Re: [DNG] Adjusting LCD backlight in XFCE4

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Lars Noodén <lars.noo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 05/17/2017 06:08 PM, Rob Owens wrote: > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Lars Noodén <lars.noo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> On 05/04/2017 03:42 PM, Lars Noodén wr

Re: [DNG] Adjusting LCD backlight in XFCE4

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 05/04/2017 03:42 PM, Lars Noodén wrote: > > I'm having trouble adjusting the backlight on my LCD screen in RC 1 with > > XFCE4. No matter what I've tried so far, it stays where it is. With > > Ubuntu 16.04, things

Re: [DNG] We need to speak up

I left Debian for Funtoo and Devuan. The reason was systemd. Debian paid lip service to the alternate init systems, but in reality systemd was slowly but surely becoming required. I left because it was clear they were going in a different direction than I wanted to follow. You can include me

Re: [DNG] eudev status

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 10:56:58AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > I installed jessie-beta on a disk some time ago, and off hand it boots > and runs just fine. However I didn't migrate it to from my current Debian > Wheezy because I was waiting for the eudev/vdev/udev issue to be > resolved, figuring

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

A solution might be to: 1) rename this list if deemed necessary 2) route all devuan-discuss emails to dng This will combine the two lists without requiring users to make any changes. If the name change is deemed necessary, the new name can be promoted on the website, but the old email

Re: [DNG] sans-dbus: was Mass bug filing: use and misuse of dbus-launch (dbus-x11)

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 3:53 AM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Joel Roth (jo...@pobox.com): > > On my system, > > > > apt-get -s remove dbus > > > > The following packages will be REMOVED: > > And what actually breaks if you use equivs to lie and say it's still > present? > I

Re: [DNG] Openrc

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > Does OpenRC do the conditional starts? Yes, it does. See "The depend function" here: http://www.funtoo.org/Package:OpenRC ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] OT: true read-only disk

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > OT, but there seem to be a few people who understand such in-depth stuff > here ;-) > > I'm in the process of recovering (with ddrescue) files of a failing drive > - no backups as "it's only TV" recordings and I

Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:34 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: > There was one other thing that came to mind earlier ... > If ${company} decided to do that, and they had previously distributed > binaries ... doesn't the GPL mean they are required to provide the sources > to anyone

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Simon Walter wrote: > On 07/26/2016 12:28 PM, Brad Campbell wrote: > >> On 26/07/16 10:27, Simon Walter wrote: >> >> Is that really the case? Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out >>> what their users wanted and who were their typical

Re: [DNG] Open-RC on devuan - some questions

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:12 PM, wrote: > Hi! > > On the road to a viable jwm desktop in devuan, i am using/trying > open-rc. In advance, my excuses if what follows is not sufficiently > technical. > > To the point: From Manjaro-OpenRC i knew openrc as a clean and logical >

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > Nowadays to find a regular person who doesn't own multiple computers, you > need to go to Africa or rural India. > > I'd say it's safe to assume that a person authorized to login on the > console > (either text or

Re: [DNG] Signature verification

- Original Message - > From: "Paweł Cholewiński" > Hi List, > how to verify that SHA256SUMS file > (https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/) is not changed (how to > check its signature). In the directory which contains both the downloaded iso and the

Re: [DNG] booting old system on a different partition

- Original Message - > From: "Peter Olson" > So, I installed the Devuan beta a few days ago and it is great, rather it > almost > mostly works. I probably need an audio driver installed. I want to see what > the old system had installed. > > So I cleared out another

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

- Original Message - > From: "Steve Litt" <sl...@troubleshooters.com> > On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) > Rob Owens <row...@ptd.net> wrote: > >> I agree with putting each init in its own directory, but sysvinit >> should not own

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

- Original Message - > From: "Didier Kryn" <k...@in2p3.fr> > Le 03/05/2016 19:10, Rob Owens a écrit : >> Yes, but then when an openrc user wants to start/stop a service, he >> cannot do '/etc/init.d/myservice start' like he could do on any other >>

