Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 4, Issue 23

ilar" to something that even not exist yet :) > > Anyway, NHF :) > Hi Dragan, thank you very much for your work. BTW, do you have any plan to provide a TRIOS webpage in english for the few of us who do not understand Serbian? :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

a Recommend is simply unnecessary (like exim4 recommended by mutt) but in many other cases Recommends include "standard" package associations, which would make your package loose some important/typical functionalities if not installed (like in the case of ghostscript recommended by gi

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:59:55PM +0700, Ста Деюс wrote: > Доброго времени суток, KatolaZ. > > > Спасибо за ответ, Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:52:39 +, вы писали: > > Well, unfortunately there is currently no clear-cut about > > Recommends. In most of the cases a package

Re: [Dng] Use/misuse of depends

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 07:29:02PM +0100, Tomasz Kundera wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 5:26 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > > > To be honest, I think there is no final solution to this issue, unless > > you opt for a completely centralised (and nazist, in a good way) >

Re: [Dng] The countdown

that are making this happening. Thanks guys. We will be patiently waiting here until "the moment" will come :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/IC

Re: [Dng] Package Versions

surviving is by making advantage of the Debian corpus of packages, keeping branches and changes to a minimum My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#32578

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

otential damage that ignorance can make...). I believe that the way forward is simple: let's give standard, rock-solid working environments to "home users", as that provided so far by Debian & relatives, but leave the freedom to mess things up to the people that know how to do

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

for the home user", under the assumption that the system should act as a nanny and be able to deal with the ignorance, lack of experience and laziness of the "home user", even for tasks that can potentially hinder the functionality of the entire operating system. That's why I ge

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

On Sun, Feb 01, 2015 at 08:11:54PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Feb 01, 2015 at 10:13:09PM +0000, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > My point is that if you need to care about boot loaders (or > > recompiling the kernel, or shrinking/extending a couple of > > partitions), t

Re: [Dng] Please!! revive Bastille hardening tool for Devuan - Conflict of Interest

and I have not got it yet, so in that case I hope the others will forgive me for this last bit of flesh I offered to your hungry guts... Best -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#3

Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists

since 2001 known as Bastille-Linux. Fuck you for saying it > "will" never work when it HAS worked for 14 years up untill Debian broke > compatability with TK and perl! > Ah OK, I see then: you are a troll. Sorry guys. Shame over me. Won't do that again :D Best -- [ E

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

existing masses, an alarm should ring in our heads. My2cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

ul, and I bet I'm not alone. Hi Steve, I normally use wpa_supplicant for my usual wifi networks and wicd (which sucks in many ways, unfortunately) to easily configure on-the-fly networks I don't use more than once. You don't need the network-manager nonsense at all to have an easy

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

asier to repackage directly from upstream... I suppose that nobody can decide on this matter right now. And to be honest I personally don't care about using Devuan packages on Debian. There will be no need to do that from the moment we will switch to Devuan ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nic

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46:42PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:40:33 + > KatolaZ wrote: > > > Having said that, and besides the fact > > that I don't understand what you mean by a "temporary fork" (a fork is > > a fork, it

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

by piece, under the axe of "progress" and "usability", and with it most of its derivatives and companions. For me it's either having a (possibly Debian-like) functioning and fuss-free GNU/Linux, which I can tinker with as like and I have done so far, or going somew

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

n without the systemd-nonsense), knowing that it inherits some of the merits of one of the most important collaborative projects in the history of Free Software, wouldn't you? :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] ka

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 01:01:21PM -0300, hellekin wrote: [cut] > > > > >> a functioning and fuss-free GNU/Linux, which I can tinker with as like > > > *** Word, KatolaZ, word. :) > I am sorry I am trashing your mailboxes with tons of words :( I would rather l

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

bian wheezy (apparently not the 7.8, which already has got some systemd-nonsense due to backports). I would not put anything mission-critical on a distro that is still on pre-alpha, although it is in principle a Debian without systemd... :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLU

[Dng] pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

mp; (boots the system) Just two words: IT WORKS :) HH KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E F

Re: [Dng] pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 02:52:12AM +, KatolaZ wrote: > Hi guys, > > a few simple steps to have Devuan-pre-alpha-valentine installed and > running on qemu: > > 0)# wget > "http://mirror.debianfork.org/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso"; > >

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

nciples that inspired the *nix phylosophy and that brought me to love it. If the systemd-nonsense is the direction GNU/Linux is going to follow, then most of the fun will be over pretty soon, believe it or not. That's why I am here, why I really hope that Devuan will live and flourish, and why I

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

s a bad habit to use packges from different distros, especially in production environments, and mixing Debian and Devuan is not an exception (as it is not mixing Ubuntu with Debian...) It will be hard for all of us to leave Debian, believe me, but again revolutions are not cheap... HND KatolaZ --

