On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 09:52:18PM +0200, Dima Krasner wrote:
> Yes, when built against systemd, both GDM and LightDM depend on it quite
> heavily, both directly and via stuff like AccountsService, D-Bus,
> gnome-session, gnome-shell and whatever. Just take a look at the code -
> lots of LOGIND_RU
On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 04:35:24AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Is there any way to track the history of a package and its adoption
> into different releases?
If a limit of supported releases only is ok for you, use rmadison (package
devscripts). It provides a view meant for ftpmasters/the relea
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 08:21:18AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> so about TRIOS, what's the deal with the forum site https://foss.rs?
> it claims in the metadata to be lang="en-US" and thusly google
> _REFUSES_ to translate it because it's "already in English".
Just change the From: field from "Detect la
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 02:54:32PM -0700, Gordon Haverland wrote:
> I happened across one, in trying to get debootstrap to run on Gentoo
> (to make a chroot jail). If something corrupts the status
How did you manage to corrupt them without hardware issues? dpkg goes
really, really paranoid there
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:21:56AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> after that i dont know but we would need hardware to test on to make any
> direct changes.
While for comprehensive testing you need an array of real hardware (as
quirks vary wildly), for basic tests you can use VMs:
* virtualbox: just clic
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 12:19:38AM +0100, tilt wrote:
> Right now I practise "+devuanX" re-versioning, so if I
> encounter a hypothetical incoming package with name "xyz"
> and version (in Jessie) "1.2.3-4" then my modified package
> will still be called "xyz" and the version will be
> "1.2.3-4+dev
On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 09:39:19PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> On Thursday, 29 de January de 2015 18:10:10 Hendrik Boom escribió:
> > So the upgrade to devuan should perhaps introduce the pin?
> > And how soes that pinning work? Simply forbidding systemd and
> > some of its relatives? Or a way te
On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 01:19:26AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> Last time I installed MATE in Debian it was not dependent on *systemd*.
> Maybe it is now, I haven't upgraded for some time.
In jessie, you need systemd (but not systemd-sysv) for things like shutdown,
reboot, suspend or hibernate f
On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 02:53:30PM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> the trick is to satisfy the dependencies without installing anything
> needing systemd. to do this you just need to use older versions of
> some packages from wheezy/stable.
>
> force version "0.105-3" for the following packages:
> polic
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 06:24:37AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> Can we make some option with a "ban this user" link at the bottom of
> emails, and when enough listusers click the link, a message is flagged for
> review?
Or at least a manual swing of the banhammer.
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:47:16AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> As far as I understand, COW means that the whole file is
> rewritten everytime you change a single byte in it (or is it only
> some "extent"?). That's a real mess when you are continuously
> appending to files hundreds of megabytes
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 05:47:04AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > > > Kernel live patching makes KDBUS and systemD support mandatory!
>
> Erm...I'm reading that kdbus was *not* merged.
>
> FWIW, kdbus was specifically mentioned when Linus blacklisted Kay Sievers.
> V3 seems to have gotten a lot o
On Sun, Mar 01, 2015 at 05:07:10PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Interesting. I've used the Debian installer before, I think in the
> time of wheezy, and it worked with existing partitions.
So does the one in jessie.
I guess you did something wrong. As long as one partition is marked for
mounti
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 05:14:26PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> >>>Is Devuan going to use the exact same guideline? If not,is there any
> >>>plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is in the future,
> >>>especially Firefox and Thunderbird?
>
> If I might offer an alternative suggestion? I'd ra
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 03:19:29PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
> *** I'm so happy to see this group. I've been using this kernel lately,
> running on Parabola:
>
> 3.14.34-gnu-201502271838-1-lts-grsec-knock
>
> GRSecurity, and Knock support. Knock is a kernel patch that enables
> single packet por
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 04:31:31PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> That is, prioritizing rather than excluding. So we can still, for
> example, keep the linux kernel. :)
The kernel is replaceable. Don't forget about kfreebsd (ok, hurd's state is
a bad joke). Of course, the pro-systemd party has
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 08:27:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Why I've never understood is why it's not the default for a Debian
> installation to have its own nameserver.