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

- Original Message - > From: "KatolaZ" > But do we really need all that complication? Couldn't we just leave > the initscript of each init system in a different directory and *tell > the init system* where they are to be found? This will allow a much > easier

Re: [DNG] Blackbox: was: For all you automounter programmers

- Original Message - > From: "Steve Litt" > Does Blackbox allow you to designate a tiny strip of the screen to be > desktop-only so you can click on it? Also, does Blackbox enable you to > hotkey not only blackbox functions, but also random programs on your >

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

- Original Message - > From: "Matthew Melton" > A brief aside. > Although not an automounter I remember using bbsmount on blackbox. I can't > remember how to configure it but it sat in the blackbox dock and if I > remember > and showed icons for all the drives you

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

- Original Message - > From: "Steve Litt" > Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label > on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition? > e2label /dev/sdXY my_label ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] Speaking of Window Managers

I use hotkeys extensively in Fluxbox. Fluxbox allows you to set each hotkey individually, so you could have Ctrl-Alt-a perform one action and Control-Shift-a perform another. I would like the configuration to allow variables and multiple hotkeys. This should be a valid configuration:

Re: [DNG] what is sssd?

One thing it can be used for is offline authentication for LDAP users. I am currently using sssd on a Funtoo laptop for this purpose. When I have no network access (no access to the LDAP server), my users can still log in. Previously I had used pam-ccreds for this. Both pam-ccreds and sssd

Re: [DNG] what is sssd?

- Original Message - > From: "Rowland Penny" <rpenny241...@gmail.com> > On 22/01/16 16:02, Rob Owens wrote: >> One thing it can be used for is offline authentication for LDAP users. I am >> currently using sssd on a Funtoo laptop for this purpose.

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

- Original Message - > From: "Didier Kryn" > Le 02/01/2016 03:44, Stephanie Daugherty a écrit : >> Regardless of who proposed it, merged /usr is still a reckless change > that >> needlessly complicates things. > > The simple fact of splitting executables between two

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

- Original Message - > From: "Didier Kryn" <k...@in2p3.fr> > Le 05/01/2016 15:59, Rob Owens a écrit : >> I have customers who use a shared /usr among several zLinux >> systems, and the reason is cost savings. > For my information: They don't share

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

- Original Message - > From: "richard lucassen" <spamt...@xaq.nl> > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:51:22 -0500 (EST) > Rob Owens <row...@ptd.net> wrote: > > [too much typing] > >> An experienced sysadmin who has to do this type of thing several

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

- Original Message - > From: "Roger Leigh" > Regarding the comments people made about having separate / and /usr > filesystems. While it was common historically, there is little or no > practical benefit to doing so in 2016. Storage sizes make it > unnecessary for

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming

- Original Message - > From: "Rainer Weikusat" > Didier Kryn writes: >> Ethernet interfaces are maybe the only issue, which explains why >> distros have implemented a solution by the means of udev rules. The >> way it is implemented is

Re: [DNG] OpenRC: was s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

- Original Message - > From: "Steve Litt" > > Am I the only person who doesn't like OpenRC? It can't respawn > (supervise, whatever you call it). Its init scripts are every bit as > complicated as those of sysvinit, but must be written in a special > language

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

- Original Message - > From: "Rainer Weikusat" > Laurent Bercot writes: >> I'm talking normal use cases here, i.e. situations where the services >> *will* succeed. In those situations, it is better to start everything >> according

[DNG] report: upgrade Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie

This test is on a non-gui system. 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade' 'apt-get remove libsystemd-login0' # Not sure why this was installed on my Wheezy system. This operation also removed dbus. 'wget

Re: [DNG] upgrade wheezy to devuan jessie instead of ceres

- Original Message - > From: "Didier Kryn" <k...@in2p3.fr> > Le 14/09/2015 21:48, Rob Owens a écrit : >> I only chose ceres because that was the default when I installed >> devuan-baseconf. Which would be a more sensible upgrade path from Wheezy? >&