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

butions in less than two years, under the motto "either you understand that what I propose is *right* or you are just a moron" HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -

Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:36:38AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > Then KatolaZ exactly documented the four steps to installation, and I > said "I can do that in my sleep, while doing other work!" So I did it, > and it worked (although slowly because -enable-kvm wa

Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

ean something if it's said by one of the most verbose mailinglisters on planet Earth :) Luke: there is no way to change history, unfortunately. Debian has decided, and will go downhill on systemd, and nobody can do anything to stop this. It's unbelievable, and sad, and dull, but it's

Re: [Dng] The value of good docs: was pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

t the "Web Browser" button tries to open w3m and all you can see is (obviously) a terminal for 1/4th of a second and then nothing :) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

Devuan from the [bad] guys". If we would like to do something good for Devuan we should now focus on helping Devuan developers making it happen, not defending them from being zombified by unspecified members of "The Dark Power(TM)" :P -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka Katol

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

o One Thing And Do It Well", and just try for the moment to give to the users an alternative to the systemd-nonsense. This is the most important bit right now. If we fail, there will be a pretty small space remaining to fight for "freedom of choice", if any... My2Cents KatolaZ

Re: [Dng] Kicking the tires on Valentine release

I can confirm wdm is still in Debian (I have been using it since "new" GDM became so large to require a few dozens other packages to run properly, around 7 or 8 years ago). It just works. HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] kat

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

ich in fact was not just technical but phylosophical (and if you call the result of the GR a "decision" then we have very different views about what "deciding" means). My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeuni

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

ehind it, IMHO. I believe that the most important thing at the moment is to have a working Devuan, not having a nice logo for it, which is something that will become important afterwards, when Devuan is stable and when it has a user base. People do not choose distributions for their logo. Otherw

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 07:13:38PM +, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > > Well, I agree about the necessity of having a logo, but there is no > point into having a great brand without anything concrete behind it, > IMHO. I believe that the most important thing at the moment is to h

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

on a production server? Who is going to pay for the downtime that these "little glitches" are going to cause? How much should systemd damage the image of GNU/Linux before everybody realise how much of a nonsense it is? :( KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania --

Re: [Dng] three important UI features

d better have strong foundations before even start thinking about how the furniture of the penthouse on the 18th floor should look like My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ]

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

nless they use this freedom to break my toys apart, in which case I get nervous ;) I personally don't see the massive usage of Perl or Python *per se* as a threat to the reliability of the OS. I think that bad programming habits in C or C++ are even more dangerous than good Perlisms, as the

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

you will write good code in asm, C, Perl, Python or Erlang. If you are not, then your code will be crap anyway :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

see how the problems of garbage collection in Java are related with good or bad programming practices, or with a supposedly terribly long chain of dependencies required by Perl and Python modules somebody mourned about earlier in the thread :) And I don't get how this relates to the develo

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

can do in three lines of Perl what would require a few hundred lines of C (plus a few additional libraries)... My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

vive in most parts of the world with a little English (or a little Python, out of the metaphor), but it is undeniable that your communication potential increases more than linearly with the number of human languages you can fluently speak (or with the number and variety of programming language

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

n two hours, at most, and gives you the same set of functionalities at the cost of a slightly longer processing time (in the range of tens of seconds, or minutes, in the worst case). And if I have to use that code only once (as it is *very often* the case with 98% of the code), then the Python way i

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

sters complaining about an endless thread... :D HND KatolaZ ^^^ :P -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprin

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

sk. Sometimes the answer is "C. Fullstop", some other times it is "Python. Fullstop", and some other times it might be "well, either would be just fine", and I usually opt for C ;) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Media

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

On Tue, Mar 03, 2015 at 04:42:42PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: > On Tue, 3 Mar 2015 07:25:23 + > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Well, if you found that *for your particular tasks* C can replace Perl > > or Python, I believe you. But it's just not true that this should

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

time than that needed to get a brand-new and better-conceived C implementation of the same thing. And both Erlang and Haskell are portable on a large variety of platforms. Again, the world is not just black or white when it comes to languages (of any kind) :) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicos

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

he beginning trumps "fast and dirty" that most people > use every time. I can't tell you how much time I have spent in the > last two decades cleaning up other people's disasters. > I bet you have been cleaning up disasters not because people program in Haskell inst

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

it does not have any substantial impact on anybody else on Earth, since most of the times I happen to code for myself (i.e., programs whose only user will be just me)... :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.ho

Re: [Dng] Devuan Alpha i386 - developers release series on Vagrant

distribution you can just use cpio/ar since rpms/debs are no more than cpio/ar archives with some sugar around (basically, a few configure/install/uninstall scripts). My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://ka

