC)
Authentication-Results: tupac2.dyne.org; dkim=fail
reason="verification failed; unprotected key"
header.d=na-work-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com
header.i=@na-work-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com
header.b=QfFbUmio; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy);
dkim-atps=neutral
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Received: from mail-wm0-f54.google.com (mail-wm0-f54.google.com
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Re: [DNG] WICD & DNS & IPv6

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-19 22:21, schrieb Antony Stone:


Also, "some network problems" is not a very helpful bug report :)

If you're going to say that something doesn't work properly, please at 
least

say *how* it doesn't work properly...


I'm sorry, but I did not have the time to investigate this further. 
There were intermittent connectivity problems. Since they never happened 
with wicd, the easiest way was to switch back to wicd. Intermittent 
connectivity problems are extremely difficult to analyze, because you 
cannot reproduce them on demand. So how would you describe them for a 
bug report?


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Re: [DNG] WICD & DNS & IPv6

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-19 20:48, schrieb KatolaZ:


Which Devuan release are you using?


Jessie


A de-systemd-ised network-manager
is in jessie for sure.


Is this new?
tried it, seems to work, but there are some network problems. Switched 
back to wicd.



If you don't want anybody to change the DNS settings in
/etc/resolv.conf, just:

  # chattr +a /etc/resolv.conf


Thats' great, thanks!
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Re: [DNG] VBScript Injection via GNOME Thumbnailer

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-18 09:39, schrieb Rick Moen:

OTOH, clearly the parser code in /usr/bin/gnome-exe-thumbnailer is
rubbish, as it shouldn't be possible to fool it into processing 
embedded

VBSCript in a filename.


That's the point. All these things made by Poettering, Gnome Team, Read 
Hat ... are rubbish monsters, too complex to make them safe. They put 
all things in they can think of. A thumbnailer that depends on wine! 
Unbelievable! That's no good and clean software.


Jochen

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[DNG] VBScript Injection via GNOME Thumbnailer

[Joachim Fahrner]

Another nice bug in Gnome:
http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/gnome-thumbnailer-msi-fail.html

Jochen


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Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-12 00:00, schrieb Dragan FOSS:

Btw...Linux Is Not UniX ;)


Then replace "unix" in my post with "un*x" ;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix-like

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[DNG] What is GNU/Linux?

[Joachim Fahrner]

My understanding is, that Linux is the kernel, and GNU is the userland. 
Is systemd part of GNU/Linux? If not, how do we call a systemd Linux?


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Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-11 20:35, schrieb Dragan FOSS:

Do you want to say that devuan users do not need any upstream that
recommends systemd?
For example, Postgresql?
***
With PostgreSQL 9.6 or newer, it is recommended to build with
--with-systemd and use the unit file shown in the documentation...
***
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Systemd


And what recommends Postgresql for BSD systems? "Don't install it"?

Free unix software should run on ANY unix system, not only 
Poetteringware.


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Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-09 17:10, schrieb Edward Bartolo:


I have been running Devuan since August of two years ago, and I do not
regret it. Being forced to do Linux the way seen from above, would
have definitely killed my motivation to use a different OS completely.
Devuan is giving me freedom; Devuan is not only about init freedom,
but much much more. Devuan is about placing users' freedom at the
heart of software design. Devuan is not about advertising a product
that users must accept. If it were for that, its creation would have
been useless.


I totally agree with Edward. I feel also being a Unix Veteran. My first 
steps were with SCO Unix, Kodaks Interactive Unix, Suns Solaris and 
CDC's EP/IX, long before existence of Linux.


I don't mind if its now called Linux or *BSD. Important is, that it's a 
open and free Unix compatible operating system. Red Hat and Mr. 
Poettering are trying (with success) to make Linux a monolithic and 
proprietary system like Windows is. This is not Unix, and this is not 
software freedom.


My heart beats for BSD systems, but I'm using Linux because many 
applications I need are not available for BSD (vmware, drivers for chip 
card readers for onlne banking, and so on). But when Linux goes Windows 
(with systemd), that's not my OS. I hope that Devuan will win the fight, 
and keep Linux a free and open OS.

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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-05 11:51, schrieb Rick Moen:

Glad to hear it!


I've been too early pleased - problem still exists. I now forward 
dyne.org to Google DNS.


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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-05 10:47, schrieb Rick Moen:

   edns-buffer-size: 
  ...
  tation  reassembly  problems,  usually  seen as timeouts, 
then a

  value of 1480 can fix it.



I did some more tests (ping ns.dyne.org with different packet sizes) and 
found that 1480 is still to large. The limit is somewhere between 1460 
and 1480. I now use 1400 for the buffer-size.


Jochen
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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-05 10:47, schrieb Rick Moen:


   edns-buffer-size: 
  Number of bytes size to advertise as the EDNS reassembly 
buffer
  size.   This  is  the  value put into datagrams over UDP 
towards
  peers.  The actual buffer size is determined by 
msg-buffer-size
  (both  for  TCP  and  UDP).   Do not set higher than that 
value.
  Default is 4096 which is RFC recommended.  If you have 
fragmen-
  tation  reassembly  problems,  usually  seen as timeouts, 
then a

  value of 1480 can fix it.


