Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie End of Life (EOL) archiving
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 05:58:11 -0300 pekman wrote: > Slitaz is very good Linux distribution for old computers. See > slitaz.org The latest "news" is from 20 May 2015: http://slitaz.org/en/news/ -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] terminal paste failure
On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 10:02:05 -0400 Haines Brown wrote: > This morning I find that the wiress mouse can cut and paste between > terminals or nano sessions even with the wired mouse disconnected. > Whether the problem is permanently in the past remains to be seen. Try "reset" in the terminal, sometimes this helps. See "man reset" for more info. -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Orange Pi Zero/Orange Pi PC
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 21:35:40 +0100 tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > The devuan images are tested, > And so, I personally, advise always to stick with its kernels, but > anyone is free to mix what they want too :) The Armbian kernel works fine. Remember there is no Beowulf image yet for the OPi-Zero. > That in so many boards,... it could be a batch that went wrong, or > badly designed boards.. Must be someting like that. One of these board just stopped replying to pings and is not accessible through ssh, but each night it sends an email telling me there are updates for that board. I'm running Devuan Beowulf with an Armbian kernel and a "performance" governor. Someone said that switching to "performance" seems to resolve the issue. R. -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:15:57 +0100 g4sra via Dng wrote: > > No need IMHO, it was the core issue... > > So you have solved the issue, great! Nope, we found a Quick and Dirty workaround -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:48:16 +0100 g4sra via Dng wrote: > >> How do you know the mount is failing ? > > > > It's not mounted after mount command. > > I have not seen any evidence of that, can you point me to it please. No need IMHO, it was the core issue... -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 21:49:50 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > > And an earlier suggestion to copy important things to a smaller disk > > and use that disk, does that probably solve the issue? > > A smaller disk is no option, since this is my media server at home. > It is filled with 66%. I meant just to find out if a smaller disk was mounting correctly. > My mount scripts seem to work around this problem, so I give up in > further investigating what is happening. Ok, I understand that you get moreorless crazy of this issue. Fortunately the nofail option brought you a bit further. HAND R. -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:31:22 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Am 2020-06-14 20:07, schrieb d...@d404.nl: > > It is a kernel parameter not a module parameter. You have to add it > > to your kernel boot line. > > Ok, I found out how to do that. It's in /boot/boot.ini > But that made no difference to my problem. > > This is my current setup: > /etc/fstab has the mount option nofail, so the boot does not hang on > mountall. > > I have a additional init script mounthdd: What happens if you change the content of that script: #!/bin/dash echo 5 > /sys/module/usb_storage/parameters/delay_use in a script /etc/rcS.d/00test.sh, just for test, normally you must set a link. -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 19:11:38 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Am 2020-06-14 19:07, schrieb J. Fahrner via Dng: > > modinfo: ERROR: Module usb_storage not found. > > Maybe they have their own drivers for usb? > > # find /lib/modules/3.16.82+/kernel/drivers -name '*storage*' > /lib/modules/3.16.82+/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/g_mass_storage.ko > /lib/modules/3.16.82+/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/usb_f_mass_storage.ko $ find /lib/modules/5.6.0-2-amd64/kernel/drivers -name '*storage*' /lib/modules/5.6.0-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/storage /lib/modules/5.6.0-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko /lib/modules/5.6.0-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/function/usb_f_mass_storage.ko Or the module is built in the kernel. What tells "modinfo g_mass_storage"? If it's the same module as usb_storage having the same parameters, then: echo "options g_mass_storage delay_use=5" > \ /etc/modprobe.d/g_mass_storage.conf It's a pretty old kernel, if it doesn't work and the module is built in, one thing you might try is to put: #!/bin/dash echo 5 > /sys/module/usb_storage/parameters/delay_use in a script /etc/rcS.d/00test.sh HTH -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 18:38:48 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Am 2020-06-14 17:25, schrieb richard lucassen via Dng: > > echo "options usb_storage delay_use=5" > > > /etc/modprobe.d/usb_storage.conf > > seems not to work. > > After boot: > > cat /sys/module/usb_storage/parameters/delay_use > 1 That's rather strange. From "modinfo usb_storage": parm: delay_use:seconds to delay before using a new device (uint) And what happens if you load the module in advance?: echo "usb_storage" >> /etc/modules -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 17:24:01 +0200 richard lucassen via Dng wrote: Oops: echo "options usb_storage delay_use=5" /etc/modprobe.d/usb_storage.conf must be: echo "options usb_storage delay_use=5" > /etc/modprobe.d/usb_storage.conf -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:12:21 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY You may try this: echo "options usb_storage delay_use=5" /etc/modprobe.d/usb_storage.conf https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=125831 R. -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:03:13 +0200
"J. Fahrner" wrote:
> But if I do it interactively with "sudo mount /hdd" the drive gets
> mounted and the waiting daemons are started.
>
> I'm very confused...
When you mount it interactively the path is different and maybe it's
waiting for some input.