Re: [Dng] Devuan Alpha i386 - developers release series on Vagrant

up is always an easy way of messing up, IMHO. You should do it only if you know exactly what you are up to, and if you are ready to blame yourself for any mess you will have to deal with, not your distro My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ]

Re: [Dng] greets

the Dyne foundation (www.dyne.org) is providing material, technical and moral support to the developers ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #2583

Re: [Dng] Devuan foundational philosophy: was greets

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:51:52AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 18:19:56 + > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Devuan is the final name (at the moment! :P) and is really > > happening. It is a fork of Debian with the clear intention of creating > > and

Re: [Dng] Devuan foundational philosophy: was greets

as "DIY-friendly" from your point of view, but other users will almost certainly disagree. IMHO the problem of systemd is that it is just a crappy idea implemented in a crappy way. Nothing to do with DIY-friendlyness. Just plain ignorance of KISS and DOTADIW :) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ En

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

stion about the systemd-nonsense classifies you as a troll, which is quite unusual in the free software community. Let's keep calm, and avoid fuss. HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net --

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 11:08:58PM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 22.03.2015 22:00, KatolaZ wrote: > > Well, we might all agree on despising the systemd-nonsense on a > > technical level, but nobody can say it's not free software without > > being considered a foo

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

s in the fact that it includes front-ends for more than a dozen languages and back-ends for variuos hundreds of different architectures RMS is a quite strange character to deal with, but saying that he was purposedly obfuscating GCC seems quite risible, to be honest My2Cents KatolaZ --

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

ld be able to take autonomous decisions (and actions) without RMS telling us what to do or approving our endavours. That's why they call it "community" and not "kingdom" :) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

ont will be the ultimate win, not just for Devuan, but for the community itself. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

ve some problems I have with vagrant :) AdMaiora KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445

Re: [Dng] Puppy Linux, AntiX - was Re: Puppy Linux-related thoughts

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 04:14:13PM +0100, shraptor shraptor wrote: [cut] > > Every software can be hacked via bugs of course but hopefully > it wil make it harder for tha hacker > Beware Close all those doors or the hackers might find you and suck your soul :D KatolaZ

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

d software, and in my little experience only C newbies blame the libc when their software segfaults... If you can prove that glibc/gcc is causing the segfaults of systemd then please provide links to those *facts*, otherwise what you are saying is just unsopported FUD. MyCents KatolaZ -

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update and milestone

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 04:31:47PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > KatolaZ, > > > [T.J. ] What I said was: " It should be important to note that a segfault > can be caused by any number of things, that can be unrelated to systemd > itself. I do grant you that s

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

tives is necessary (if it ever is), and just go for the one that seems more reasonable, where by "reasonable" I mean complying with almost all the points you stated above, but also being in line with what a greybeard unix user/admin would generally expect from a unix system, whic

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

er is on this side of the line is OK, whatever is on the other side is just crap", because you should first define "doing one thing" in the most clear and unambiguous way. And this is the bit I find quite hard to address, to be honest, if not impossible... My2Cents KatolaZ

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

e quickly, and always in the same direction: just for the bad. I couldn't ever imagine that anybody would be able to trash Debian in such a deliberate and lighthearted way, and in such a short timeframe :( Sadness KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Me

Re: [Dng] nameservers

crap is already on its way :( We'd better have this Devuan thing up and running soon... HND KatolaZ [1] https://www.debian.org/intro/about [2] https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeuni

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

ernel aboard (something that I personally think they don't have neither the experience nor the skills to do, but still...). I personally find hilarious that most of the people out there are still convinced that the systemd-nonsense is just a replacement for sysv-init, while it should be clear by now tha

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

should be able to use, distribute, modify and redistribute the software she receives under that license. This is something for which we should definitely thank RMS and (a probably not so freedom-conscious) Linus Torvalds :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freakn

Re: [Dng] Claim your power

ou correctly pointed out again, from the systemd core team to systemd package maintainers and project leaders. That's exactly why I believe that the Devuan effort is more fundamental, because it will establish and confirm an *proactive* and *human* free software development model. HND KatolaZ P.

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

e, indeed :D We should perhaps make it public outside the ML, and post to forums/blogs ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID

Re: [Dng] Update from the Veteran Unix Admins

d it's and April Fool joke. > That's the fun in making April Fool jokes, isn't it? :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332

Re: [Dng] nameservers

On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 07:45:57PM +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:42 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > Well, the reason is simple: Debian was a project whose main objective > > was to provide a Free Software Universal Operating Systems[1], not a > > free DNS.