Looks like that solved it. Same problem is described here:
https://serverfault.com/questions/405650/why-are-these-udp-packets-being-dropped

Large udp packets are dropped on its way.

But shouldn't DNSSEC use tcp instead of udp?

Jochen
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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-05 09:43, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:


Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: NSEC3s for the
referral proved no DS.


Could it be that my problem has to do with DNSSEC?
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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-05 09:24, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:


I now increased unbounds verbosity and see if there is further
information in the log.


Some more info. unbounds verbosity level is now 2. I did a "dig 
tupac2.dyne.org", which had a timeout.

This is in the log:

Jul  5 09:37:29 server unbound: [22751:0] info: resolving 
tupac2.dyne.org. A IN
Jul  5 09:37:29 server unbound: [22751:0] info: resolving ns2.dyne.org. 
A IN
Jul  5 09:37:29 server unbound: [22751:0] info: resolving ns3.dyne.org. 
A IN
Jul  5 09:37:29 server unbound: [22751:0] info: resolving ns.dyne.org. A 
IN
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: resolving ns.dyne.org. A 
IN
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: response for 
ns.dyne.org. A IN
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: reply from  
199.249.120.1#53
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: query response was 
REFERRAL
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: response for 
ns.dyne.org. A IN
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: reply from  
178.21.114.142#53
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: query response was 
ANSWER
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: response for 
tupac2.dyne.org. A IN
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: reply from  
188.166.98.127#53
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: query response was 
ANSWER
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: NSEC3s for the referral 
proved no DS.
Jul  5 09:37:46 server unbound: [22751:0] info: Verified that unsigned 
response is INSECURE
Jul  5 09:37:57 server unbound: [22751:0] info: response for 
ns3.dyne.org. A IN
Jul  5 09:37:57 server unbound: [22751:0] info: reply from  
188.166.98.127#53
Jul  5 09:37:57 server unbound: [22751:0] info: query response was 
ANSWER
Jul  5 09:37:57 server unbound: [22751:0] info: response for 
ns2.dyne.org. A IN
Jul  5 09:37:57 server unbound: [22751:0] info: reply from  
188.166.98.127#53
Jul  5 09:37:57 server unbound: [22751:0] info: query response was 
ANSWER



The response from dyne.org took 9 seconds!

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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-05 09:08, schrieb Rick Moen:

So, in general terms, I certainly encourage your approach.  It's not
obvious from present evidence why you are getting timeouts querying 
your

local recursive nameserver.  You'll have to do further diagnosis
locally.  (Lacking any better ideas at the moment, I'd say maybe start
by looking at Unbound's log files.)


There are no errors in the unbound log. And I'm wondering why these 
timeouts are only with dyne.org. I never had such failures with other 
domains since years. Maybe there is a problem in my providers network, 
but then that should happen with ANY domain, not only dyne.org.


I now increased unbounds verbosity and see if there is further 
information in the log.


Jochen
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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-05 08:51, schrieb Rick Moen:

I believe you said that you are running an instance of Unbound as a
local recursive nameserver.  If so, I hope you are listing it first in
/etc/resolv.conf (perhaps by localhost IP).  Anyway, that's where you
should start looking, to find your problem.


That's right. And my local unbound is the only nameserver in 
/etc/resolv.conf


I cannot use other nameservers because my postfix queries some RBLs that 
allow only limited numbers of queries (they are free for personal use, 
but costs for commercial use).


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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-05 00:18, schrieb Rick Moen:

On a quick, broad check, dyne.org DNS seems robust.

There are three network-diverse authoritative nameservers (refreshing 
to

see after observing far too many domains attempting to get by with two,
when RFCs require 3-7 auth nameservers[1]), all returning correct
responses on both UDP and TCP.  The SOA EXPIRE value (86400 seconds) is
too short.  RFC 1912 section 2.2 suggests a value between 1209600 and
2419200.


You are right, the configuration seems ok. A good checking tool is 
IntoDNS:

https://intodns.com/dyne.org
They mention the same, SOA EXPIRE value is too low.

By now it comes apparent that timeouts from the dns servers are the 
problem:


--
$ dig tupac2.dyne.org

; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-9+deb8u11-Debian <<>> tupac2.dyne.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

$ dig tupac2.dyne.org

; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-9+deb8u11-Debian <<>> tupac2.dyne.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 37556
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;tupac2.dyne.org.INA

;; ANSWER SECTION:
tupac2.dyne.org.300INA178.62.188.7

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
dyne.org.900INNSns.dyne.org.
dyne.org.900INNSns2.dyne.org.
dyne.org.900INNSns3.dyne.org.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns.dyne.org.300INA188.166.98.127
ns2.dyne.org.300INA198.199.70.248
ns3.dyne.org.300INA178.21.114.142

;; Query time: 657 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Tue Jul 04 17:22:16 CEST 2017
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 161
--

Can the short SOA EXPIRE be the cause?

