Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-13 Thread taii...@gmx.com
Man you guys have no idea how some of these SJW's operate and how much trumps election really brought out the evil on both sides. After the election I was yelled at and physically attacked at many times by them because I "look like a trump supporter"[1], the news media blamed poor white people

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-11 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:01:42 +0200 "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: > I've seen a lot of self-declared 'social justice warriors', who > finally did more harm than anything useful. Those who really did many > good things, tend to not calling themselves that way. You just couldn't let

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-11 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 11/10/18 at 23:36, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > >> What it really needs is for the subject line to start with OT. > And for the content to be sung in the shower instead of posted to Dng. ;-> >  -- Alessandro Selli VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-11 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > What it really needs is for the subject line to start with OT. And for the content to be sung in the shower instead of posted to Dng. ;-> -- Cheers, Luftputebåten min er full av ål. Rick Moen

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-11 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 09:22:19PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:13:57 -0700 > Bruce Perens wrote: > > > I think this discussion is now so astronomically far from the purpose > > of DNG that it serves no further purpose. Perhaps moderation is > > called for? > > It never

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-10 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 10/10/18 at 22:13, Bruce Perens wrote: > I think this discussion is now so astronomically far from the purpose > of DNG that it serves no further purpose.   Indeed! > Perhaps moderation is called for?   I'll give this thread another 12 hours chance to die out on it's own accord, then I'll

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-10 Thread Rowland Penny
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:13:57 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > I think this discussion is now so astronomically far from the purpose > of DNG that it serves no further purpose. Perhaps moderation is > called for? It never was on topic, but then many posts aren't ;-) I gave up on it when I decided

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-10 Thread Bruce Perens
I think this discussion is now so astronomically far from the purpose of DNG that it serves no further purpose. Perhaps moderation is called for? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-10 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 10.10.2018 14:29, Rowland Penny wrote: > Are you trying to tell me that Junker etc are leftist ? pull the other> one, > its got bells on. No, I just see some patterns. Anyways, I don't put anybody in those categories, until there is actual strong evidence for that. And I believe, people

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-10 Thread Rowland Penny
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:04:15 +0200 "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: > On 10.10.2018 13:20, Rowland Penny wrote: > > Hi, > > > You could just have said: > > * people against shall be banned/silenced, as they're > >discriminating/against . > > > > Instead of that long list. > >

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-10 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 10.10.2018 13:20, Rowland Penny wrote: Hi, > You could just have said: > * people against shall be banned/silenced, as they're >discriminating/against . > > Instead of that long list. I did this to illustrate that can quickly become a very long list. By the way, the list in the

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-10 Thread Rowland Penny
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:01:42 +0200 "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" wrote: > On 01.10.2018 07:28, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > On 09/27/2018 05:11 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > >> I'm that Social Justice Warrior that you don't like. > > > > I can almost guarantee you aren't. > > > >

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-10-10 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 01.10.2018 07:28, taii...@gmx.com wrote: Hi, > On 09/27/2018 05:11 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: >> I'm that Social Justice Warrior that you don't like. > > I can almost guarantee you aren't. > > There is a big difference between being for social justice which any > reasonable person is, and

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-30 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 09/27/2018 05:11 PM, Bruce Perens wrote: > I'm that Social Justice Warrior that you don't like. I can almost guarantee you aren't. There is a big difference between being for social justice which any reasonable person is, and being a SJW. > And if you are using > Devuan or Debian, if you've

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-27 Thread Bruce Perens
I'm that Social Justice Warrior that you don't like. And if you are using Devuan or Debian, if you've gotten a ham radio license since 2007, or if you're doing various Open Source things you have already benefited from things I've done in the name of social justice. So would you please be more

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-27 Thread taii...@gmx.com
"Code of conduct" type policies are absolute bullshit meant to ruin and divide a community with conflict and strife. I can't understand what has happened - perhaps "they" got to linus somehow? The people they want out are the ones who reject changes like rdrand etc. This is a plot to destroy

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 21-09-18 06:24, Rick Moen wrote: > > For the record, I am not a fan of CoCs including this one, but on > grounds differing from yours (that I'm not sure are of interest here). > CoCs are a fact of life in FOSS now and I'm for sure interested in reasoning about pro and con CoC's. Grtz. Nick

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Mark Rousell (mark.rous...@signal100.com): > I wrote a long message in reply to your message but it seems it is too > long for the list's post size limit. I have therefore posted it on a > blog I just set up for this purpose: >

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 22:42:26 +0100, Mark wrote in message <5ba41442.4080...@signal100.com>: > On 20/09/2018 22:23, Bruce Perens wrote: > > Open Research Institute got our first space communication project > > transferred over from AMSAT for two reasons: we had an ITAR/EAR > > avoidance plan, and

