Hi T.J., sorry this is late--this thread got lost in my inbox.
Thank you for your feedback regarding GPLv3. My reason for choosing it was
because it explicitly grants an irrevocable patent license to downstream
coders, whereas GPLv2 does not. I would think this would make it more
attractive to
.
Jude
On Dec 24, 2014 2:37 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:26:10PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
+1 for apulse. It's proven stable enough for Skype calls in my (limited)
experience with it, which is the only reason I would have had for
installing
I see vdev as more of a medium/long-term solution. I'd create a
libudev-compat library that implemented the udev API, but I'd structure
vdev to expose the same information via the filesystem (so libudev-compat
would just perform the requisite filesystem queries for legacy
applications).
Jude
On
offers it,
but Linux does not (AFAIK; I know that there's been interest in adding it).
-Jude
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
enrico.weig...@gr13.net wrote:
On 31.12.2014 01:56, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hi,
A much more elegant solution would be to give each session
:58, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hey everyone,
I just thought I'd post an update on vdev, since I'd mentioned earlier
that I was shooting for packages by now. It will take a couple more
days, but I'm pleased to say that the pre-alpha vdev can do the following:
* populate itself with all block and char
, can you
open an issue on the issue tracker [1] describing this, and tag it as a
feature request?
Thanks,
Jude
[1] https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev/issues
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Aldemir Akpinar aldemir.akpi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 2 January 2015 at 10:58, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com
Hey everyone,
Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend on
some part of systemd? I'd like to get the ball rolling on compiling out
systemd dependencies for Devuan packages, but I don't want to duplicate
anyone's efforts.
Maybe a good first step would be to get a list
I think that in the limit, it would be ideal that every piece of
software--no matter how obscure--would have sufficiently extensive
documentation to cover every single corner case of its operation (and I
want a pony, while I'm making impossible wishes :P)
I humbly recommend that the official
, and start parceling out responsibility for them.
-Jude
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote:
Jude Nelson wrote:
Hey everyone,
Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend on
some part of systemd? I'd like to get the ball rolling on compiling
I also like the last logo the best. It's not on the survey, however.
-Jude
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Dima Krasner d...@dimakrasner.com wrote:
My vote goes to the last logo from
http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/Logo_2ndpass.pdf (D with a spiral).
The typography is great.
On Sun,
:
dear Jude,
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hey everyone,
Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend
on
some part of systemd?* I'd like to get the ball rolling on compiling
out
systemd dependencies for Devuan packages, but I don't want
If Google Translate has any accuracy, it means your vote was registered
(it's the usual Survey Monkey message, but in Italian).
-Jude
2015-02-08 13:38 GMT-05:00 Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com:
On Sun, 2015-02-08 at 18:03 +, Jaromil wrote:
hi,
A fellow VUA has ...anonymously
Regarding seeing battery levels from the GUI, I currently use fdpowermon.
It polls the battery info from sysfs every few seconds via acpi.
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote:
On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 01:19:26AM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
Last time I
at 04:05:46PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hey Isaac, this looks great! Starred and watched :)
Thanks!
Related, I've just committed some (very) preliminary code for
libudev-compat in the vdev repository that's meant to be both API and
ABI-compatible with libudev. I think we're working towards
hwdb files
udev_util: only one string-encoding method; nothing to see here.
-Jude
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 08:56:10PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
Regarding the architecture, I have a design document here:
http
Hey, this is cool! Looking forward to putting it to use in libudev-compat,
since it looks like I'll be needing a way to find a device file's sysfs
path.
-Jude
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
Those who've been following the list in the last
Moreover, vdev will support the option of simply generating the device
files for the system's current hardware configuration and promptly
exiting. You won't have to leave it running, and if your hardware
configuration changes, you can simply re-run it and it will add/remove the
requisite device
Hey Isaac, this looks great! Starred and watched :)
Related, I've just committed some (very) preliminary code for
libudev-compat in the vdev repository that's meant to be both API and
ABI-compatible with libudev. I think we're working towards the same
end--make a library that can replace
at 12:01 AM, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Isaac,
I was asking about implementation details (something like the HACKING
document that many projects have, giving an overview of how it works
internally).