>
> Is there a reason to trust anyone else's nameserver?
Without DNSSEC, it's a fair tradeoff (no caching, but you have on
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 02:07:41PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Le 30/03/2015 13:53, John Morris a écrit :
> > Both
> >the FSF and Debian claim to be the most 'Free.'
>
> This is not my understanding. Debian does not claim to be more free
> than
> GNU. They just admit the reality that some
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 08:38:07PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> [T.J. ] To be honest, I do not quite get what the debate is over at Debian.
> That's something of a big *shrug* as far as I am concerned. Falling back on
> Google's nameserver is no better or worse than using anyone else's.
Most pub
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 07:37:57PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> When you accidentally bork a Qemu VM such that it won't boot to a
> virtual terminal, how do you bust back in. I doubt System Rescue CD
> would help, unless you can boot from the "cdrom" but somehow also
> access the existing "hard disk"
On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 03:37:39PM +0100, David Hare wrote:
> Unfortunately you can't use "provides" with a version tag.. Other packages
> might depend udev (=> x.y.x). The only solution seems to use a dummy.
That's no longer true. You can use versioned provides in jessie.
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// If you believe
On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 08:37:22PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> I'd like a straw poll on whether we should include non-free firmware in our
> installers by default.
If we were ok with unmodifiable undebuggable unfixable software, we'd be
using Windows.
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On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 06:18:37PM -0500, John Morris wrote:
> Non-free software: NO, Firmware: YES. So ixnay on things like the Nvidia
> drivers but yes on blobs. The reasoning on where to draw the line is
> pretty clear cut.
How exactly firmware is not software? Both are strings of bits encod
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 10:39:25AM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> I noted some people saying they were confused by vi. Here are basic
> instructions to get you far enough that you can install your editor of
> choice.
All that you need to deal with vi is:
Alt-F2 (possibly Ctrl-Alt-F2) killall -9 vi
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:39:41PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> the recent discussions here have made me think about what features I
> would like devuan to have which debian doesn't currently have. One
> feature that comes to mind is a long term support branch like what
> ubuntu has.
Since squeez
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:36:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 04:41:13 +0200 Franco Lanza wrote:
> > All those changes are in the direction to let the user choose, and
> > will be applied on ascii only AFTER the jessie release.
>
> Is "ascii" the set of 7 bit characters where
On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 09:57:06PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 06:44:39AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > Since squeeze, every release has amd64+i386-only long term support.
>
> Ok, there were about two years between squeeze and wheezy. There was a
> y
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:57:47PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> I'm a long time *nix user/contributor and have
> never become comfortable with vi*, even after several tries. Which
> editor you like is personal, like the food you eat, e.g. vegetarian or
> meat or ...
It's easier to change your fo
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 09:25:25AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Has anybody seen this?
>
> http://popcon.debian.org/
> https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=coreutils&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1
The server-side piece is currently br
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:35:20PM +0200, Anto wrote:
> As above, I am still using sysvinit from Debian wheezy. And I held
> util-linux to the above version. As far as I remember, I got problems using
> util-linux higher than that version. I forgot the exact the problems.
>
> What I am wondering i
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:03:55PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> Yes, Debian has adopted systemd. As a quick fix, you can stick with
> Wheezy; or you can install Jessie and then install systemd-shim and
> sysvinit. After you install systemd-shim and sysvinit, Jessie should work
> more or less as e
On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 08:42:49PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote:
> Devuan Alpha worked perfectly well for me, but not for the normal
> people that use my iMac. They expect to click shutdown and have the
> computer shutdown, no asking for passwords, no rebooting instead of
> shutting down.
That happens
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 10:13:45AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> what exactly does systemd-shim do? Is it just
> a package to trick other packages with dependencies on systemd, without
> actually installing systemd?
It allows running parts of systemd (logind, some power management functions,
etc)
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 02:02:22PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Seems to me there's something weird, both, in libreoffice depending on
> just one single version of libstdc++, and in libklabxml being broken by this
> version of libstdc++, be it the fault of kde or libstdc++ developpers.