Jochen


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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-04 18:27, schrieb Alessandro Selli:

  I'm afraid this has to do with the DNS server you're using (;; 
SERVER:

127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1), that is), as I get these values:



Enter "dyne.org" here: http://www.dnsqueries.com/en/dns_lookup.php and 
select "ALL". That delivers the same results than my dns server. That 
seems location dependend, so I assume this is delivered through a CDN.


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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-04 18:27, schrieb Alessandro Selli:
  I'm afraid this has to do with the DNS server you're using (;; 
SERVER:

127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1), that is), as I get these values:

[alessandro@draco ~]$ dig tupac2.dyne.org

; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-9+deb8u11-Debian <<>> tupac2.dyne.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 19560
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 6

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;tupac2.dyne.org.   IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
tupac2.dyne.org.300 IN  A   178.62.188.7

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
dyne.org.   86400   IN  NS  ns2.dyne.org.
dyne.org.   86400   IN  NS  ns3.dyne.org.
dyne.org.   86400   IN  NS  ns.dyne.org.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns.dyne.org.86400   IN  A   188.166.98.127
ns.dyne.org.86400   IN  2a03:b0c0:2:d0::95:e001
ns2.dyne.org.   86400   IN  A   198.199.70.248
ns2.dyne.org.   86400   IN  
2604:a880:400:d0::27:4001

ns3.dyne.org.   86400   IN  A   178.21.114.142

;; Query time: 1041 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Tue Jul 04 18:19:43 CEST 2017
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 217

[alessandro@draco ~]$

  Which is consistent with the domain's value of 86400 for the EXPIRE 
SOA

record:

[alessandro@draco ~]$ host -t SOA dyne.org
dyne.org has SOA record ns.dyne.org. root.dyne.org. 2017062500 7200 
3600

86400 900
[alessandro@draco ~]$


Strange. Is there some CDN in between?

$ dig @198.199.70.248 tupac2.dyne.org

; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-9+deb8u11-Debian <<>> @198.199.70.248 tupac2.dyne.org
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 51709
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;tupac2.dyne.org.   IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
tupac2.dyne.org.300 IN  A   178.62.188.7

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
dyne.org.   900 IN  NS  ns3.dyne.org.
dyne.org.   900 IN  NS  ns2.dyne.org.
dyne.org.   900 IN  NS  ns.dyne.org.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns.dyne.org.300 IN  A   188.166.98.127
ns2.dyne.org.   300 IN  A   198.199.70.248
ns3.dyne.org.   300 IN  A   178.21.114.142

;; Query time: 87 msec
;; SERVER: 198.199.70.248#53(198.199.70.248)
;; WHEN: Tue Jul 04 19:00:09 CEST 2017
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 161

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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-04 15:37, schrieb Alessandro Selli:



  I really wonder what did mxtoolbox.com check, as I cannot see what 
dns.org

and shockmedia.com have to do with dyne.org:


That's strange. Something in my test changed dyne.org magically to 
dns.org. But that was not me, I used cut ;-)


The only explanation I have is, that sometimes there is overload at 
dyne.org dns servers. The TTL values are really low and prevent mostly 
caching.


$ dig tupac2.dyne.org

; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-9+deb8u11-Debian <<>> tupac2.dyne.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached

$ dig tupac2.dyne.org

; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-9+deb8u11-Debian <<>> tupac2.dyne.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 37556
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;tupac2.dyne.org.   IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
tupac2.dyne.org.300 IN  A   178.62.188.7

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
dyne.org.   900 IN  NS  ns.dyne.org.
dyne.org.   900 IN  NS  ns2.dyne.org.
dyne.org.   900 IN  NS  ns3.dyne.org.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns.dyne.org.300 IN  A   188.166.98.127
ns2.dyne.org.   300 IN  A   198.199.70.248
ns3.dyne.org.   300 IN  A   178.21.114.142

;; Query time: 657 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
;; WHEN: Tue Jul 04 17:22:16 CEST 2017
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 161



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Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-04 12:46, schrieb Alessandro Selli:
I still think it's a bug that systemd runs a process as root when 
adduser is
configured to prevent creation of a user with a given name but such a 
user

does exist.


Next step probably will be to supersede unix user management and 
integrate it into systemd :-D

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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-04 09:39, schrieb Joachim Fahrner:

Could it be that dyne.org name servers have temporary connection 
problems?


When checking dns for tupac2.dyne.org I get 1 error and 3 warnings:

https://mxtoolbox.com/domain/tupac2.dns.org/

E https dns.org The Certificate has a name mismatch
E dns   dns.org Primary Name Server Not Listed At Parent
E dmarc dns.org DNS Record not found
E spf   dns.org DNS Record not found
W dns   dns.org Bad Glue Detected
W dns   dns.org Local NS list does not match Parent NS list
W dns   dns.org Name Servers are on the Same Subnet
W smtp  mail.shockmedia.com Reverse DNS does not contain the hostname
W smtp  mail.shockmedia.com Reverse DNS does not match SMTP Banner
W smtp  mail.shockmedia.com 5.639 seconds - Warning on Connection time
W smtp 	mail.shockmedia.com 	12.520 seconds - Not good! on Transaction 
Time

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Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-03 22:27, schrieb Gregory Nowak:


I'm not seeing this here, and the A record for tupac2.dyne.org
resolves correctly. Could there be a DNS issue on your end perhaps?