Good idea; I'll add one.
I'm getting the impression that libsysdev won't
ready, I have several Epoch and runit experimental setups I'd like
to use it on.
Thanks,
SteveT
Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 09:50:11 -0500
Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote:
I was looking
This one's a troll. I've added his new address to my killfile already.
-Jude
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:07 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:41:48AM -0800, Usspookes Lovesystemd wrote:
[cut]
You are shitsucking scum in that you won't have Bastille for
Hey Jaromil,
I just want to make sure I'm doing this right (and I apologize in advance
if I am not). I imported dbus from Debian upstream, including previous
tags and commit histories, into the dbus repository in git.devuan.org. I
merged the fix for CVE-2015-0245. I tagged it as
(If I recall correctly, non-root X is only possible with systemd or
on openbsd, so that's a moot point for now.)
From what I recall reading up on this, you should be able to run X as an
unprivileged user on Linux without systemd as long as your video card has a
driver with KMS support. IIRC,
3
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
re all,
Here is a pre-alpha sneak preview of Devuan at the current state of
affairs. It is my valentine to Franco: despite we probably never met in
person, I love him. He is really dedicated to this project and putting
The dev teams seems very quiet and isolated, which is okay - but it makes
them seem less approachable if you are on the list.
I think this is a good idea, even if only to keep me motivated :) I'll
start.
** vdev **
It's been slow-going for me these past couple weeks since I've had to
devote
integration testing in a VM, for example.
Regards,
-Jude
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:15 AM, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
hi,
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
To clarify, the SDK will pull a package from Debian, and create a new
branch for each version so maintainers can observe
generated from sysfs get processed. That way, adding support for this
scenario won't affect the core logic.
-Jude
On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
enrico.weig...@gr13.net wrote:
On 03.01.2015 23:07, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hi Aldemir,
That sounds like a good
it.
This means you will provide support for inotify in vdevfs? AFAIK there
isn't in every filesystem, eg sysfs.
Didier
Le 17/03/2015 09:48, Jude Nelson a écrit :
How would that watching work?
vdevd-user would have an inotify(2)-based back-end (hopefully via
libkqueue, so it would
device event with the
relevant information (e.g. by querying the device metadata that the
system's vdevd puts into /dev/vdev/...).
-Jude
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber reisenwe...@web.de
wrote:
On Tue 17 March 2015 01:20:43 Jude Nelson wrote:
What I'm considering doing
Hey everyone,
I have the latest news on vdev over the past two weeks. I'm not sure if
the news from last week made it to the mailing list; apologies if the
latter half of this email is redundant.
[Week of March 15]
This week, the Linux port of vdev is now accesses /sys in a manner that is
Hi Udo,
I'm not part of the VUA, and what I'm about to say is by no means
comprehensive or official.
I'd say things are looking up for Devuan:
* The Devuan package repository is available at http://apt.devuan.org/devuan.
I think the current plan is to mirror Debian's repositories and copy in
Hi Anto,
I think the plan is to make the installation of all systemd components
optional. The packages in git.devuan.org that are cloned from Debian's
sources have build flags set automatically to compile out systemd
dependencies, for example.
If you're wondering what's pulling in libsystemd0
(I just opened issue #18 on the github page to see
about running specific actions as an unprivileged user, if this is a
concern).
-Jude
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de
wrote:
Am Dienstag, 17. März 2015, 01:20:43 schrieb Jude Nelson:
Hey everyone,
Hi
.