That's t
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 03:33:31PM +0200, Anto wrote:
> On 15/08/15 14:39, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> >What is the purpose of:
> >
> >Package: init
> >Pin: origin ""
> >Pin-Priority: -1
>
> As far as I understood, the init package was developed to allow smoother
> transition of Debian default init fr
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 04:50:57PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> So you still have parts of Systemd installed then.
> dpkg -l '*systemd*'
>
> Try removing libsystemd0 and see what happens !
libsystemd0 is benign, it does nothing but provide an interface to the
daemon, which you're not going to ins
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:35:15PM +0930, Arthur Marsh wrote:
> >deb http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd main
> >deb http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd-stretch main
>
> Are you able to build the *pulse* 6.0.5 packages please?
Done.
Untested (I use pure ALSA, despite having two sound cards
Today on #debconf:
20:11 < paultag> devuan can pick a fight once they release
20:11 < paultag> Hell, they can pick a fight once they stop installing systemd
by default
20:11 < paultag> which they still do
Guys... _still_ installing systemd by default is pathethic. I provided a
set of desystemdi
On Wed, Sep 09, 2015 at 05:37:43AM -0500, hal wrote:
> I have 32-bit software I'd like to run on the adm64 alpha. The way I've
> accomplished this in the past was to install the ia32-libs package (in
> Ubuntu). I didn't see this package in the devuan repos a couple weeks ago
> so wondering what th
On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 09:24:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> That would be a far simpler task than having to learn using
> git for I task that most probably I wouldn't use again.
Avoiding learning git is a bad idea for a software developer of any kind.
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On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 08:19:10PM +0100, David Hare wrote:
> Don't know if there is an "official" plan to sort this. It is an annoyance
> that os-prober (normally run at update-grub) detects my
> (bootstrap-installed) Devuan as "Unknown Linux Distribution" then that's
> what you get in grub menu.
How do you guys like this:?
http://git.busybox.net/busybox/commit/?id=accd9eeb719916da974584b33b1aeced5f3bb346
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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 03:16:27AM +, Antonio Trkdz.tab wrote:
> I finally removed systemd from my devuan system with: apt-get purge systemd
> libsystemd0 libsystemd-daemon0.
>
> I would like to install CUPS from angband.pl repo as suggested, but when I
> issue:
> apt-get install -t nosystemd
On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 04:25:05PM +0100, Per Eric Rosén wrote:
> My question: How to get automatic suspend working i devuan jessie with Mate?
> It seems that mate-power-manager uses upower, but the upower version in
> devuan is still the "crippled" 0.99 version that dropped pm-utils support?
>
>
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 03:55:15PM +, Antonio Trkdz.tab wrote:
> @Adam:
> "When the security update of cups came, I rebuilt and uploaded it but the
> new indices reached only nosystemd-jessie while nosystemd went stale.
>
> Sorry for that, I made it a symlink now so it should work."
>
> What
On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 09:17:00AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 02/12/15 08:50, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > Yes, the crippled version in jessie requires systemd (possibly via -shim) to
> > do its job. The last good version is 0.9.23.
> > Fortunately that's the on
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 02:16:07PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Just make sure that you either keep backups of the local copy, or make
> sure the sync process won't delete stuff from the local copy. Otherwise,
> if the provider (or you, or you mail client) "gets it wrong" and your mail
> disappear
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 08:52:02PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Edward Bartolo writes:
> > I have just 'accidentally' damaged netman's git sources. Please, do
> > NOT use the 17th December 2015 commits until I resolve the problem. I
> > am trying to integrate Rainer's debian/rules patch but I a
On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 12:46:21PM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> On 19/12/15 12:02, Rowland Penny wrote:
> >Look, you troll, If you 'apt-get remove systemd' on debian, it will
> >remove Gnome or Mate, I know I tried. Anything that does this, is
> >*BAD* in my books.
>
> You're doing it wrong.