Normally name resolution works fine, and tupac2.dyne.org is the only 
server with such errors in my postfix log.

I'm using unbound on Devuan as a local caching recursive dns server.
Could it be that dyne.org name servers have temporary connection 
problems?

I just did several tries and got:


$ host tupac2.dyne.org
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
$ host tupac2.dyne.org
tupac2.dyne.org has address 178.62.188.7

BTW: why is the TTL so short (300 secs)? Maybe that's a problem?

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[DNG] Listserver configuration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Hello,
I get lots of those errors in my postfix log:

Jul  3 18:09:16 server postfix/smtpd[2840]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 
tupac2.dyne.org[178.62.188.7]: 450 4.7.1 : Helo command 
rejected: Host not found; from= 
to= proto=ESMTP helo=


Is there some configuration problem with the list mail server?

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Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-03 17:34, schrieb dev:
useradd and adduser work differently. One allows it, the other does 
not.

Just thought 'why not make them work the same?'. That's all.


That's right, that's a bug. They should work the same, and they should 
follow POSIX-rules, not Poettering-rules.


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Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-07-03 16:08, schrieb dev:

Sounds like a "won't fix", too:

  "So, yeah, I don't think there's anything to fix in systemd here."
   - Poettering

Not sure what's more troubling here[1]; the lack of concern, the
digression from POSIX, or the bug/backdoor itself. Maybe all three.

useradd 0day works on Devuan. adduser 0day does not. Which is correct?


According to POSIX:
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap03.html#tag_03_437

the only restriction is, the name should not begin with a hyphen.

Some systems have more restrictions, but that is not a must.
http://www.circlingcycle.com.au/fun-projects/IEEE-Std-1003.1-2001-and-valid-characters-usernames.html

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Re: [DNG] How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-30 19:16, schrieb Steve Litt:


Would it be possible for you to install OpenRC from upstream source? I
know that's easily doable with runit or s6, but I know little about
OpenRC.


I'm wondering why there are lots of discussions about init systems. What 
is wrong with sysv init? My notebook is booting (from ssd) within 8 
seconds. Nothing I would complain about.


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Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-30 07:53, schrieb Alessandro Selli:

  Maybe it's me, but what the hell is a DNS resolver doing inside an 
init

system?


systemd is _NOT_ an init system. That's a mythos. Systemd started as an 
init system, but evolved step-by-step to a monolithic low level Linux 
userland. It's driven by Red Hat to make money out of supporting their 
development.


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Re: [DNG] reverse-engineering systemd is fighting strategic incompetence.

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-27 16:02, schrieb Steve Litt:


I know if I were a real programmer...


real programmers can write Fortran programs in ANY language ;-)
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Re: [DNG] Eye candy: I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-22 18:34, schrieb Steve Litt:

I very well could be insane, but I've always thought that Windowmaker
is extremely beautiful. I don't understand Windowmaker, and I can't get
it to do what I need, but when it comes to eye candy, I find 
Windowmaker

the best. Windowmaker is also lightweight, and as far as I know, it has
no association with either systemd or dbus.


I often heard good things about windowmaker and tried it serveral times, 
but gave up some minutes after installing it. The themes are made for 
people living in a cave. All dark and making me depressing.


Are there windowmaker themes for normal people, not living in the dark?

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Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-21 14:44, schrieb KatolaZ:

Steve Jobs understood that users must be won with eyecandies, and on
that side we will never be able to beat Apple.


That's very right, but you missed 2 points: Apple makes this eyecandy 
not only in software, but also in hardware. And they made their product 
a status symbol. These 3 points, software, hardware, status symbol made 
Apple success. This will never happen with Gnome on Linux and some 0815 
hardware.


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Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-20 20:38, schrieb Hendrik Boom:

We have enough work being an "ugly" "third party workaround" for 
Debian.


:-D
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Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-20 18:58, schrieb KatolaZ:

What could be relevant is that, as several people have already pointed
out, GNOME 3 is still available for platforms in which systemd is not
present (e.g., FreeBSD: https://www.freebsd.org/gnome/). The main
problem in having "that" GNOME 3 in Devuan is the availability of a
sufficient number (which I cannot quantify, but would probably be >1)
of maintainers who are willing to delve into the FreeBSD port, and
transform that huge thing into a viable set of deb packages which play
well with the stuff currently present in Devuan (ascii?
beowulf?). This is totally doable, if people really want GNOME 3 in
Devuan.