-Jude
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2015 04:48:46 -0400
Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote:
How would that watching work?
vdevd-user would have an inotify(2)-based back-end (hopefully via
libkqueue, so it would be portable
I think what we're after is a way to accept/reject software based on a
well-defined set of acceptance criteria. It sounds like we're trying to
say that the mission statement of Devuan is something like Devuan
prioritizes the inclusion of Free Software that follows the Unix software
design
Woo! I can't wait to start testing with vdev :D
Thank you to everyone involved!
-Jude
On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
Hi all,
This is the initial release of the Alpha series, base-system stripped at
minimum and distributed in Vagrant format (virtualbox
, they
shouldn't have to do anything.
-Jude
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
I'm pleased to announce that vdev can successfully boot to a
console on the Devuan vagrant image!* It creates all requisite
device files
3) I don't think this is a great place for unsubstantiated attacks on
Ulrich Drepper or on Ulrich Drepper's leadership of glibc.
Ulrich Drepper's bad attitude is cited as one of the main reasons Debian
switched from glibc to eglibc. Source: http://blog.aurel32.net/47.
-Jude
On Wed, Mar 25,
Hi Scooby,
It's not ready yet--it's not yet ABI-compatible with libudev (but it is
API-compatible--Kay Sievers' tests pass when recompiled).
Some background for the rest of the list. I've managed to extract the
required variables, macros, and headers from systemd 219 to make libudev
compile
The problem there is that a consecutive boot system needs to probe for
hardware and give that hardware time to show up, blocking the boot
process in the meantime.
The only hardware detection during boot that *needs* to block is mounting
the root device. Boot cannot proceed without that. To
, lvm --forgot-the-parameter,
cryptsetup open, and the others that allow you to do cool things with
your filesystems.
Sorry for the confusion this caused and my poor choice of words.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Jude Nelson - jud...@gmail.com
devuan.kn.ae5676beef.judecn#gmail@ob.0sg.net
, upgrade, or failsafe. They do not
sleep on the start/stop critical paths. Thus, I stand by my earlier
point that timeouts aren't an expected part of the boot process.
-Jude
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote:
If you need to generically support a wide range
Hey Isaac,
So, I'm looking at startx here:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xinit/tree/startx.cpp
Where's the offending block of code? Is it lines 191-200?
Looking at the commit history (
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xinit/log/), it doesn't look like
startx sees many changes these
Hi Didier,
Thank you for offering! I haven't tried statically linking vdev or its
helper programs yet, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. You'll need to
tweak the vdevd and vdevd helper program makefiles (in vdevd/Makefile and
vdevd/helpers/LINUX/Makefile, respectively) to add the -static
Hey everyone,
A few people have asked me privately how to help test vdev, for which I am
very grateful :) It inspired me to write up a tutorial and crash course to
testing and using vdev [1]. The instructions should work in the Vagrant
image (or in Debian testing/unstable, for that matter).
Thankfully, the puppy should be fine :) She only ate a few capsules, and
we caught her just after the fact, so we were able to get her proper
treatment before the toxicity could set in. We get to take her home from
the vet either tonight or tomorrow.
-Jude
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:15 AM,
and no one has been troubled enough by it to
reimplement a replacement. Jude Nelson suggests that if
inter-process communication could be done all over again from
scratch it would probably take the form of userspace API filesystems.
## Missing Bits
As the activity on the list intensified
Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features,
it also has no real security support.
No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security.
The fact that the Linux build of Chromium runs each tab and plugin in its
own seccomp'ed process and runs them
Have you tried dd'ing the .iso directly to the USB stick?
Example:
# dd if=/path/to/valentine/pre-alpha.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
(assuming /dev/sdb is your USB device).
-Jude
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com
wrote:
I have a three-or-four year-old laptop on
Congratulations Dima! This is wonderful news for the future of Devuan!
