Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

> On Aug 15, 2017, at 4:45 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 19:57 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: >> Hi there > > Hi > >> Which desktops work without systemd? >> A list would be nice. > > I'm running mate on an upgraded to ascii VM. Cinnamon is

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

Am Dienstag, 15. August 2017 schrieb Arnt Karlsen: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:45:54 +0200, Svante wrote in message > <1502786754.3090.22.ca...@gmail.com>: > > > On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 19:57 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: > > > Hi there > > > > Hi > > > > > Which desktops work without systemd? >

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On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:45:54 +0200, Svante wrote in message <1502786754.3090.22.ca...@gmail.com>: > On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 19:57 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: > > Hi there > > Hi > > > Which desktops work without systemd? > > A list would be nice. > > I'm running mate on an upgraded to

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On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 19:57 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: > Hi there Hi > Which desktops work without systemd? > A list would be nice. I'm running mate on an upgraded to ascii VM. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

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Steve Litt wrote: > International Conference on Chemistry and > Chemical Process? That's what I found for > this acronym. It's ICCCM, a.k.a. I39L, Inter-Client Communication Conventions Manual, a standard for window managers [1]. / Mitt [1]:

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2016 07:08:43 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > I'm not sure the preceding sentence yields a mutual exclusivity, but > > yes, I really would like that history lesson, as this is something > > that has bothered me for a long time. >

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SpaceFM with udevil automounts external devices. Removing gvfs also means no automount in Thunar, apart from losing wastebasket. udevil works from console, too. / Mitt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

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gvfs* builds and works (at least for Jessie) without *systemd* deps, I have done it. I now use Adam's version (posted at angband.pl) for XFCE. My TDE systems don't need gvfs (nor anything else GTK) to handle usb mounts and "trash". My "debian purist" attitude against custom and 3rd-party builds,

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On 04/25/2016 11:17 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 04/25/2016 04:54 PM, fsmithred wrote: >> You need to have gvfs installed if you want an icon to pop up on the >> desktop when you plug in a usb drive. You can have xfce without gvfs. I'm >> not sure about the other desktops. >

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On 04/25/2016 04:54 PM, fsmithred wrote: You need to have gvfs installed if you want an icon to pop up on the desktop when you plug in a usb drive. You can have xfce without gvfs. I'm not sure about the other desktops. As far as i know, if your uninstall gvfs, you will

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On 04/24/2016 04:46 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Aren't there two icewms, which differ in that they have different > capital letter in their names? One of which has more stuff than the > other? In the days when I used Debian, there was definitely more tham > one icewm on the desktop/wm menu.

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Steve Litt writes: I'm not sure the preceding sentence yields a mutual exclusivity, but yes, I really would like that history lesson, as this is something that has bothered me for a long time. The WM is regulated by the ICCCP, which basically talks about how windows interact with each other

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:43:55 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > ‎   Steve Litt wrote:‎ > > LXDE and IceWM have pretty much identical user > > interfaces and functionalities, except LXDE has a few > > more peripheral utilities. > > And that is what makes it a DE. Which brings

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Le 24/04/2016 20:17, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:38:04 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Steve Litt writes: I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm right. Uhm. One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless

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‎   Steve Litt wrote:‎ > So, if I took dwm, packaged it with the fbpanel > panel, an fbpanel config tool, Why would you use fbpanel with dwm though, the default bar is pretty hackable. Certainly, if you need a window list, then why not, but since dwm is a tiling window manager by default (and

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:38:04 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm > > right. > > Uhm. > > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless > > distinction that never

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:12:18 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > I suppose, he meant that there's a  fine line between > a window manager and a DE sometimes. Thanks Mitt, What I really meant is there's a very fuzzy line. As I stated before, a spectrum. > EDE (Equinox Desktop 

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >>In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are > >>window > >> >managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I > >>

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Hi, On 04/24/2016 09:26 AM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Oh, and I claim authorship of the thing that Aitor agreed with: It was me who said that, not KatolaZ. SteveT You are right. Dng Digest, Vol 19, Issue 62 (message 4) was a reply to your comment. Sorry..., my bad :) Cheers,

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‎     Didier Kryn wrote: ‎ > Sorry Steve but there is a technical difference. l > Wikipedia: [...] > Talking of ignorance is excessive; but let's try to > disentangle things. I suppose, he meant that there's a  fine line between a window manager and a DE sometimes. EDE (Equinox Desktop 