I disagree. This should be a task for gnome developers, if they want to 
be compatible with non-systemd systems (FreeBSD, Devuan...). If they 
don't, then forget Gnome. ANY developer outside of the gnome team will 
ALWAYS be behind the actual development, resulting in unstable ports. I 
would not accept such ugly "third party workarounds".


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Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Joachim Fahrner]

Hi Didier,

Am 2017-06-19 12:10, schrieb Didier Kryn:


I'm allways surprised when people seem to find Gnome is
compelling. I never found it compelling. A dozen years ago I moved to
KDE, because Gnome was so ugly. Later I turned back to Gnome when KDE
went crazy; then Gnome-3 went mental also and I switched to Gnome-2,
and then Xfce4. My children told me recently the Linux we have at home
seems much simpler than those of some of their friends. I'm not sure
they consider this a compliment, but I'm happy with it because
simplicity is a quality for me and the complexity of other DEs is
neither usefull nor pleasant, just exasperating.


If you like it simple (like me) try https://www.bunsenlabs.org/
It uses only openbox nd tint2, and can be easily turned into Devuan 
based.

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Re: [DNG] what looks for gsettings?

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-19 00:41, schrieb Haines Brown:


When I boot, just before the log in prompt is the message:

  "-bash: gsettings: command not found"


Most system scripts are located in /etc. Try searching for it there 
with:


find /etc -type f | xargs fgrep gsettings
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Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-18 12:08, schrieb info at smallinnovations dot nl:


Expanding to that we can even make a libsystemd0 that actually works
with any init system (except systemd) for all relevant init parts and
to all other calls answering that systemd is not present.


I think most of you are wrong about what systemd is and about 
libsystemd0.
systemd is not not only an init system, it is expanding to a whole eco 
system around the linux kernel, creating apis for everything you can 
think of. It creates a monolithic closed systems like windows is.
No normal application should depend on some init system. Init systems 
purpose is to bring systems up, starting background daemons. NOTHING 
ELSE!


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Re: [DNG] An option should be provided in the installer for avahi and friends

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-16 02:10, schrieb taii...@gmx.com:


"rpc.statd A daemon that listens for reboot notifications from other
hosts, and manages the list of hosts to be notified when the local
system reboots"

I see no reason as to why this should be turned on or even installed
by default


rpc.statd is part of nfs-common, and is necessary for nfs to work. You 
can search for packages that installed this with "aptitude why 
nfs-common". Maybe it was installed as optional package and can be 
removed if you don't need nfs.



and the same goes for avahi


avahi is not installed on my system. You can search which package 
installed it with "dpkg -S ", and then "aptitude why 
"


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Re: [DNG] Onscreen keyboard

[Joachim Fahrner]

Hi Hendrik, 

I tried several keyboards, but most are very buggy. matchbox-keyboard is
in the Jessie repository and is the one that works almost, but it's not
very usable. It's not configurable and always starts in a tiny window
and has to be resized before it can be used. 

Florence is nice, but is in some way in conflict with openbox or tint2.
When Florence is running, the panel is dead. 

Am 2017-06-07 16:23, schrieb aitor_czr:

> Hi Joachim, El 07/06/17 a las 14:00, Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> 
> escribió:
> 
> On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 02:41:04PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> can someone recommend an onscreen keyboard (for use in tablet mode) with low
> dependencies and no systemd?
> 
> There used to be one that was part of X.  Is it still around?
> 
> -- hendrik

Hi found this one:

https://github.com/Xlab/matchbox-keyboard

You need to install *libfakekey-dev*

After building the sources, it didn't work for me at the first time. But
doing a symlink in "/usr/share" pointing to
"/usr/local/share/matchbox-keyboard" it worked.

Here you are a screenshot:

http://gnuinos.org/matchbox-keyboard.png

Appearently, the snag is its limitation in respect of configuration
(only for US keyboards).

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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-07 17:09, schrieb Emiliano Marini:

Not viable on most VPS providers, specially if they use OpenVZ or 
custom kernels/filesystems on the VMs. That's only possible under a 
full virtualisation platform.




Look for a hoster that uses KVM. Here in Germany there are lots of them.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan ready VPS?

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-06-07 16:12, schrieb Emiliano Marini:


Hi all,

I wonder if there is already any VPS provider supporting Devuan?


You can rent a VPS with Debian and migrate to Devuan following this 
guide:

https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan

I did this with my VPS.
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[DNG] Onscreen keyboard

[Joachim Fahrner]

Hi all,
can someone recommend an onscreen keyboard (for use in tablet mode) with 
low dependencies and no systemd?


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Re: [DNG] git.devuan.org migration

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-05-17 09:41, schrieb Jaromil:

As we go forward extending Devuan's infrastructure, we kindly ask
everyone interested in supporting this project to consider running a
server for one of the many services we have running.


I have some disk space and bandwidth left on my server (running Devuan 
;-). Is there some documentation how to contribute to the project?


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Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-05-15 06:36, schrieb Steve Litt:

Perhaps not in De**an, but in other distros, I've seen things go to
hell in a handbasket when trying to upgrade to the next major version.