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Dima Krasner d...@dimakrasner.com wrote:
Hello folks,
Good news on the logind front! I got the pre-alpha to play nicely with
LoginKit instead of logind.
http://i.imgur.com/1PTI6L5.png
Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 08:00:58PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
I consider vdev closer to being done than closer to having been just
started, and it's mature enough that early testers can start
experimenting
with using it to boot Devuan in a VM (maybe even
Hey everyone,
In keeping with the request to give more frequent status updates on
development, here's where things stand now with vdev.
=== CURRENT STATUS ===
I consider vdev closer to being done than closer to having been just
started, and it's mature enough that early testers can start
,
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hey everyone,
In keeping with the request to give more frequent status updates on
development, here's where things stand now with vdev.
many thanks!
one quick q (sry if I don't answer it myself looking at the code...)
(1) Create
Nevertheless, RPC had already been solved in a general way by SunRPC
(ONCRPC) before either GNOME or KDE existed. Heck, the earliest versions
predate Linux.
Given the combined functionality offered by PolicyKit/Polkit and dbus, I'm
beginning to think that FreeDesktop has succeeded in
with other programs that must run as PID 1.
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 2:58 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 06:53:54PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
[cut]
I took a stab at stating what Unix software design philosophy means
earlier up the thread, but I'll reproduce
Hi John,
I think the general consensus right now is that Devuan prioritizes the
inclusion of Free Software that adheres to the Unix software design
philosophy. Like Debian, Devuan strives to be a Universal Operating System
by giving users as much freedom as possible in the choice of what
GCC was deliberately making things interdepend on each other, even
without technical reasons, simply to prevent commercial entities to
replace the e.g. front-end of the compiler with some proprietary code
and then have that use the GPL backend. This would enable a new,
proprietary language to
in 2008 on
the subject, for example:
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20081029164221
-Jude
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 6:36 PM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
*From:* Jude Nelson [mailto:jud...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2015 3:50 PM
*To:* T.J. Duchene
*Cc:* dng
I'm all for it. If there are a set of packages that usually get installed
together, we can create a metapackage for them.
-Jude
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Franco Lanza next...@nexlab.it wrote:
Personally on debian i was using from date
APT:Install-Recommends 0;
APT:Install-Suggests 0;
Hi Anto,
I am confused now about your comment that we can install any/all device
managers and pick one that gets started at boot-time via the alternatives
system.
I initially thought that vdev requires udev or any other device managers
to work. But since you added the command to disable
Hi Svante,
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:53 AM, Svante Signell svante.sign...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, 2015-04-27 at 13:49 -0400, Haines Brown wrote:
I'm running debian wheezy on a 32-bit machine. Given the appearance of
Jessie last Saturday, it seemed time to try out devuan. Because I don't
Hi Isaac,
[Snip]
Theoretically, it *should* work if /etc/{passwd,group} are present in the
initramfs, with those paths. It's possible to mistakenly copy them to /
instead of /etc, but I assume that you've already checked that.
Detail that shouldn't make a difference but might:
static or
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Didier Kryn k...@in2p3.fr wrote:
Le 29/04/2015 22:34, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:47:27AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
I'm under the impression you can do most or all of what needs to be
done in the actual init, rather than the initramfs.
Hi James,
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:26 AM, James Powell james4...@hotmail.com wrote:
The discussion has not been favorable towards the adoption from current
reading on LKML. Past tests have not proven reliability, nor any
significant increase of speed of messaging across the IPC. Linus seems
Hi Jaret,
It would probably help to have some ground rules on how Devuan handles
packages which provide systemd support. I know Devuan says Nope! when it
comes to anything that would introduce systemd/init system dependencies,
but does it ever get more elaborate than that? If it is already
Since I have time on my hands, I would like to give a try stripping
the bare minimum of necessary functions from systemd. I know the task
is complex. If I fail, it will not be the end of the universe.
Which systemd source version are you using? I am assuming it should be
version: 215-17 from
Following up to what T.J. said...