>
> h
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:12:05AM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> On 19/12/15 17:28, Adam Borowski wrote:
> >
> >Systemd-shim is a tool for running _systemd_ without it being pid 1.
> >It's useless without systemd.
> >
>
> Huh? systemd-shim is a tool for usin
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 12:21:11PM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> On 20/12/15 11:18, Adam Borowski wrote:
> >On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:12:05AM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> >>
> >>Huh? systemd-shim is a tool for using libbpam-systemd (which Gnome depends
> >>
; user-mode aptitude on my alpha-two Jessie devuan system.
>
> Yes, libpam-systemd does depend on systemd, as claimed by Adam
> Borowski.
> No, systemd-shim does not depend on systemd, and it conflicts with
> systemd. You cannot install both, as claimed by John Hughes.
Package:
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
> deb-src http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
>
> Yet there isone package that can't be upgraded currently, upower,
> it requires libplist2 but there is libplist3 in U
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 02:40:08PM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> >>No, you don't. You do have to have systemd installed, [ see below for
> >>why ], but systemd does not have to be pid 1.
> >
> >OK, systemd doesn't have to be pid1, but by your admission, you still have
> >to have it installed *even*
On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 03:14:23PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
> On Monday Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> >Fixed.
>
> Now it depends on libupower-glib1, which is obsolete. There is
> libupower-glib3 in Unstable.
libupower-glib1 comes from upower sources, that's okay. Chan
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 07:54:21AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 22/12/15 03:59, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +, Mitt Green wrote:
> >> deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd-unstable main
> >> deb-src http://angband.pl/debi
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 03:10:40PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> According to http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat, the License
> of Expat
> (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses)
> is GNU compatible. Is Devuan able to incorporate Expat licensed
> software if
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 04:32:58PM -0500, Stephanie Daugherty wrote:
> FHS 2.3 apparently. They appear to serve mostly the same purpose, but /mnt
> is specified as "temporarily mounted filesystems" while /media is specified
> as just "removable media".
>
> Regardless, since the implementation of /
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:16:17AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
> I propose a new package 'xfce4-default-settings' to customize the default
> appearance of the desktop in devuan. I also propose alsa-oss,
Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't support alsa anymore as sound platform
agnostic xfce4-mixer has
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 09:20:05AM -0500, Mitt Green wrote:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> >Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't support alsa anymore as sound platform
> >agnostic xfce4-mixer has been dropped. The replacement,
> >xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, is pulseaudio o
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 03:35:38PM -0500, Mitt Green wrote:
> > No, no, no. If you install vim* you also have to install emacs. Keep
> > nano as default editor!
>
> Editor war will never end even though everybody knows that vi(m)
> is the best.
That's a heresy! It's jstar (package joe) that's th
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 09:46:04AM +0100, richard lucassen wrote:
> Please do not forget WindowMaker which has been a lightweight, highly
> configurable and stable wm for many years.
I used to swear by it, somewhere around 1998-2000. Then, out of nostalgia,
I recently given it a look -- and faile
On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 08:15:39PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Steve Litt:
> > Where can I find documentation on how to do this? The last time I
> > compiled a kernel was probably in the 20th century, so I imagine things
> > have changed.
>
> It should be something like:
>
> download your ke
On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 09:32:31PM +0100, Karl Hammar wrote:
> Adam Borowski:
> > On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 08:15:39PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> > > download your kernel from your favourite site, e.g.
> > > ftp:ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/kernels/
> >
> > B
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 03:55:20PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Edward Bartolo writes:
>
> > 1) Should I add a manpage so that 'man netman' works?
>
> The Debian policy used to require this.
And still does.
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:52:31AM -0500, Mitt Green wrote:
> Frankly, I don't understand, why Open Sound System
> option is marked DEPRECATED in menuconfig.
Have you looked what hardware does it support?
# --- OSS sound modules
# [ ] Verbose initialisation
# [ ] Persistent DMA buffers
# < >
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:33:39PM -0500, Mitt Green wrote:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> >I see not a single piece of hardware from this millenium.