I think here is a little bit confusion about what a "dist-upgrade" is 
and does.
It *can* be used for upgrade to a new major release, but in this case I 
also would prefer a clean new install. But with De**an stable this is 
only necessary every 2 years, not every 6 months as you stated.
A normal "upgrade" does not update packages with changed dependencies. 
It does not install new packages automatically. If an upgrade needs to 
install new packages because of changed dependencies, you have to use 
dist-upgrade, or rest with outdated packages. I never heard of a broken 
system when doing a dist-upgrade in the same stable release. "upgrade" 
is good for doing unattended upgrades, whereas "dist-upgrade" lets you 
view the changes and decide if you want install the new packages or keep 
the old package version.
A good example is the latest change from icedove to thunderbird. There 
is a valid reason to keep icedove, because thunderbird has some side 
effects on enigmail and iceowl, both are made for icedove. When 
upgrading to thunderbird, you have to remove enigmail and iceowl and 
install them from Mozillas addon repositories. Mozillas enigmail addon 
needs gnupg2 to be installed. So it's good to keep icedove until you are 
not in hurry and can make the necessary changes for thunderbird.


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Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-05-14 08:23, schrieb KatolaZ:


again, there is nothing to fear in dist-upgrade...


That's right. I'm using Debian/Devuan since many years and never had a 
problem with dist-upgrade. I'm wondering about this myth that 
dist-upgrade could break something. dist-upgrade has the same effect as 
if you would do a new install today. Why should packages be broken just 
today? (assuming you are using stable).


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[DNG] sane-utils depends on libsystemd0

[Joachim Fahrner]

I found another package that depends on libsystemd0: sane-utils.
Would it be difficult to remove this dependency, or is there a valid 
reason for having this?


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Re: [DNG] GTK3 and systemd

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-05-04 17:22, schrieb Radagast:

Now that you mention it, I recall I read somewhere that GTK2 is still
receiving secrity updates. So, that might be an option...


I would also vote for gtk2. gtk3 ist strictly bound to Gnome 3 and 
changes every few days, breaking current themes.


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Re: [DNG] devuan install experience

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-04-26 21:37, schrieb Bruce Perens:

Devuan Jessie installed without an issue on my Panasonic Toughbook 
CF-19. The main user experience issue so far is that it doesn't seem to 
install any way to handle wifi, and WICD doesn't seem ready for prime 
time as a WiFi manager.


wicd works fine on my thinkpad t61 and x230. The problem with wifi often 
is some firmware missing. Look at dmesg if firmware is loaded for your 
wifi chip.



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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-04-17 17:11, schrieb goli...@dyne.org:


 "maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix experience"

LOL!


My favourite rant was from Linus Torvalds:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/05/torvalds_sievers_dust_up/

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Re: [DNG] Why I don't want to have Pöttersoft on my system

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-04-17 11:18, schrieb Klaus Ethgen:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA512

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644

No further comment needed.

Have fun reading. (Found on popular fefe blog)


ROTFL

Stupid question: why does systemd implement a rm command? They sold us 
systemd as an init sytem.


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Re: [DNG] grub background image

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-04-10 00:39, schrieb fsmithred:

desktop-base is supposed to handle that, but it's not cooperating. You 
can

bypass it by adding the following (one) line to /etc/default/grub

GRUB_THEME=/usr/share/desktop-base/grub-themes/desktop-grub-them/theme.txt


Thank you for that hint.
The correct entry is:
GRUB_THEME=/usr/share/desktop-base/grub-themes/devuan/theme.txt

This is a very nice grub theme. I'm wondering why this is not set in the 
default installation?


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Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-04-13 04:32, schrieb Hendrik Boom:

Devuan is about choice.  Therefore, it should make available (1) the
choice to do without systemd and (2) the choice to use systemd.


This is impossible with a binary distribution. systemd is not only an 
init system, it pervades the whole system. You can either compile 
packages with systemd libraries or without. But you have to decide that 
at compile time.


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Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-04-10 00:39, schrieb Daniel Abrecht:

I think automatically mounting thumb drives is very different from
mounting them when I klick on them in my file manager. Things like
automatically mounting removable medias or even auto starting
applications, I don't want that.


I also don't like automount on usb drives. I like to see them appear 
automatically in the filemanager, mount them as needed with a single 
click, and unmount them also with a single click to remove them.


For drives that should automount (such as NAS) I use autofs.

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[DNG] grub background image

[Joachim Fahrner]

Hi,
how is the grub background image set on Devuan? I'm missing a background 
image, I have only the default blue background in grub.


I studied /etc/grub.d/05_debian_themes, but there are lots of variables 
I don't know.

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Re: [DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-04-09 10:43, schrieb Florian Zieboll:


I use spacefm. With some config-tweaking it is a perfect (and much more
flexible) replacement for pcmanfm and alike:


Thanks for that hint. SpaceFM in conjunction with udevil is great. So I 
can get rid of this ugly gvfs. gfvs is broken by design, because it 
creates a ~/.gvfs directory which is not accessible by root. So every 
backup tool fails when accessing this directory.


