Re: [DNG] Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 14-04-19 21:03, Jim Jackson wrote: > > I find this somewhat amusing. Have you ever followed the linux kernel email > list, and watched the falling out and aggression there has been on there in > the past? Linus's (and others) language!! Better not take linux seriously > any longer :-) > >

Re: [DNG] Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 09:07:44PM +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > You really think that the numbers working on the linux kernel are > somehow comparable to the numbers working on Devuan? Every person working on the linux kernel is working on Devuan. Every Debian developer is

Re: [DNG] Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread Jim Jackson
On Sun, 14 Apr 2019, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > After all what happened i cannot take Devuan seriously any longer. And I > absolutely do not want my systems depending on a distro with such a > uncertain future. I find this somewhat amusing. Have you ever followed the linux

Re: [DNG] Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread chillfan--- via Dng
IMHO.. I mentioned before that I didn't take your joke badly, and I do think others shouldn't either. About corporations: If they are that interested in Devuan (and yes I'm repeating myself) they should put some dedicated maintainers our way so we can remove all of libsystemd0. I've often

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread aitor_czr
Hi chillfan, On 14/4/19 10:30, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: About corporations: If they are that interested in Devuan (and yes I'm repeating myself) they should put some dedicated maintainers our way so we can remove all of libsystemd0. It's possible to remove entirely libsystemd0. Aitor.

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread aitor_czr
On 14/4/19 9:59, aitor_czr wrote: my words have not been aimed against any people who supported devuan in the past, neither against Centurion Dan nor against KatolaZ whom i really appreciate :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread fsmithred via Dng
On 04/14/2019 04:40 AM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Sunday 14 April 2019 at 10:39:34, aitor_czr wrote: > >> On 14/4/19 10:30, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: >>> About corporations: >>> >>> If they are that interested in Devuan (and yes I'm repeating myself) they >>> should put some dedicated maintainers

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread aitor_czr
Hi fsmithred, On 14/4/19 11:22, fsmithred via Dng wrote: On 04/14/2019 04:40 AM, Antony Stone wrote: On Sunday 14 April 2019 at 10:39:34, aitor_czr wrote: On 14/4/19 10:30, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: About corporations: If they are that interested in Devuan (and yes I'm repeating myself)

Re: [DNG] Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread Jaromil
dear Massimo and mett, thanks for your messages. I think right now they well represent the spirit of the caretakers and the actual situation. You are very welcome to get involved, through the devuan-dev list and Wednesday's dev meetings. We will face this empasse in a constructive way. Katolaz

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread aitor_czr
On 14/4/19 11:46, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: I did support Devuan with mirror.smallinnovations.nl and devuan.smallinnovations.nl (and do until 30 april). I can read :) So what exactly is your point except that you apparently like to bully people? Bully people? Who is bulling

Re: [DNG] Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 05:21:48AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 01:51:39AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > > > Following common understanding with other caretakers and parallel to > > the work on the conference documentation, I have started this website, > > soon to be

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread chillfan--- via Dng
In beowulf at least you can use libelogind0 in place of libsystemd0 but packages still require something that provides it. libelogind0 shares some code with libsystemd0 and of course we only need it to provide some desktops, so there are things left where we don't need it. In beowulf at least

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread aitor_czr
On 13/4/19 16:34, mett wrote: While everybody is obviously free to leave if he realizes he does not share the same goal as the rest of the project, we are still facing a crisis. I thus believe that we should win over people who supported devuan in the past, not fight with them. Of course, i

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread aitor_czr
On 14/4/19 9:55, aitor_czr wrote: On 13/4/19 16:34, mett wrote: While everybody is obviously free to leave if he realizes he does not share the same goal as the rest of the project, we are still facing a crisis. I thus believe that we should win over people who supported devuan in the past,

Re: [DNG] How to deploy an init.d script to Devuan 2.0 (ASCII)

2019-04-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 18:54:31 +0200 Steffen Dettmer via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > At work I'm playing with Devuan in a VM supposed to replace > embedded systems. These systems have special proprietary software > which is deployed using a proprietary package manager, which > unfortunately does not

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread aitor_czr
On 14/4/19 10:40, Antony Stone wrote: How difficult is "possible"? Antony. Not so difficult. I'll work on that. Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 14 April 2019 at 10:39:34, aitor_czr wrote: > On 14/4/19 10:30, chillfan--- via Dng wrote: > > About corporations: > > > > If they are that interested in Devuan (and yes I'm repeating myself) they > > should put some dedicated maintainers our way so we can remove all of > >

Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 14-04-19 09:55, aitor_czr wrote: > On 13/4/19 16:34, mett wrote: >> While everybody is obviously free to leave if he realizes he does not >> share the same goal as the rest of the project, we are still facing a >> crisis. I thus believe that we should win over people who supported devuan >>

Re: [DNG] Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 14-04-19 14:56, aitor_czr wrote: > > And I repeat: I wishyou all the best luck in the world, you really > need it :) > > https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=systemd > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > Well Devuan needs that luck even more. I do not like systemd but it is supported by those

Re: [DNG] Way forward

2019-04-14 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 03:53:41PM +0200, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > Well Devuan needs that luck even more. I do not like systemd but it is > supported by those hated corporations (not only Red Sweat). And they > will pay for removing all those bugs. For Devuan the question has