Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Florian Zieboll]

On Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:31:16 -0300
Emiliano Marini  wrote:

> For example, "apt-cache show nmap" gives no info about suggests and/or
> recommend. But "apt-cache show ntop" gives info about depends and
> suggests.


Hallo Emiliano,

my nmap here (Debian Wheezy) does not have any /direct/ recommends or
suggests. So apt-rdepends returns only those for nmap's dependencies,
each listed directly below the package it belongs to.

Regards,

Florian


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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Emiliano Marini]

Not for every package.

For example, "apt-cache show nmap" gives no info about suggests and/or
recommend. But "apt-cache show ntop" gives info about depends and suggests.

Cheers,
Emiliano.




On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 2:20 AM, Simon Wise  wrote:

> On 24/12/15 10:36, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I checked that manpage, but apt-cache shows no info about
>> recommended
>> and suggested packages, only dependencies (at least in wheezy)
>>
>
> apt-cache show package
>
> gives info, including recommended.
>
>
> Simon
>
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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Florian Zieboll]

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:14:44 -0300
Emiliano Marini  wrote:

> Is there any way to list recommended packages for a given package?

Hello Emiliano,

# apt-rdepends -s Recommends -s Suggests 

will return a list of all dependencies, recommends and suggests of the
selected package (recursive: with all their respective dependencies,
recommends and suggests as well). Of course you can use the command
with only one "-s" to show only the recommended resp. suggested
packages (or without to get only the recursive dependency list).

As I have recommends and suggests disabled in my apt preferences, for
packages I am going to install I just run 

# apt-get install 

and cancel the operation to append any useful recommended or suggested
packages I find listed in the output. Alternatively you can use the
"-s" or "--simulate" option to do an apt-get "dry-run". I believe
apt-get won't list already installed recommends / suggests.

Regards,

Florian

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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Emiliano Marini]

Thank you Florian, I didn't know that tool:

apt-rdepends - Recursively lists package dependencies

I will try it.

Cheers,
Emiliano.


On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Florian Zieboll  wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:14:44 -0300
> Emiliano Marini  wrote:
>
> > Is there any way to list recommended packages for a given package?
>
> Hello Emiliano,
>
> # apt-rdepends -s Recommends -s Suggests 
>
> will return a list of all dependencies, recommends and suggests of the
> selected package (recursive: with all their respective dependencies,
> recommends and suggests as well). Of course you can use the command
> with only one "-s" to show only the recommended resp. suggested
> packages (or without to get only the recursive dependency list).
>
> As I have recommends and suggests disabled in my apt preferences, for
> packages I am going to install I just run
>
> # apt-get install 
>
> and cancel the operation to append any useful recommended or suggested
> packages I find listed in the output. Alternatively you can use the
> "-s" or "--simulate" option to do an apt-get "dry-run". I believe
> apt-get won't list already installed recommends / suggests.
>
> Regards,
>
> Florian
>
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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Simon Wise]

On 24/12/15 02:12, Emiliano Marini wrote:

Thank you Florian, I didn't know that tool:

apt-rdepends - Recursively lists package dependencies

I will try it.


apt-cache   does lots of information stuff including depends,
rdepends (which is reverse depends), show (which gives description, suggests, 
recommends, version ...), showpkg (which is a summary), search, 


check outman apt-cache

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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Simon Wise]

On 24/12/15 10:36, Emiliano Marini wrote:

Yeah, I checked that manpage, but apt-cache shows no info about recommended
and suggested packages, only dependencies (at least in wheezy)


apt-cache show package

gives info, including recommended.


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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Emiliano Marini]

Is there any way to list recommended packages for a given package?

I mean, when you run "apt-cache depends" it list a package's dependencies.
For example:

# LANG=C apt-cache depends nmap
nmap
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libgcc1
  Depends: liblua5.1-0
  Depends: libpcap0.8
  Depends: libpcre3
  Depends: libssl0.9.8
  Depends: libstdc++6
  Conflicts: 
  Replaces: 
nmap

But how can I list recommended/suggested packages?

I tried adding this in /etc/apt/apt.conf without results:

APT::Cache::ShowRecommends "true";

Cheers,
Emiliano.



On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Simon Wise  wrote:

> On 23/12/15 02:19, Emiliano Marini wrote:
>
>> Wow thanks man!
>>
>> # apt-get install --no-install-recommends nmap
>>
>
> That can be set in apt's config files, in /etc/apt. It really helps
> maintaining a system .. you can look at the recommends listed and install
> the ones you want.
>
> I've kept my old sidux/aptosid setup ... this from /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
>
> // apt defaults for aptosid
> // apt 0.7 introduces automatic behaviour unsuitable for sid, revert this
>
> // auto-remove breaks on meta packages
> APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "0";
> APT::Get::HideAutoRemove "1";
>
> // Recommends are as of now still abused in many packages
> APT::Install-Recommends "0";
> APT::Install-Suggests "0";
> Debug::pkgAutoRemove "0";
>
> // PDiffs reduce the required download for apt-get update, but increase the
> // CPU requirements and quite often fail.
> // Acquire::PDiffs "0";
>
>
>
>
> documentation seems lacking, but example files are a great fallback as
> long as programs use plain-text ones.
>
> Simon
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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Simon Wise]

On 23/12/15 02:19, Emiliano Marini wrote:

Wow thanks man!