[DNG] upgrade wheezy to ceres -- warnings, errors, and oddities

If there's a better place to report this, let me know. On a fully updated Wheezy system, I installed debuan-baseconf-0.6.4+devuan3_all.deb. That sets up the Devuan repositories and then puts some instructions on the screen. When you select OK, those instructions disappear. It would be nice

Re: [DNG] upgrade wheezy to ceres -- warnings, errors, and oddities

I correct a mistake near the end of my original email. 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is what causes systemd, samba, and qemu to get installed. And just to be clear, I did 'apt-get upgrade' first, then 'apt-get dist-upgrade' later in the process. This is how I am accustomed to doing Debian upgrades.

Re: [DNG] non-systemd Linux for newbies with good migration tool?

- Original Message - From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: -binary based You just ruled out Funtoo. FYI, Funtoo (and Gentoo, as I understand it) can be set to automatically create packages when software is compiled. So you can have a

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

- Original Message - From: Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com Other suggestions for non-systemd software are welcome. The main criteria is that it actually has to be something useful, something that I might install and use daily. Thus, far-out stuff like Minix is not a

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

- Original Message - From: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com Rob is right about the difficulty of installing Funtoo. As a matter of fact, I'd say he's understated it. I'd go so far as to say Funtoo is only for technically proficient people, and unlike *buntu, Debian, Devuan,

Re: [DNG] Init scripts in packages

- Original Message - From: Rainer Weikusat rainerweiku...@virginmedia.com Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net writes: Worse, if refuse to support multiple init systems means that the Debian packagers start stripping out the init scripts from Debian packages, those, those

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

- Original Message - From: Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com I'm not sure where in the discussion this fits, but I thought I'd mention it here: Permitting all mount invocations via sudo does have a potential security hole if your mount implementation supports FUSE, as you can run an

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

- Original Message - From: kpb k...@sohcahtoa.org.uk Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: Before I stopped using Jessie, I had USB mounting working with the spacefm file manager and either udevil or pmount to handle the removable devices. Let me know if anybody wants instruction

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

- Original Message - From: Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 09:04:03PM +0200, Micky Del Favero wrote: I vote to put vi as default editor in devuan because vi is the default editor in every unix since ever and every unix user has to know how to use vi! NO.

[DNG] nano for beginners

I noted some people saying they were confused by nano. Here are basic instructions to get you far enough that you can install your editor of choice. I am deliberately leaving out things like cutting and pasting. If your goal is just to get a different editor installed, these instructions should

[DNG] vi for beginners

I noted some people saying they were confused by vi. Here are basic instructions to get you far enough that you can install your editor of choice. I am deliberately leaving out things like cutting and pasting. If your goal is just to get a different editor installed, these instructions should

Re: [DNG] nano for beginners

- Original Message - From: Anto arya...@chello.at In vi I use 10yy and then p to copy and paste 10 lines. And I use 10dd to delete 10 lines and press u to undo that if I mistakenly deleted the wrong lines. What are the equivalent commands for that in nano? I have no idea. My nano

Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

- Original Message - From: Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com First, thanks to all who replied. To me, the ideal solution would be if this was a user-configurable option. Would be great if you could, for example, just stick something into .bashrc for any user to allow

Re: [Dng] automounting in a window manager

- Original Message - From: shraptor shrap...@bahnhof.se On 2015-06-01 16:22, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com First, thanks to all who replied. To me, the ideal solution would be if this was a user-configurable

Re: [Dng] KDE systemd lock-in

- Original Message - From: T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com Gnome already depends on systemd, but the apps do not. Not exactly true. My eyes were open to the systemd problem when I installed brasero on Jessie and it wanted to change my init system. Brasero depends on gvfs to

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

- Original Message - From: Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS, I'm anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to figure out who is onboard, I mean the audience. For me, the line between desktop and server is very blurred.

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

On Fri, Feb 06, 2015 at 12:05:35AM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Hi, On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote: Considering the dependencies on libsystemd0, libpam-systemd, libudev0, and libudev1, I get: I don't see eudev or mdev in Debian's repos, are there any