Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 08:39:17 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 15/03/2018 à 07:22, Steve Litt a écrit : > >>     There are alternatives to communicating through dbus. If two > >> processes are necessary, a socket or a pipe can do it. If more > >> structured communication is

Re: [DNG] Postscript (Was: printing in a D-Bus free system)

Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk): > PostScript is a rather nice language to learn. It's designed to be > human writeable (human readable when it's machine generated is another > matter) and fully device independent. And it's stack based - uses RPN > which I quite like. Also,

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:08:14 +0100 Florian Zieboll wrote: > Am 15. März 2018 08:25:33 MEZ schrieb Dave Turner > : > > > which network printers should we buy? > > Not sure if I am missing something here, but what can go wrong when >

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Let's stir the pot a bit . . . All of my printers have been HP. Ignorance is bliss . . . First one was a hand-me-down with a serial connection. Other 2 have been printer/scanners under $75. All three worked pretty much ootb but yes, I'm infected with dbus. I don't print often so the

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Quoting Florian Zieboll (f.zieb...@web.de): > I have a vague recollection, that there are printers and imagesetters, > that are able to render PDF directly (never was involved in such a > workflow myself) - but this is probably only true for equipment which > does PostScript, of which PDF is a

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): [PS support] > You might pay $1000 instead of $400, or $2000 instead of $1000. One, ISTR you exaggerate. Two, most of the reasons why PS-supporting printers are slightly (not greatly) more expensive than non-PS-capable printers reflect being

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:57:13 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:08:14 +0100 > Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > Not sure if I am missing something here, but what can go wrong when > > it supports a PostScript version >1? > > You might

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 09:29:08AM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > Am 14. März 2018 08:45:00 MEZ schrieb Arnt Gulbrandsen > : > > > > "Cannot even print"? You make it sound as if printing were a simple task. > > > Printing /is/ a relatively simple task: You create a

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Rick Moen writes on Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:19:50 -0700: >> ... >> 'Successor' is not quite the right description, IMO. The key point is >> that PDF (which, to be sure, was developed later) is bidirectionally >> equivalent and semantically identical to PostScript. You can

Re: [DNG] (forw) Re: printing in a D-Bus free system

Quoting John Hughes (johh.hug...@calva.com): > The major advantage of PDF over PostScript is that PDF is not Turing > complete. Now that you mention it, I _vaguely_ recall hearing something about that. I also recall that the Turing-complete nature of PS is why the GhostScript utilities have a

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:01:43AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > If you don't like what they did, the code is available to > you to alter to your liking, or just try lprng. I dumped Cups, am using lprng. Works fine, except that some programs don't know how to use lprng. With libreoffice, I find

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 01:31:27PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > > Also, I *thought* all modern printers could understand and render PDF. > > Was I wrong about that? > > Yes, you were. PDF actually _is_ PostScript, just slightly transformed > and compressed for storage. Yet when I produce a pdf

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 04:59:49PM -0600, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote: > >> ... > >> 'Successor' is not quite the right description, IMO. The key point is > >> that PDF (which, to be sure, was developed later) is bidirectionally > >> equivalent and semantically identical to PostScript. You can

[DNG] [j...@debian.org: [SECURITY] [DSA 4139-1] firefox-esr security update]

FYI As many of us, I keep receiving DSAs. And as usual, we should be covered on these ones. If you think it might be useful, I might forward DSAs here. Or maybe somebody here would like to take care of putting together a summary of DSAs once a forthnight or so? That might be useful. HND

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Quoting Nelson H. F. Beebe (be...@math.utah.edu): > I must rebut those statements. Edge-case obsess, much? ;-> I'm delighted to have inspired you have disgorged this huge display of obscure geekery, albeit it was gloriously irrelevant to the antecedent basic discussion of printers. > In

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:15:08PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Hendrik: > ... > > I dumped Cups, am using lprng. Works fine, except that some > > programs don't know how to use lprng. With libreoffice, I find > > I have to print to a file, and then lpr that file. It won't > > go to the

[DNG] (forw) Re: printing in a D-Bus free system

Redirecting back on-list. - Forwarded message from John Hughes - Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:11:03 +0100 From: John Hughes To: Rick Moen Subject: Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system On 15/03/18 21:19, Rick Moen

Re: [DNG] OT: PDF file size optimization

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 22:14:20 + KatolaZ wrote: > TBH, it's normally the opposite (i.e., ps is much larger than it's pdf > counterpart), but the pdf converter of libreoffice has traditionally > been a bit quirky, so I wouldn't be surprised at all. You might > probably

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 06:04:48PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 01:31:27PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > > > > Also, I *thought* all modern printers could understand and render PDF. > > > Was I wrong about that? > > > > Yes, you were. PDF actually _is_ PostScript, just

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Hendrik: ... > I dumped Cups, am using lprng. Works fine, except that some > programs don't know how to use lprng. With libreoffice, I find > I have to print to a file, and then lpr that file. It won't > go to the printer directly > > Of course then I have the abilty to get libreoffice to

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

KatolaZ writes on Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:19:42 +: >> my biggest frustration was not being able of finding a way to >> implement a 2D random walk in postscript that would show a different >> trajectory every time you open it :D (the only problem there is the >> seed). This is getting off the