Try to add to the script:
PATH=${PATH}:/sbin:/usr/sbin
and
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Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:03:13 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > But if I do it interactively with "sudo mount /hdd" the drive gets > mounted and the waiting daemons are started. > > I'm very confused... It's weird. What does "dmesg" tell? dmesg > /tmp/dmesg and look if there are any messages there -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 08:21:51 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Am 2020-06-13 22:10, schrieb richard lucassen via Dng: > > I have no idea. But mountall is in runlevel S, not 2. What if you > > mount it explicitely in a temporary script > > called /etc/rcS.d/99mount.sh ? That > > is before runlevel 2 starts. > > Looks like it has something to do with huge_file support: > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-905312-start-0.html Yes, I already ran into such an issue a few years ago. I mounted a disk created ext4 with a newer Debian on a machine running an older Debian and it would not mount (at all). I looked it up in a script I made and for me it was the metadata_csum option that was inserted by the newer Debian and the old one did not support this. So the trick was to format the disk without that option: -- 8< - mkfs.ext4 -O '^metadata_csum' /dev/mmcblk0p3 https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 21:09:06 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > > No, but I asked you why not create the root filesystem on that disk. > > If "mount -a" does not work in runlevel 2, why should it work in boot > stage 1? I have no idea. But mountall is in runlevel S, not 2. What if you mount it explicitely in a temporary script called /etc/rcS.d/99mount.sh ? That is before runlevel 2 starts. -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 21:07:37 +0200 richard lucassen via Dng wrote: > No, maybe it has got something to do with these "big disk" messages. > Wouldn't it be an idea to copy a part of that dist to a "not such a > big disk" and see what happens? s/dist/disk/ -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 20:28:03 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Am 2020-06-13 20:18, schrieb richard lucassen via Dng: > > That was the "rootwait" parameter as I said somewhere. Used for USB > > and MMC disks. > > "The rootwait kernel parameter only affects the first stage of boot, > while the kernel is waiting for its initial root device" > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806294/linux-kernel-parameter-rootwait-being-ignored#14806347 > > That has nothing to do with my problem. No, maybe it has got something to do with these "big disk" messages. Wouldn't it be an idea to copy a part of that dist to a "not such a big disk" and see what happens? -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 20:28:03 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > "The rootwait kernel parameter only affects the first stage of boot, > while the kernel is waiting for its initial root device" > > https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806294/linux-kernel-parameter-rootwait-being-ignored#14806347 > > That has nothing to do with my problem. No, but I asked you why not create the root filesystem on that disk. I have several Orange Pi's using a USB disk as root device. That works perfectly well. Also on PCEngine's Apu, see its lilo config: image=/boot/vmlinuz-4.9.223 label=4.9.223 read-only append="rootwait root=/dev/sda3 console=ttyS0,115200n8" R. -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 16:50:29 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > I had a problem around 15 years ago booting a Powerpc SBC with > rootfs on a USB disk and without initramfs. around 15 years ago. Even > though the disk was powered on its own, it didn't start spinning > before the driver started it. I solved it by adding a delay to the > kernel before mounting the rootfs - there was a parameter for that. > > Maybe it's just enough to add such a delay before trying to mount > your USB disk. That was the "rootwait" parameter as I said somewhere. Used for USB and MMC disks. -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 10:20:46 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Thats exactly what I'm expecting, waiting indefinitely. The same as > mounting in fstab without nofail option. The nofail means that it wil mount automatically, but if the disk is absent it won't give errors. But it does not wait for the device! > I can't experiment here. If it does not boot I have to remove the > emmc card and undo the change on my pc. ok, I assume it's u-boot? In that case you can easily try to boot from another disk. But apparently you do not have access to the device? -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 09:55:54 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Am 2020-06-13 09:49, schrieb richard lucassen: > > What is on that disk? Why not make that disk the root filesystem and > > pass "rootwait" to the kernel? > > I'm afraid that won't work either. If there are problems mounting the > disk at this early stage, even the root filesystem will not mount. That is why there is a rootwait option: rootwait[KNL] Wait (indefinitely) for root device to show up. Useful for devices that are detected asynchronously (e.g. USB and MMC devices). It waits for the USB HDD to spin up. R. -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 08:52:18 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Am 2020-06-13 08:25, schrieb J. Fahrner via Dng: > > nofail was a good hint. Now the system boots, but the usb disk is > > still not mounted. "mount -a" mounts it without errors after boot. > > What is the best way to run "mount -a" before any initscripts in > runlevel 2? > > There is a script /etc/init.d/mountall.sh, but this only runs in > runlevel S. Whats the purpose of this script? /etc/rcS.d/ contains scripts that run before any other runlevel. That's why "mountall" is there. > The script provides "mountall". Can I make daemons that need the > external disk dependend on "mountall". What is on that disk? Why not make that disk the root filesystem and pass "rootwait" to the kernel? Anyhow, you may try this: #/bin/dash ### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: disk # Required-Start: # Required-Stop: # Default-Start: S # Default-Stop: # Short-Description: prepare disk at boot time ### END INIT INFO case $1 in start) # Edit this: /bin/mount /dev/disk /mnt/mountpoint ;; esac put this in /etc/init.d/mount-disk.sh run: update-rc.d mount-disk.sh defaults and check if there is a link in /etc/rcS.d/ called S00mount-disk.sh Just a guess. Not tested of course. My 2cts, R. -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Orange Pi Zero/Orange Pi PC
