Steve Litt wrote:
> "Multi-seat" makes little sense now that when you add a user you can give him
> or her a $400 computer with which he can share the server's data.
I would beg to disagree - at least for some workloads. I think "it depends" is
often teh answer to the question of "is
On 19/10/2018 15.04, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote:
OTOH, we could (as mentioned in another thread) invent some small
declarative config file format for expressing at least the very
common cases
There already is init-d-script (5).
On 17.10.2018 15:14, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead
> of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem.
That would be a *very complex* task - basically reimplementing much
of systemd logic. Nothing that I could aggree to support.
Am Freitag, 19. Oktober 2018 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:50:39 +1100
> Erik Christiansen wrote:
>
> > On 18.10.18 11:37, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > OK. Next question. What is the cost difference between a computer
> > > terminal and a low power computer with the muscle to run apps
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 14:50:39 +1100
Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 18.10.18 11:37, Steve Litt wrote:
> > OK. Next question. What is the cost difference between a computer
> > terminal and a low power computer with the muscle to run apps whose
> > data is on the central server?
>
> The price of
On 18.10.18 11:37, Steve Litt wrote:
> OK. Next question. What is the cost difference between a computer
> terminal and a low power computer with the muscle to run apps whose
> data is on the central server?
The price of hardware was entirely different back then, making re-use
much more
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 11:37:13AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 08:50:51 -0400
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 09:17:13AM -0300, Fernando M. Maresca wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:20:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Multiseating?
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 08:50:51 -0400
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 09:17:13AM -0300, Fernando M. Maresca wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:20:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > Cgroups? There are other ways to do Cgroups without systemd, and
> > > a lot of systemd's buzz for
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 08:50:51 -0400
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 09:17:13AM -0300, Fernando M. Maresca wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:20:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > >
> > > Multiseating? When's the last time you had serial cables to
> > > monitors? We have much
On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 09:17:13AM -0300, Fernando M. Maresca wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:20:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > Multiseating? When's the last time you had serial cables to monitors?
> > We have much more efficient Gigabit Eternet.
Over serial lines? 1979. With
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:58:33PM +0200, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:30:50AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > > c) where and how would you draw the line indicating what's unacceptable
> > > about
> > > systemd - in other words, what exactly do you mean by "the Unix
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:58:33 +0200
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:30:50AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > > c) where and how would you draw the line indicating what's
> > > unacceptable about systemd - in other words, what exactly do you
> > > mean by "the Unix
> ..the systemd approach was (and still is?) convert (or "generate")
> sysvinit scripts into systemd unit files.
Still is. But that is only half the issue. As mentioned already, any
attempt to run a sysv script is intercepted by SystemD. The
corresponding unit file ('generated' or 'packaged')
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 October 2018 at 17:37:14, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
>
> > "They" REALLY want to force the use of systemd.
> >
> > I REALLY don't want to use systemd. I've seen too many problems since
> > it's introduction.
> >
> > Now
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:14:46 +0200, Edward wrote in message
:
> Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead
> of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. Those who want to
> stick to scripts can always direct sysvinit to use scripts instead.
..the systemd approach
On 10/17/18 8:51 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
On Wednesday 17 October 2018 at 17:37:14, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
On 10/17/18 8:24 AM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
On 17-10-18 15:14, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead
of scripts? That
On Wednesday 17 October 2018 at 17:37:14, Bruce Ferrell wrote:
> On 10/17/18 8:24 AM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> > On 17-10-18 15:14, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> >> Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead
> >> of scripts? That would bypass the entire
On 10/17/18 8:24 AM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
On 17-10-18 15:14, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead
of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. Those who want to
stick to scripts can always direct sysvinit to use
On 17-10-18 15:14, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead
> of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. Those who want to
> stick to scripts can always direct sysvinit to use scripts instead. An
> edit/patch would aim to make sysvinit
KatolaZ - 17.10.18, 16:58:
> process supervision and management system. Which is probably 90% of
> the reason why systemd needed to fagocitate the whole low-level
> user-space (please remember that the only way to reliably know that a
> process is dead under unix is to be the parent of that
On 10/17/18 9:58 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:30:50AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
[cut]
c) where and how would you draw the line indicating what's unacceptable about
systemd - in other words, what exactly do you mean by "the Unix paradigm" in
your comment above?
Split out
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:30:50AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote:
[cut]
> > c) where and how would you draw the line indicating what's unacceptable
> > about
> > systemd - in other words, what exactly do you mean by "the Unix paradigm" in
> > your comment above?
> Split out the PID 1 stuff to just
On 10/17/18 9:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
On Wednesday 17 October 2018 at 15:54:11, Daniel Taylor wrote:
I am becoming convinced that the proper course of attack is to reimplement
all the systemd functions in the Unix paradigm.
a) I seriously doubt that that is possible, without effectively
On Wednesday 17 October 2018 at 15:54:11, Daniel Taylor wrote:
> I am becoming convinced that the proper course of attack is to reimplement
> all the systemd functions in the Unix paradigm.
a) I seriously doubt that that is possible, without effectively just re-writing
systemd
b) systemd's
On 10/17/18 8:14 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead
of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. Those who want to
stick to scripts can always direct sysvinit to use scripts instead. An
edit/patch would aim to make sysvinit
Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead
of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. Those who want to
stick to scripts can always direct sysvinit to use scripts instead. An
edit/patch would aim to make sysvinit recognise unit files and run
scripts when instructed
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