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Le 24/04/2016 08:48, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window

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Steve Litt writes: I've never been afraid of sounding ignorant, especially when I'm right. Uhm. One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless distinction that never should have been made. I suppose I count as an old fart, because I was around twenty-plus years ago, when it

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On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:09:37AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:00:21AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > > > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de

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Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:00:21AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless > > > > distinction that never should have been made. > >

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On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:00:21AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless > > > distinction that never should have been made. > > > > The point at which I consider that it's no longer a

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Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > One more thing: I think this whole wm/de thing is a useless > > distinction that never should have been made. > > The point at which I consider that it's no longer a window manager is > when it starts to interfere with the conventions X set

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 02:48:24AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 > Simon Walter wrote: > > > On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > > > On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > >> In my opinion there's no

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On 04/24/2016 08:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:08:10 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: > On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >> In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are > >> window > >> >managers and

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:36:03 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > I don't know how I ended up appearing as the poster of that message, > since I didn't say anything like that :) It's just the result of a > very bad quoting exercise. [snip] > Guys please quote appropriately, or don't

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On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 05:08:10PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > > > On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > >On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >>In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window > >>>managers and things on the other side

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Hi KatolaZ, On 04/23/2016 10:36 AM, KatolaZ wrote: >> >On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: >>> > >In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window > >>managers and things on the other side are desktop environments.

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On 04/23/2016 10:36 AM, KatolaZ wrote: >On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window > >>managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I think > >>we can all

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In devuan xfce and lxde. Mate is looking close to not having systemd too. Cheers, chillfan On Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:57 PM, Rob van der Putten wrote: > Hi there > > > Which desktops work without systemd? > A list would be nice. > > > Regards, > Rob > >

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2016, Trond Arild Ydersbond wrote: > Hope I can contribute - but after 20 minutes, I have still not got through > signing in at git.devuan.org... yes, its blocked. for some reason we are experiencing an outage on gitlab. the load is intense during these days so please keep

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Jaromil : >> BTW, there is a new devuan-based exegnulinux ISO with >> TDE:http://www.exegnulinux.net/ >just tested with qemu, it doesn't boots (error -28 on /bin/sh execution) >I suspect they use Debian's live-cd scripts? that may be the problem >we had to fork that too,

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 09:20:21AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > >In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window > >>managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I think > >>we can all agree

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On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window >managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I think >we can all agree that Unity, KDE and Gnome

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I work with Mate Best Regards | ISMAEL | - Original Message - From: "Rob van der Putten" <r...@sput.nl> To: <dng@lists.dyne.org> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 12:57 PM Subject: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd Hi there Which

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Simon Walter wrote:‎ > If by desktops you mean DE, then I thought some > have some dependencies  on systemd by way of the > included packages. DE vs. window manager. > There is a big difference. By desktops I mean DEs, and none of I have ever met have hard dependency on systemd. They have kind

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 03:25:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:15:36 +0900 > Simon Walter wrote: > > > > If by desktops you mean DE, then I thought some have some > > dependencies on systemd by way of the included packages. DE vs. > > window manager.

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On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 10:15:36 +0900 Simon Walter wrote: > If by desktops you mean DE, then I thought some have some > dependencies on systemd by way of the included packages. DE vs. > window manager. There is a big difference. In my opinion there's no magic line where things

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 19:57:51 +0200 Rob van der Putten wrote: > Hi there > > > Which desktops work without systemd? > A list would be nice. I suspect you're asking for three lists: 1) Desktops that work without needing dbus, which has been taken over by systemd. 2) Desktops

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On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 23:57 +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > ‎Rob van der Putten wrote: > > > > > Which desktops work without systemd? > > A list would be nice. > Every desktop environment is known > to work without systemd. GNOME3 works > on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, > DragonflyBSD. It

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On 04/22/2016 05:57 AM, Mitt Green wrote: ‎Rob van der Putten wrote: Which desktops work without systemd? A list would be nice. Every desktop environment is known to work without systemd. GNOME3 works on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD. It depends on the distribution itself.

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‎Rob van der Putten wrote: > Which desktops work without systemd? > A list would be nice. Every desktop environment is known to work without systemd. GNOME3 works on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD. It depends on the distribution itself. / Mitt

[DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

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