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:15 PM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the fact that I pointed out clearly shows that there is very good
technical reason to exclude udev, unless you are willing to be the
maintainer
of udev outside systemd
Hi Steve,
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2015 23:24:42 -0400
Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey everyone,
I have the latest news for vdev:
* vdev now creates symlinks for:
-- /dev/v4l/by-path
-- /dev/disk
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Jack L. Frost f...@fleshless.org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 08:03:02PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hey everyone,
I have the latest news for vdev:
Hi. I dunno if it's very relevant to this particular mailing list, but
still.
I've packaged vdev and all
Hi James,
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:58 PM, James Powell james4...@hotmail.com
wrote:
I agree T. J.
The problem is too much thinking about problems, rather than offering a
clear solution other than scrapping the fore and replacing it entirely
seems to be the source of the problem.
One
Hi Anto,
Thanks a lot for all your efforts on this.
My pleasure :)
It looks like we are getting closer now, or at least to be able to compile
vdev as a deb package. And it seems the only package that needs to be
re-compile is initramfs. Do you think it is reasonable now to start
Hi Anto,
Sorry for the late reply; I had been super busy with work over the last 24
hours.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote:
On 15/04/15 05:20, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hi Anto,
Don't you want to know my setup?
Yes, eventually :) Â However, I don't want
that the realpath of the mountpoint is
the same as or is a subdirectory of a devtmpfs mountpoint, that's why--we
(currently) can't rely on the f_fsid in statfs(2) or statvfs(2).
Thanks,
Jude
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Anto,
[snip]
I am not really sure
Hi Anto,
I push code to both github and git.devuan.org. Either one works :)
Thanks,
-Jude
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote:
On 17/04/15 06:00, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hi Anto,
I just committed preliminary support for using vdevd with devtmpfs.
vdevd should
Hi Didier,
[Snip]
Hello Jude.
Here is a brief summary of what I did up to now. The goal was to
install a minimal rootfs in flash memory of an embeded Powerpc (MVME3100)
to use as a sandbox.
1) I compiled a kernel with the following boot parameters:
Hi Anto,
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote:
On 18/04/15 19:46, Anto wrote:
Hello Jude,
I have tried a lot other combinations but the problem remains, that is
the init fails to mount the root partition.
I am not sure why as I can manually mount any disks that
Hi Steve,
On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 00:08:54 -0400
Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote:
The init program in example/initramfs/init goes into
/usr/share/initramfs-tools/init, not /sbin/init :) The initramfs's
init
Hi Anto,
Don't you want to know my setup?
Yes, eventually :) However, I don't want to waste your time either, at
least until I am more confident that the vdev installation process works
correctly.
Maybe there are some packages required by your vdev, but I don't have them
installed on my
It just occurred to me that my reply wasn't CC'ed to the ML.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update
To: Anto arya...@chello.at
Hi Anto, thank you for giving that a try!
I am
Hey Anto,
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote:
On 14/04/15 21:18, Anto wrote:
Hello Jude,
I have just done the following:
- remove /etc/vdev
- |git pull https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev|- remove /etc/vdev
- make clean
- compile and install libvdev, vdevd and
a wiki page with all contributors accounted for--not only developers,
but also testers, bug-hunters, integrators, editors, document-writers,
graphic artists, packagers, and so on. We're all in this together :)
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6
If I ever write a desktop suite, it will store settings as a well-defined
directory tree with human-meaningful file names and contents instead of a
MySQL database or a large flat opaque file.
That's just me, though.
Jude
On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:37 PM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Scooby,
[Snip]
However, this has proven to be a somewhat challenging problem, for a
couple reasons. First, inotify(2) does not work on pseudo-filesystems like
sysfs or devtmpfs, so we can't just watch /sys for changes, and we can't
use devtmpfs for /dev. This means that systems using
Hi Isaac,
[snip]
libsysdev is meant to help clients pull information from sysfs. I don't
think it is supposed to help clients run privileged ioctls (Isaac, please
correct me if I'm wrong!).