It is untypical for Unix systems that root cannot access everything on 
the local machine. I'm wondering how they achieve that, it should not be 
possible at all.


I feel more and more that the Gnome devs have no basic understanding of 
unix systems.


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[DNG] gvfs depends on libsystemd0

[Joachim Fahrner]

Hi,
how can I get rid of libsystemd0? gvfs depends on it, and without gvfs 
PCmanFM does not mount external usb drives. Is there a way to user mount 
external drives without gvfs?


Jochen


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Re: [DNG] files.devua.org cert expired

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-04-07 14:10, schrieb Miroslav Rovis:


Is this being worked on, because this is still the case?

And it's very ugly... What users see in their browsers is the usual
awful, hidious warning


I'm wondering why they don't use Letsencrypt and use certbot for 
automatic renewal.

https://certbot.eff.org/

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[DNG] No action on lid close with xfce4-power-manager

[Joachim Fahrner]

I have a simple openbox desktop and installed xfce4-power-manager. It 
handles most events fine (battery, brightness) but there is no action on 
lid close. The net is full of those reports, but most have to do with 
systemd/logind, which we don't have on Devuan.

Any ideas what could be wrong in Devuan?

Btw: what are all these files under /etc/systemd/system directory? What 
does a /etc/systemd on Devuan???


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Re: [DNG] Error: could not find a distribution template for Devuan/jessie

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-03-29 13:11, schrieb Héctor A. Abreu:


deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/hollywood/ppa/ubuntu jessie main
# deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/hollywood/ppa/ubuntu jessie main



Err http://ppa.launchpad.net jessie/main i386 Packages

  404  Not Found


Lauchnpad PPAs are for Ubuntu, not for Debian or Devuan. I would not 
recomment to use these.
You can try to download a .deb package for Trusty, install it with dpgk 
and see if it works.


Jochen
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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Now I compiled the latest version from git with symbols and did a 
backtrace under gdb:


Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0xaa5c5a00 in ?? ()
(gdb) backtrace
#0  0xaa5c5a00 in ?? ()
#1  0xfffb in ?? ()
#2  0xae3d99c0 in ?? ()
#3  0xaa5c59eb in ?? ()
#4  0xabc51f1c in ?? ()
#5  0xb50b298b in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#6  0xb50b298b in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#7  0xb50b2aaf in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#8  0xb50b298b in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#9  0xb50b298b in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#10 0xb50b298b in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#11 0xb50af3e9 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#12 0xb504b806 in JSC::JITCode::execute(JSC::VM*, JSC::ProtoCallFrame*, 
JSC::Register*) () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#13 0xb502993f in JSC::Interpreter::executeCall(JSC::ExecState*, 
JSC::JSObject*, JSC::CallType, JSC::CallData const&, JSC::JSValue, 
JSC::ArgList const&) () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#14 0xb516d234 in JSC::call(JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSValue, 
JSC::CallType, JSC::CallData const&, JSC::JSValue, JSC::ArgList const&) 
() from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0.so.0
#15 0xb62d2a86 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#16 0xb64a9b3d in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#17 0xb64a9ffe in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#18 0xb64bb96d in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#19 0xb64a38d4 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#20 0xb64a5bd2 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#21 0xb64bf145 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#22 0xb646ede5 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#23 0xb66a2e8c in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#24 0xb66cf3d4 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#25 0xb66a9540 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#26 0xb66a9591 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#27 0xb66abfd5 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#28 0xb66a9abf in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#29 0xb66acc22 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#30 0xb66accd1 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#31 0xb67facbf in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#32 0xb67faa76 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#33 0xb6807838 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#34 0xb6865976 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#35 0xb685b005 in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
#36 0xb70d972d in ?? () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0

#37 0xb549a9f5 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0
#38 0xb54c12e7 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0
#39 0xb54c131b in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgio-2.0.so.0
#40 0xb4c38510 in ?? () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#41 0xb4c3bcc3 in g_main_context_dispatch () from 
/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0

#42 0xb4c3c0d9 in ?? () from /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#43 0xb4c3c489 in g_main_loop_run () from 
/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0
#44 0xb5b9b1b5 in gtk_main () from 
/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0

#45 0x0804f5aa in main ()
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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 18.03.2017 um 23:41 schrieb Steve Litt:

> 64 bit, and it's Surf 0.7. 

That confirms my theory that only 32 bit systems are affected.
Do you have a 32 bit system at hand and can proove that?

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-03-18 18:18, schrieb Steve Litt:

I was hoping I could reproduce your problem. My Surf is no angel, it
sometimes hangs and sometimes vanishes, but it pulled up that website
perfectly.


Hi Steve,
is your system 32-bit or 64-bit? I think the issue is 32-bit related.

Jochen

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 18.03.2017 um 13:01 schrieb Ralph Ronnquist:
> Maybe. It works for me on amd64, and seg-faults on i386. It's surf
> version 0.6; the standard apt-get gotten package for both.
> Devuan Jessie beta2.
>
> gdb (without symbols) points at an attempted call to 0xfffb

Looks like some data type mismatch in some C function call. Maybe the
problem is in webkit?

