Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

[dev1fanboy]

very nice, didn't think they'd add it until the stable release

Cheers,

chillfan

On Thursday, June 2, 2016 12:51 PM, hellekin  wrote:
> Today Devuan is number #91 on DistroWatch.com!  We made it to the Top
> 100 is the first 3 days of presence on DW.  Sweet!
> 
> http://distrowatch.com/devuan
> 
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

[Edward Bartolo]

Hi All,

I am reading this with great satisfaction :D.

LONG LIFE CHOICE!

Edward

On 03/06/2016, Jim Murphy  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 8:51 PM,   wrote:
>> Some people have criticized the current beta as being a "4gb net install
>> that never uses anything on the disc"
>>
>> A second beta would be a very good idea. Don't jump the gun on stable
>> release.
>>
>
> I agree.
>
> http://distrowatch.com/devuan
> or
> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan
>
> Part of description states "Debian without the complexities
> and dependencies of systemd,"
>
> When you look at the package list(4,957) you find the
> following:
>
>   •  libsystemd0_215-17+deb8u4_amd64.deb
>   •  libsystemd-daemon0_215-17+deb8u4_amd64.deb
>   •  libsystemd-id128-0_215-17+deb8u4_amd64.deb
>   •  libsystemd-journal0_215-17+deb8u4_amd64.deb
>   •  libsystemd-login0_215-17+deb8u4_amd64.deb
>
> Should these be there, or is this something that is
> still a work in progress?
>
> There is also the shim, but it doesn't bother me.
>   •  systemd-shim_9-1_amd64.deb
>
> Just out of curiosity does anyone know where
> DW gets the package lists they post?
>
> Jim
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

[Simon Walter]

On 06/03/2016 01:55 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:27:43PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016, Joel Roth wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, the news doesn't even have to be good. There's nothing
>>> like an engineered controversy full of flames, to gain interest of
>>> the press.
>>
>> sad, but true in most cases.
>>
>> anyway the main cornerstone for Devuan beta2 will *not* be a media
>> stunt :^) we have to make some fixes, consolidate the infrastructure
>> and last but not least include properly the fine look of the default
>> desktop that golinux and hellekin have made.
>>
> 
> Flames fade away, and leave little good behind, if anything. It would
> be far better for Devuan to focus on facts, rather than on opinions.
> 

Yes, I totally agree. "There is nothing hidden that will not be
revealed." Which is why open source trumps closed source. Which is why
many people see through Redhat and their greedy moves.

Here is another little "fact" I came across:
https://wiki.debian.org/LXC#Incompatibility_with_systemd

Simon
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

[Jim Murphy]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:51 AM, hellekin  wrote:
> Today Devuan is number #91 on DistroWatch.com!  We made it to the Top
> 100 is the first 3 days of presence on DW.  Sweet!
>
> http://distrowatch.com/devuan

I guess Jesse Smith over at DistorWatch was serious.  On the 4th of
May I noticed that Devuan's wait page and link to Devuan's homepage
were gone.  A couple of days later when it hadn't shown up I sent an email
to Admin and Jesse responded with:

>My mistake. I had moved Devuan into a special status where it's sort of
>halfway between the waiting list and our database and that made it
>disappear from our waiting list. I've re-added the link so people can
>still find the project until we get the project full coverage.

He later asked when Devuan stable would be released.  I said I
personally felt there would most likely be another beta but some
found is solid enough to already use on production systems.

Happily surprised to see the real Devuan page on DistroWatch.
Considering how long some distros have been waiting for a real
page, Devuan did well.

Congrats to all who made it happen.  Still have a way to go, but
I feel good about it.

Jim
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 20:29:08 +0800
Robert Storey  wrote:

> There are even a lot of people
> (including me) who are taking a second look at FreeBSD as a Plan B.

When searching for plans B, C, D and E back in late 2014 and early
2015, I rejected FreeBSD because of their everchanging and ever buggy
package manager of the month, and instead opted for PC-BSD, which in my
opinion has a much more useful package manager that is compatible with
ports. PC-BSD is one of the alternatives I've found to be capable of
doing all necessary work for Troubleshooters.Com.

SteveT

Steve Litt 
May 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

[KatolaZ]

On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:27:43PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016, Joel Roth wrote:
> 
> > Actually, the news doesn't even have to be good. There's nothing
> > like an engineered controversy full of flames, to gain interest of
> > the press.
> 
> sad, but true in most cases.
> 
> anyway the main cornerstone for Devuan beta2 will *not* be a media
> stunt :^) we have to make some fixes, consolidate the infrastructure
> and last but not least include properly the fine look of the default
> desktop that golinux and hellekin have made.
> 

Flames fade away, and leave little good behind, if anything. It would
be far better for Devuan to focus on facts, rather than on opinions.

My2Cents

KatolaZ

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

[Jaromil]

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016, Joel Roth wrote:

> Actually, the news doesn't even have to be good. There's nothing
> like an engineered controversy full of flames, to gain interest of
> the press.

sad, but true in most cases.

anyway the main cornerstone for Devuan beta2 will *not* be a media
stunt :^) we have to make some fixes, consolidate the infrastructure
and last but not least include properly the fine look of the default
desktop that golinux and hellekin have made.

I don't even think we *need* more visibility. We can definitely work
with what we have and continue to improve the quality of our
environment to properly merit all this attention.

ciao
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

[Joel Roth]

Robert Storey wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 11:51:38 +
> > From: hellekin 
> > To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> > Subject: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch
> > Message-ID: <57501dca.6090...@dyne.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Today Devuan is number #91 on DistroWatch.com!  We made it to the Top
> > 100 is the first 3 days of presence on DW.  Sweet!
> >
> > http://distrowatch.com/devuan
> 
> It's a good start and I think there are a lot of people out there who are
> interested in Devuan, or anything else that could help them escape the
> ravages of systemd. There are even a lot of people (including me) who are
> taking a second look at FreeBSD as a Plan B. But anyway, for Devuan to
> attract more hits on DistroWatch (not to mention more people willing to
> install), there has to be some news about it, so I hope that a beta-2 will
> be coming along in the not too distant future.

Actually, the news doesn't even have to be good. There's nothing
like an engineered controversy full of flames, to gain
interest of the press.
 
A dust-up between key developers, arguments over leadership
or direction of development, really anything of that ilk
will go a long way.

If you think you might be skilled at that sort of
engineering, please message the moderators :)

-- 
Joel Roth
  

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Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

[Robert Storey]

> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 11:51:38 +
> From: hellekin 
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch
> Message-ID: <57501dca.6090...@dyne.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Today Devuan is number #91 on DistroWatch.com!  We made it to the Top
> 100 is the first 3 days of presence on DW.  Sweet!
>
> http://distrowatch.com/devuan

It's a good start and I think there are a lot of people out there who are
interested in Devuan, or anything else that could help them escape the
ravages of systemd. There are even a lot of people (including me) who are
taking a second look at FreeBSD as a Plan B. But anyway, for Devuan to
attract more hits on DistroWatch (not to mention more people willing to
install), there has to be some news about it, so I hope that a beta-2 will
be coming along in the not too distant future.

And yes, I know that represents a lot of work for the developers, but I
assure you that it's much appreciated.

I noticed just recently that my dependable antiX installation got
semi-broken after a dist-upgrade, on two machines. Seems that a lot of
stuff is not in their default repositories. I hope it's just a fluke, but
anyway, I'm getting ready to make a massive move to either Devuan and/or
FreeBSD (waiting for release 11, due out at the end of summer).

cheers,
Robert
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