> >Thus, OSS is not just obsolete, it's historic.
>
> According to the list, it can't work on my machine, which is
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 03:02:16AM +0100, David Kuehling wrote:
> Especially on Mips one may have to work with older or non-official
> kernels, which used to be no problem with Debian, until Systemd came
> around. Here [1] it says systemd needs Linux > 3.7: I only have <= 3.5
> on my Mips machines
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 04:09:10PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
> > Beware:
> >
> > http://www.networkworld.com/article/3023447/security/linux-zero-day-affects-most-androids-millions-of-linux-pcs.html
>
> Just another local privilege escalation. May enable users to gain
> co
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 11:02:17AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> Grub is the systemd of bootloaders. It's all about pretty colors, nice
> images, and hiding the fact that processes are being instantiated.
Grub is complex, but that's caused by what it tries to do (read the kernel
image from real files
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 08:10:31PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:09:23 -0500
> Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > different color terminals for
> > ssh sessions
>
> I had played a bit with the tiling and highly (GUI) configurable
> "Terminator" but was bounced back to xterm very qu
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 03:57:43PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Safari also defaults to sending every URL you edit to Google (via Apple ?)
> - not just what you type, but the entire URL.
> It's also irritatingly stupid in that it will sometimes decide that your
> url doesn't look like a url and do
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:33:52PM +1030, Arthur Marsh wrote:
> Hi, has anyone built the xserver-xorg-core from Debian unstable without
> libsystemd0?
libsystemd0 is benign. The new dependency on libpam-systemd is worse, as it
actually breaks things if systemd is absent.
On the other hand, rebui
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 09:15:18AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 05:16:04PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > I just uploaded deinfested xserver-xorg packages, but I don't have the time
> > right now to test on diverse setups. All I tested is my home desk
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 04:08:15PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> I believe your conspiracy theory is not too far from reality,
> indeed. As a matter of fact, the support for the FreeBSD port has
> never been official
Incorrect, kfreebsd _was_ an official supported architecture, in squeeze and
wheezy. S
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 12:40:25PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 09:54:53 +0100
> aitor_czr wrote:
>
> > On 02/03/2016 08:30 AM, Mitt Green wrote:
> > > I don't think it should contain Devuan word in it,
> > > as long as people from other communities
> > > will probably use it t
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 10:39:17PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> If the new name is not unique, it doesn't help much to rename netman
> as potential users will still find difficulty locating it.
You really want a name that lets an user googling for it show only related
pages -- as this is what us
On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 02:26:16AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 01:27:26 +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
> > On 02/06/2016 07:27 PM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> > >> >Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is
On Mon, Feb 08, 2016 at 01:27:19PM +1100, Simon Wise wrote:
> >>My understanding is that both the rpi0 and rpi1 are based on a ARMv6
> >>chip, which makes them closer to armel than to armhf. So, I'm afraid
> >>you're stuck with raspbian for now.
>
> raspbian is in between armel and armhf because d
On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 09:20:32AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 09:15:28AM +0100, shraptor wrote:
> > >Vdev is still in its final stages of development, as far as I know.
> > >Running on developpment asd some test systems, but still being
> > >thorougly tested on corner case
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:41:19PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> But POSIX conformance is not enough, /bin/dash in the shebang obviously
> renders portability impossible. Just look at any system script in your
> Debian or Devuan system and tell me if any of them start with #! /bin/dash.
https:/
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 02:00:46PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> Try to use git for what it was conceived: revision management. And a
> revision is not a release. The strategy suggested by Rainer,
> i.e. maintaining personal branches where every consistent set of
> changes is fixed into a commit, is usua
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 07:51:47PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote:
> No idea, why they did it,
> but anyway, who uses whitespaces in
> names of scripts? I always get
> rid of them even when naming
> wallpapers.
script names: no.
C/Pascal/COBOL sources: no.
mp3/videos/ebooks/etc: hell yes.
The change is
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 10:13:34PM +, Noel Torres wrote:
> THIS is an example of how to do it properly. But you can not (currently)
> version virtual packages.