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

nstalling things that are not required > but just recommended or suggested, expecially in server or embedded > envs, but also on my desktop. > > What do you think if we make this the default in devuan? > Hi, please go on. Always hated to have too much garbage installed. HND Katol

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

ot *always*) a DHCP reply might contain the IP of a local nameserver. Or at least this was the default in Debian and in many other distributions, before the systemd-nonsense takeover. HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

)) Anyway, I second the addition of an explicit --install-recommends, which would be more clear that --no-install-recommends=no My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

re out which packages are needed, right? :) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerpri

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

that would happen? > Well, we will fork again, just to give the users the right to install systemd ;P HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN:

Re: [Dng] Call for factoids on the Debian fork

ould not be necessary at all... My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6A

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

ck of the systemd-nonsense and of a few ancillary things most of the users will barely notice. Nothing that is going to change anyone's everyday life. Or at least I really hope so... ;) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

ough, but works just fine on qemu [1]), and a vagrant image for development [2]. So if you are thinking of using Devuan for production, you'd better wait for the first official release, which will most probably come "when it's time" :) HND KatolaZ [1] https://git.devuan.org/d

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 11:01:40PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 06:41:48PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > When I looked, devuan.org said neither that there are ISOs or that > > there are apt-get repos. Admittedly that was not exactly this week. > > I n

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

ue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be able to convince us that systemd is *good* and *beautiful* and *necessary*? I don't want to be saved, thanks ;) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Cata

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

d we come back? IMHO, there is no wonderful bag of technical novelties which can justify a flawed design, incarnated in a flawed implementation, pursued for flawed aims by a bunch of people who effectively act and behave like they have the right answer for everithing, while the rest is just garba

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

e that are working behind the scenes to make Devuan happen. HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ]

Re: [Dng] Contact

tribution (which does not exist, at the moment). I know this is probably just *my* personal idiosyncrasy. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN:

Re: [Dng] Who/what is welcome on this list?

ten than not discussing does not imemdiately mean "agreeing" :) But again this is normal, especially if the aims of the participants are very similar, but not identical. I am sorry, but I can't see anything strange in this My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- G

Re: [Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

ther with shell scripting and then one of either Perl or Python. But again, if you can't find a way of using them, or you don't feel the need to use them for something in particular, then you will just learn and forget almost everything. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Ni

Re: [Dng] dev-list

plus a forum, and several people have expressed their opinion about this proposal, seems a bit of an overreaction to me :) But I guess I am missing something here. I also have not seen all this off-list chit-chatting that you mention, but if it was just gossipping around then I am happy I haven't.

Re: [Dng] dev-list

n my little experience, MLs are the easiest way to keep people in touch, while forums may be good to get help on specific things. We know that MLs might become hard to follow at times, but I don't find forums any better at that. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -

[Dng] [m...@katolaz.homeunix.net: Re: Ubuntu 14.04, systemd by stealth]

I didn't realise I was replying only to Robert, and I believe it might be still useful to somebody here, despite it has been already said several times in the last few months. My2Cents KatolaZ - Forwarded message from KatolaZ - Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:56:52 +0100 From: Katola

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

uot; or somesuch, not "User" > /j Well, in the first few versions of Research Unix (and I believe at least until Version 7, in 1979) /usr was the folder where user home directories lived. /home came much later, AFAIK... My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

uot;changes" to an existing hierarchy by having in mind just one or a few possible use cases (e.g., "Linux desktops" or "Linux mobile users", whatever these locutions might mean to you). This is truly and essentially anti-unix, since it goes towards forcing unnecessar

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

stemd-free GNU/Linux distribution to become usable. After all, what's the point of stubbornly wanting a systemd-free distro if in the end you are going to use systemd anyway? My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.n

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

d this is something that I am sure most of the community, including the systemd-fanboys, will regret to have done, sooner or later. That's why I believe it is fundamental to have a systemd-free distro, in order to confirm that nothing is *indispensable* in a unix environment... My2Cents Katol

Re: [Dng] why someone might want systemd on devuan

dleware mediating most of the interactions between user-space and kernel-space, and managing in a centralised way most of the typical "ancillary" little things which make a GNU/Linux system run. Devuan exists only because systemd makes impractical any alternative to systemd. My2Cents

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

typical answer you get about systemd compatibility issues is "it's not our problem. We won't fix it". I also have my personal (conspiracy) theory about why it is like that, which I am sure you don't want to hear My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

uld live WITHOUT it?" > I meant "we should live with the fact that systemd is not unpluggable" :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ U

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

nit system and low-level system daemons. They are definitely determined to go their way, whatever the cost of it, because they think that systemd is "right and technically sound". So why should we waste man-power on allowing to use systemd in a distribution whose first aim and motivation is t

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

waste manpower making it extra difficult for anyone to > use systemd on Devuan. They'll have a hard enough time already, and we > do too. > +1 :) -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ]

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

provides an init script for an init system that I don't use (or that I dislike) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key

Re: [Dng] vdev status update (May 25 2015)

ive > file, and building vdev with non-GNU libc (thanks Didier Kryn!) Hi Jude, not much help coming from my side, but I would like to thank you again for your great effort with vdev :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] k

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