Re: [DNG] PostScript [was: printing in a D-Bus free system]

Le 16/03/2018 à 00:19, KatolaZ a écrit : In summary, yes, the transformations PDF-to-PostScript and PostScript-to-PDF are possible, but while the end results may be similar, they are by no means identical. For more on PostScript and PDF, see the extensive bibliography at

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Steve Litt writes: As one such back seat driver, allow me to explain. When you've been both programming and using for a long time, you get a feel for the many ways something can be done, ... I stopped here, because I remember what you wrote about Redis recently. Perhaps you don't have a feel

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:11:23 + Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > backseat drivers Hey Captain Murrica (sic!), I suggest you get some workout and then target the original source of your frustration, constructively - instead of (cowardly) dissing 40+yo script kiddies

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Florian Zieboll writes: I suggest you get some workout and then target the original source of your frustration, constructively - instead of (cowardly) dissing 40+yo script kiddies (yeah, that's me^^). This brings definitely more fun and satisfaction, while providing at least some slight

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Dave Turner writes: which network printers should we buy? Look for something with wired ethernet, postscript and IPP, not under €300, not under 20kg for a BW laser. WLAN is okay but if the printer doesn't have wired ethernet, it's not targeted at the right market niche. HP, Lexmark,

[DNG] updated debian-installer for ascii

Hi there, just a quick one. If you are using the *netboot* tar.gz or mini.iso installer images for ascii, please download the latest available version: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ascii/main/installer-amd64/current/

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:11:23 + Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Didier Kryn writes: > > Do you remember any of these comics where the driver of a > > car opens the motor to repair, throws away a bunch of parts, and > > then the engine starts again and the guy goes

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:32:26 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 14/03/2018 à 10:54, KatolaZ a écrit : > > we are losing most of the original simplicity of > > Linux (effectively fucking up the only users who care about Linux), > > just to serve users that will never use Linux on their

Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 22:32:34 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Exemplars of antiquated designs, being both physically very old and > (typically) no longer in stock hardly anywhere, are fragile and can be > expected to have very limited and unpredictable remaining service > life. As

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:42:28 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 14/03/2018 à 11:29, Florian Zieboll a écrit : > > Hallo Didier, > > > > just to avoid confusion: this was not my point, but Menelaos > > Maglis's. I just tried to figure out that the basics of printing > > (like most

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Quoting terryc (ter...@woa.com.au): > On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 03:25:44 -0400 > Menelaos Maglis wrote: > > > > I use hplip and yes dbus is installed. > > > > > I run a very minimal ascii/ceres system and following the trail of > > things dependent on dbus - well, unless

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On 15/03/18 06:44, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting terryc (ter...@woa.com.au): On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 03:25:44 -0400 Menelaos Maglis wrote: I use hplip and yes dbus is installed. I run a very minimal ascii/ceres system and following the trail of things dependent on dbus - well,

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am 2018-03-15 00:10, schrieb Ozi Traveller: > I have Virtualbox working on freebsd. With USB Support?___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] updated debian-installer for ascii

Am 15.03.2018 um 07:10 schrieb KatolaZ: > just a quick one. If you are using the *netboot* tar.gz or mini.iso > installer images for ascii, please download the latest available > version: > > > https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ascii/main/installer-amd64/current/ >

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 09:08:14AM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote: > Am 15. März 2018 08:25:33 MEZ schrieb Dave Turner > : > > > which network printers should we buy? > > Not sure if I am missing something here, but what can go wrong when it > supports a

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

taii...@gmx.com" > Is it possible to print and scan on an older hp network printer without > hplip/dbus? It supports LPR/PS but I have never been able to get it to > work properly (ie: with the extra paper trays, duplexer, dpi settings > etc) are there any good guides for this? You use

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Le 15/03/2018 à 07:22, Steve Litt a écrit :     There are alternatives to communicating through dbus. If two processes are necessary, a socket or a pipe can do it. If more structured communication is necessary and you don't need two processes (why would you in this case), other famous

Re: [DNG] Seeding Torrents for Devuan

Am 15. März 2018 04:24:24 MEZ schrieb terryc : > Is anyone actually seeding any torrent for Devuan? Yes, I am seeding the full official torrent since it has been published. Not checking too often, but also the last time I did (with ascii beta already released), there have

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Quoting Dave Turner (dave_t_tur...@barradas.free-online.co.uk): > I know of many printers that don't play nicely with linux, I bought > an HP because they do work. If 'work' means with dependency on the mostly-proprietary HPLIP printing software, then I would suggest this is a problem. > For

Re: [DNG] printing in a D-Bus free system

Am 15. März 2018 08:25:33 MEZ schrieb Dave Turner : > which network printers should we buy? Not sure if I am missing something here, but what can go wrong when it supports a PostScript version >1? -- [message sent mobile]

Re: [DNG] Postscript (Was: printing in a D-Bus free system)

k...@aspodata.se wrote: >> Is it possible to print and scan on an older hp network printer without >> hplip/dbus? It supports LPR/PS but I have never been able to get it to >> work properly (ie: with the extra paper trays, duplexer, dpi settings >> etc) are there any good guides for this? > >