Why not?
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On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 08:02:52AM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> just to let you know that devuan runs also on the new raspberry pi 3
> (I had no doubt about it, since it is very similar to the rpi2).
Devuan has only armhf so far, you want arm64 for rpi3.
> Ironically, my stopwatch says that the sysvin
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 09:42:22PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> Well, you can also use armhf (32bits), and live happy :)
That would be as bad as using i386 instead of amd64 or x32 (the equivalent
of x32 is arm32 which is not a Debian architecture yet -- as the difference
between armhf and arm32 is far
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 08:52:51PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
> To my knowledge, systemd works only for Linux, and kFreeBSD desappeared from
> the stable branch of debian. But i just found GNU/kFreeFSD images of debian
> in the testing branch:
>
> Is systemd spreading to other kernels, or is systemd
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 04:21:15PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
> Two minor annoyance issues, and one curiosity, in today's install of
> devuan-cli:
>
> 1] sudo is not installed by default
Why should it be? It's a package of priority "optional"; only those of
"important" and usually (unless you unc
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 04:29:47PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
> On today's install device, I had a pre-existing linux with a swap
> partition on the disk, and the partitioner insisted on re-formatting it.
> This is BAD. It changes the UUID of the swap partition, which messes up
> the other operating
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 05:19:33PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
> 1] For a day-to-day changing alpha release it makes plenty of sense to
> keep the initial download as small as possible, since so much is
> expected to change as part of the development process.
>
> 2] OTOH, a developer wants to encour
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 03:53:26PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Daniel Reurich writes:
> > whether you wan to create a root password is prompted for in the
> > installation. If you choose not to then sudo will be installed
> > otherwise not.
>
> This seems a bit arbitrary: System I manage usu
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:44:30AM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 23/03/16 11:35, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > I hope you know that, since jessie, password remote logins for root are
> > disabled unless you enable them yourself.
> >
> I think this is problematic and shoul
On Fri, Apr 01, 2016 at 12:58:23PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote:
> Just looking at issues with the devuan default desktop's screensave, and
> its config file: ~/.xscreensaver file, posted here for the attention of
> the maintainers and the interest of members of the list.
>
> 1] Obnoxious nag message
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 06:18:49PM +0300, Lars Noodén wrote:
> > I believe that the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a relatively old project,
> > indeed (it dates back to 2009, IIRC), even if it looks abandoned at
> > the moment (or not actively developed, at least). I don't know whether
> > they are now re
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 07:31:26AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 03:15:56PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 05:58:38PM +, hellekin wrote:
> > > 1.0 is Jessie (upcoming beta...)
> > > 2.0 is ASCII
> > > 3.0 is B...
> > > 4.0 is C...
> >
> > What!? Only
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:27:16AM +0200, parazyd wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2016, Steven W. Scott wrote:
> >Just curious, anyone else getting segfaults after compiling with gcc -O3
> >optimization flag on alpha 4? Same system, same code, same flags work ok
> >on Wheezy. If I back down to
On Sun, May 01, 2016 at 07:10:31PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Robert Storey wrote:
> > As I mentioned in the "Beta" thread, whenever I tried to access devuan.org,
> > I got a message:
> >
> > "This webpage is not available"
>
> Perhaps try the following for clues:
>
> dig devuan.org
Especially d
On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 04:43:11PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
> On 05/03/2016 02:00 PM, "Stephanie Daugherty" wrote:
> >udeb files (aka micro-deb) are stripped down packages only used in building
> >the installer and loading installer components into memory via a network
> >connection
>
> Some of th
On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 05:15:56PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Debian is dropping suppoort for i586. It seems to mean tht the i386
> platform will no longer run on 586 processors, as gcc starts to generate
> instructions that are incalid there.
[...]
> I don't know if we need to watch out for
On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 06:57:22PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Not worth the effort, I'd say. Jessie still has four years of
> > security support (I don't think Devuan has the manpower to provide
> > security support for 40k+ packages alone after Debian ends it), and
> > if you'd _still_ run that
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