On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 04:41:17 -0700 Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > > Yes and no: > > > > -n Use SNTP (old RFC 2030, currently RFC 5905) instead of the RFC > > 868 time protocol. > > > > # rdate -n ntp.xs4all.nl > > Fri Jun 12 12:07:04 CEST 2020 > > Point taken. SNTP _is_ worthy of respect -- but I'd personally rather > have and use full NTP tools, and, given that the later are around and > standard, I don't also need one that does just SNTP (or that plus RFC > 868 Time Protocol). I run openntpd and on boards without RTC I made a /etc/init.d/setboottime using rdate that is started right after the network comes up. After that openntpd and all other scripts find a clock that is not at 1-1-1970 01:00. I know openntpd has an option to set the clock before it starts but at that time I had some problems with it so I stayed with rdate. I used to use ntp and ntpdate -B, but as I switched to openntpd I resolved the non-RTC issue with rdate. Remember that is just the clock of a small board, not a stratum 1 server ;-) R. -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Boot hangs with usb disk active in fstab
On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 17:01:14 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Any ideas how to debug this problem? > > This is the fstab entry: > > LABEL=Elements /hdd ext4 defaults 0 2 Try to add "nofail" or "noauto": LABEL=Elements /hdd ext4 defaults,nofail 0 2 LABEL=Elements /hdd ext4 defaults,noauto 0 2 Just to see if it comes up. Just my 2 cts, R. -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Orange Pi Zero/Orange Pi PC
On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 01:19:50 -0700 Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > > Have a look at "rdate": > > I'm glad it works for you, but no. > > RFC 868 Time Protocol was obsoleted when NTP became ubiquotous in the > 1980s. IMO, there's no point in keeping rdate(8) around when there > are multiple good NTP implementations available. Yes and no: -n Use SNTP (old RFC 2030, currently RFC 5905) instead of the RFC 868 time protocol. # rdate -n ntp.xs4all.nl Fri Jun 12 12:07:04 CEST 2020 :-) -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Orange Pi Zero/Orange Pi PC
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 15:09:37 -0700 Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > If running ntpdate, depending on how much skew there is from correct > time, you might need the '-B' option. Quoting the man page: Have a look at "rdate": $ apropos rdate rdate (8)- set the system's date from a remote host I use it on boards without RTC, just after the network comes up and before openntpd takes over. No need for "fake-hwclock". -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Orange Pi Zero/Orange Pi PC
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 03:50:54 +0100 tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > > As I need to apply a power cycle I suppose it is not a software > > issue (is that right?). I'm just trying the Ascii image to see what > > will happen, but I'm not very hopefull. > > > > Has anyone seen such issues with these boards? > > problems with rtc clock are not uncommon, the need for a power > cycle, seems to be.. > > This discrepancies, in the date, .. how many days it takes to > happen, does you have any Idea? > does the Boards are properly powerup?I mean suficient levels of > Voltage/Current.. > > Try to update the date with something like 'ntpdate ntp_server_ip' > And see is that helps, if yes then you can run it via a cronjob, > from time to time.. No, even cronjobs do not work or give segmentation fault. It must be the hardware. There must be a batch with these issues, I'm not the only one BTW. I wonder if it has got something to do with the wifi chip. A crash occurs earlier if you load the kernel module. > For beowulf only orangepi_zero_plus2 image is available.. > > Try to install the Devuan ascii image: > https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_ascii/embedded/README.txt The ASCII image is ok, but I updated this image to Beowulf and I used Armbian kernel with it. But I fear it will crash again. Anyway, I just got some Rasberry Pi Zero-W now and I think I will stay with these boards. Remember I have also Orange Pi PC, different CPU, suffering from the same issues. R. -- richard lucassen https://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Orange Pi Zero/Orange Pi PC
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:56:30 +0200 richard lucassen via Dng wrote: Oh, BTW, kudos for the one who made these images. Just the strict necessary. No bloat or junk. -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Orange Pi Zero/Orange Pi PC
Hello list, I just installed the Ascii image for the Orange Pi Zero (H2 CPU). I have a bunch (20) of these OPi Zero's, running a SysV version of Debian. Anyway, in practice *all* of these units are unstable (some services stop working, clock at a weird time like 1937 or 2134). Even a reboot does not help. To get things back in order a power cycle is necessary. The Orange Pi PC also suffers from this phenomenon (H3 CPU). Switching on the wireless interface speeds up the appearance of the problem. When it's idle there's no problem. I also tried to set the max CPU freq to 800 MHz, but no way. These devices have different tasks and thus different user space software. As I need to apply a power cycle I suppose it is not a software issue (is that right?). I'm just trying the Ascii image to see what will happen, but I'm not very hopefull. Has anyone seen such issues with these boards? R. -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