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Re: [DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 18.03.2017 um 10:32 schrieb KatolaZ:
>
> it loads fine over here.
>
> $ surf -v
> surf-0.7, ©2009-2015 surf engineers, see LICENSE for details
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>
>

ok, I tried it on some other pc (amd64), there it works without
segmentation fault. Maybe it's an issue with i386?

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[DNG] surf segmentation fault

[Joachim Fahrner]

Please can someone try to load http://www.dhl.de with surf?
I get a segmentation fault when opening this page.
That happens woth both, the version from stable and the version from 
backports.


Regards
Jochen

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Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-03-15 02:37, schrieb Steve Litt:


Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of
people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt
on it please.


Mee too.
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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-03-14 12:34, schrieb Brad Campbell:


+10 for privoxy. Does a great job of ad-removal for me and one
instance does the whole house :)


I agree, privoxy is really fine. I consider using it for my old Asus 
eeePC. This netbook is a bit too slow with chromium.

But there is one problem and I don't know at the moment how to solve it:
I'm using "Proxy SwitchyOmega" to use TOR on some sites (I don't want 
social networks to store my ip on every posted message). So I have rules 
to route some traffic over TOR and other goes direct to inet.


Privoxy can also forward traffic to TOR, but my knowledge is that this 
forwarding cannot be domain-based.


Any ideas, how I could use surf and route traffic domain based through 
Privoxy+TOR or Privoxy+DirectConnection?


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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-03-13 22:13, schrieb Steve Litt:

A bad idea, because your browser expects some sort of response.
It's better to replace unwanted content with a small transparent gif.


How do you do that?


You can use pixelserv on some machine in your network that is always on, 
or simply run it on localhost.

https://www.snbforums.com/threads/pixelserv-a-better-one-pixel-webserver-for-adblock.26114/

Here is a solution for Tomato routers:
http://www.linksysinfo.org/index.php?threads/script-clean-lean-and-mean-adblocking.68464/

Another nice adblocking solution is privoxy with the easylist filters.
https://projects.zubr.me/wiki/adblock2privoxy

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Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 2017-03-12 19:10, schrieb goli...@dyne.org:


Can any of these alternative adblocking tools block elements within a
page?  AdblockPlus allows for that and I use it almost every day.


What do you mean with "elements wihin a page"? Every ad is loaded 
through a url, and if the host of this url is blocked, the url cannot 
load.


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Re: [DNG] Debian becomes sorry state of broken distribution.

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 24.02.2017 um 21:09 schrieb Hughe Chung:
>
> I wanted to run Android-x86 6.0 on a virtual machine. After trying to
> install three versions of VirtulBox, the oldest version 4.3 from
> wheezy-backports was successful with kernel 3.16. Out of nine
> combinations, I managed to find one working one fortunately: 3.16
> kernel with virtualbox 4.3.
>

Don't blame Debian, blame Virtualbox. Try VMware Workstation Player.
Long time ago I switched from Virtualbox to VMware, because it was so buggy.

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[DNG] Devuan on Odroid C2

[Joachim Fahrner]

I just installed Devuan on Odroid C2 with success.

Install Maverics Debian Jessie:

http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=19403

Then follow this guide:

https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181


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[DNG] libsystemd0 dependencies

[Joachim Fahrner]

Hi all,

I tried to remove libsystemd0 but I found 2 packages depend on
libsystemd0: php5-fpm and transmission-daemon.

Is there a reason why these packages need libsystemd?

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Re: [DNG] Backports priority

[Joachim Fahrner]

Hello Florian,


Am 28.01.2017 um 12:33 schrieb Florian Zieboll:
> to avoid accidents like this, I have the following lines in my apt
> preferences:
>
>Package: *
>Pin: release a=jessie-backports
>Pin-Priority: 150
>
>

I know that, but I was used this is a default in Debian. In Devuan this
is not a default, so I accidently upgraded ALL packages :-(

https://wiki.debianforum.de/Backports

/"Man braucht dabei (seit Squeeze) keine Angst mehr vor unerwarteten
Aktualisierungen haben, da keine Backports automatisch installiert
werden"/


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Re: [DNG] Backports priority

[Joachim Fahrner]

Am 28.01.2017 um 11:08 schrieb Adam Borowski:
> Temporarily bump the priority of stable above 1000, it will downgrade
> everything to that release.
>

Thank you! That works great, except downgrading of mysql-server from 5.6
to 5.5 was not possible. Maybe there is something incompatible in
database format.
After downgrade I had to install mysql-server from backports to make it
work again.

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[DNG] Backports priority

[Joachim Fahrner]

Hi,

I added Devuan backports and now a lot of packages were upgraded to the
new bpo version. Normally Debian backports should have a priority of 100
and should not automatically upgrade. What is wrong here?

Is there an easy way to downgrade packages to the stable version?

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