Not at present.
It basically maps a device to a sysfs directory and possibly gets a
*little*
suggest that Pottering is evil,
Definitely looking forward to this stopping. Seriously, it's not Lennart's
fault that Debian decided to switch to systemd. If you want to blame
anyone for this, blame the CTTE, the DDs who voted against init freedom in
the GR, and the systemd fanbois who
Welcome aboard, Jeremy!
The easiest way to help out is to use Devuan regularly, and keep track of
the things about it that bother you. Then, try to figure out how to fix
them, and share your fixes--be they new program configurations, shell
scripts, Python scripts or C programs. If you ever get
Unlike systemd, you can easily get a working desktop system without
PulseAudio, even on Debian.
IIRC, the only commonly-used program that requires PulseAudio is Skype, and
I've been able to get by even then by using apulse[1].
-Jude
[1] https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at
for.
-Jude
-Jonathan
On Thursday, April 9, 2015 2:10 PM, Jude Nelson jud...@gmail.com
wrote:
It has been suggested several times now that the reason Debian developers
supposedly suffer a disconnect from Debian users is because there are
dedicated -dev and -user mailing lists, where -dev
Hi Isaac,
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 05:22:55PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
report every kind of device, since it listens to the kernel's
driver
core
(i.e. libudev learns about network interfaces, buses, power
Hi Jaret,
On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Jaret Cantu ja...@realitysend.com wrote:
Just pushed eudev to the Devuan git.
https://git.devuan.org/jaretcantu/eudev
I used eudev version 1.9 since it is based on systemd 215. That is the
udev/systemd version used by Jessie, so it just seemed
Hey everyone,
I've just pushed my first stab at libudev-compat to the vdev repository.
It took a while to work out how to remove the need for udev to send libudev
clients device events, but I think I've figured out something that works.
Instead of sending events via a netlink multicast group,
Hi Jack,
On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Jack L. Frost f...@fleshless.org wrote:
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 01:31:40AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hey everyone,
I've just pushed my first stab at libudev-compat to the vdev repository.
It took a while to work out how to remove the need
I'm not worried. Linus won't accept kdbus until he thinks it's in a
position where it will be stable and easily supported for the foreseeable
future. Watching kdbus get refactored a few times over this past year, I'd
wager a guess that they're going to end up keeping as much of dbus in
userspace
Whelp, looks like kdbus in systemd is no longer optional (but to be fair,
its use can be disabled at runtime, and won't be used anyway if kdbus isn't
present in the kernel).
Announcement:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-June/033170.html
-Jude
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at
Has anyone taken a look at pleaserun? Link:
https://github.com/jordansissel/pleaserun. It's made by the same person
who wrote fpm (Jordan Sissel). It lets you generate init scripts for a
plethora of different inits, given only the installed location of the
binary.
-Jude
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015
Looks like Linus weighed in. I found the whole conversation thread
interesting.
http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/05492.html
-Jude
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:28 PM, KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote:
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 08:15:01PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
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Hi Isaac,
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 08:18:18PM -0400, JeremyBekka C wrote:
Hi Jeremy,
I have a question about the deprecated program hal. We like to stream
videos from Amazon.com but we need hal installed in order
Hi Isaac,
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:49 AM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 02:55:09PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
Hi Isaac,
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com
wrote:
I've looked at https://github.com/cshorler/hal-flash
Hi Jeremy,
I have a question about the deprecated program hal. We like to stream
videos from Amazon.com but we need hal installed in order to make it work.
The Hal Debian wiki says that it is being deprecated and it is being
replaced by udev (https://wiki.debian.org/hal). Since vdev is being
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Franco Lanza next...@nexlab.it wrote:
On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 08:37:22PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
Hi,
I'd like a straw poll on whether we should include non-free firmware in
our
installers by default.
It's a deviation from Debians traditional
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