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Mark Rousell
On 20/09/2018 22:33, Rick Moen wrote: > IMO, this discussion is of questionable topicality for > Devuan Project, so I'll definitely drop the thread like a hot potato if the > listadmins so wish. I can only agree. I will post no more on the subject after this post. If anyone wishes to continue the

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Mark Rousell
On 20/09/2018 22:23, Bruce Perens wrote: > Open Research Institute got our first space communication project > transferred over from AMSAT for two reasons: we had an ITAR/EAR > avoidance plan, and the engineering managers at AMSAT (a venerable > organization that has flown some 90 Amateur

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Rick Moen
Hullo, Mark. IMO, this discussion is of questionable topicality for Devuan Project, so I'll definitely drop the thread like a hot potato if the listadmins so wish. I'm not disputing what you say, but am curious if you can support some bits from the text Greg Kroah-Hartman checked in as the new

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Bruce Perens
Open Research Institute got our first space communication project transferred over from AMSAT for two reasons: we had an ITAR/EAR avoidance plan, and the engineering managers at AMSAT (a venerable organization that has flown some 90 Amateur satellites since 1963) were inexperienced in dealing with

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Mark Rousell
On 20/09/2018 19:46, Steve Litt wrote: > For most of us, it's trivially easy to live within any of the CoCs > I've seen. Who is this "we" to which you refer? It seems to me to exclude many reasonable and decent people. It seems to me that CoCs and similar politically correctness are commonly

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Dave Turner
On 20/09/2018 10:13, Ribdro wrote: On 2018-09-20 03:02, m712 wrote: On September 20, 2018 12:32:07 AM GMT+03:00, KatolaZ wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 10:55:38PM +0300, m712 wrote: On September 19, 2018 8:09:52 PM GMT+03:00, Steve Litt wrote: Long observation of people resenting

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 23:32:07 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 10:55:38PM +0300, m712 wrote: > > > > > > On September 19, 2018 8:09:52 PM GMT+03:00, Steve Litt > > wrote: > > >Long observation of > > >people resenting CoCs is they want the right to speak cruelly to > >

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread Ribdro
On 2018-09-20 03:02, m712 wrote: On September 20, 2018 12:32:07 AM GMT+03:00, KatolaZ wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 10:55:38PM +0300, m712 wrote: On September 19, 2018 8:09:52 PM GMT+03:00, Steve Litt wrote: Long observation of people resenting CoCs is they want the right to speak

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-20 Thread m712
On September 20, 2018 12:32:07 AM GMT+03:00, KatolaZ wrote: >On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 10:55:38PM +0300, m712 wrote: >> >> >> On September 19, 2018 8:09:52 PM GMT+03:00, Steve Litt > wrote: >> >Long observation of >> >people resenting CoCs is they want the right to speak cruelly to >>

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 10:55:38PM +0300, m712 wrote: > > > On September 19, 2018 8:09:52 PM GMT+03:00, Steve Litt > wrote: > >Long observation of > >people resenting CoCs is they want the right to speak cruelly to > >individuals and speak cruelly about groups of people, those groups >

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-19 Thread m712
On September 19, 2018 8:09:52 PM GMT+03:00, Steve Litt wrote: >Long observation of >people resenting CoCs is they want the right to speak cruelly to >individuals and speak cruelly about groups of people, those groups >having nothing to do with the list's core foundation (Linux sans >systemd,

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-19 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting observerofaffa...@redchan.it (observerofaffa...@redchan.it): > To: linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org > Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org, debian-u...@lists.debian.org Dear listadmins (and assembled): I've found as a Mailman listadmin that subscriber misbehaviour like the above can be curbed by going

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-19 Thread Bruce Perens
Sorry. I would not have replied if I understood who that was. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 7:10 PM Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:33:58 + > observerofaffa...@redchan.it wrote: > > > The CoC will lead only to infighting amongst the contributors, with > > this new weapon wielded firmly

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:33:58 + observerofaffa...@redchan.it wrote: > The CoC will lead only to infighting amongst the contributors, with > this new weapon wielded firmly in all participants hands. You've made your point. Now stop it. The remedies you suggest, if they could even be legally

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-19 Thread Mark Rousell
On 19/09/2018 16:33, observerofaffa...@redchan.it wrote: > The CoC will lead only to infighting amongst the contributors, with > this new weapon wielded firmly in all participants hands. > > It is another example of "looking the gift horse in the mouth" > (Linus telling everyone to [fsck] off is

[DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-19 Thread observerofaffairs
The CoC will lead only to infighting amongst the contributors, with this new weapon wielded firmly in all participants hands. It is another example of "looking the gift horse in the mouth" (Linus telling everyone to [fsck] off is the previous example] and will only be tolerated by the

[DNG] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

2018-09-19 Thread observerofaffairs
It would depend on the communications made by the copyright holder, or ratifications made by him (if any). Estopple arises when a grantee relys on the grantors' communication that he will not rescind, and the grantor takes an action based on that communication. The clause in version 3 of the