# apt-get install --no-install-recommends nmap


That can be set in apt's config files, in /etc/apt. It really helps maintaining 
a system .. you can look at the recommends listed and install the ones you want.


I've kept my old sidux/aptosid setup ... this from /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/

// apt defaults for aptosid
// apt 0.7 introduces automatic behaviour unsuitable for sid, revert this

// auto-remove breaks on meta packages
APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "0";
APT::Get::HideAutoRemove "1";

// Recommends are as of now still abused in many packages
APT::Install-Recommends "0";
APT::Install-Suggests "0";
Debug::pkgAutoRemove "0";

// PDiffs reduce the required download for apt-get update, but increase the
// CPU requirements and quite often fail.
// Acquire::PDiffs "0";




documentation seems lacking, but example files are a great fallback as long as 
programs use plain-text ones.


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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Emiliano Marini]

Wow thanks man!

# apt-get install --no-install-recommends nmap
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libblas3 libblas3gf libgfortran3 liblinear1 liblua5.1-0
Suggested packages:
  liblinear-dev
Recommended packages:
  liblinear-tools
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libblas3 libblas3gf libgfortran3 liblinear1 liblua5.1-0 nmap
0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 4,584 kB of archives.
After this operation, 17.8 MB of additional disk space will be used.


On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:14 PM, fsmithred  wrote:

> On 12/22/2015 06:54 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> > I wanted to install nmap in one of my systems for testing purposes, and
> > when I run "apt-get install namp" it tries to pull 73 dependencies WTF?
> >
>
> Here's what my wheezy says:
> apt-cache depends nmap
> nmap
>   Depends: libc6
>   Depends: libgcc1
>   Depends: liblinear1
>   Depends: liblua5.1-0
>   Depends: libpcap0.8
>   Depends: libpcre3
>   Depends: libssl1.0.0
>   Depends: libstdc++6
>   Depends: python
>   Conflicts: 
>   Conflicts: 
>   Replaces: 
> nmap
>   Replaces: 
> nmap:i386
>   Conflicts: nmap:i38
>
> nmap is already installed here, so I can't check to see what would get
> pulled in with it. Try it with --no-install-recommends and see if that's
> any better.
>
> -fsr
>
>
>
> > # apt-get install nmap
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > Building dependency tree
> > Reading state information... Done
> > The following extra packages will be installed:
> >   fonts-droid fonts-liberation ghostscript gnuplot gnuplot-nox groff
> > gsfonts hicolor-icon-theme
> >   imagemagick imagemagick-common libblas3 libblas3gf libcairo2
> > libcupsimage2 libdatrie1 libdjvulibre-text
> >   libdjvulibre21 libexiv2-12 libgd2-noxpm libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
> > libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran3 libgs9
> >   libgs9-common libice6 libijs-0.35 libilmbase6 libjasper1 libjbig0
> > libjbig2dec0 libjpeg8 liblcms1
> >   liblcms2-2 liblensfun-data liblensfun0 liblinear-tools liblinear1
> > liblqr-1-0 liblua5.1-0 libmagickcore5
> >   libmagickcore5-extra libmagickwand5 libnetpbm10 libopenexr6
> libpango1.0-0
> > libpixman-1-0 librsvg2-2
> >   librsvg2-common libsm6 libsvm-tools libthai-data libthai0 libtiff4
> > libwmf0.2-7 libx11-6 libx11-data
> >   libxau6 libxaw7 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 libxext6
> > libxft2 libxmu6 libxpm4
> >   libxrender1 libxt6 netpbm poppler-data ufraw-batch x11-common
> > Suggested packages:
> >   ghostscript-cups ghostscript-x hpijs gnuplot-doc imagemagick-doc
> > autotrace cups-bsd lpr lprng curl
> >   enscript ffmpeg gimp grads hp2xx html2ps libwmf-bin mplayer povray
> > radiance sane-utils texlive-base-bin
> >   transfig xdg-utils exiv2 libgd-tools libjasper-runtime liblcms-utils
> > liblcms2-utils liblinear-dev
> >   ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp
> > ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
> >   librsvg2-bin poppler-utils fonts-japanese-mincho fonts-ipafont-mincho
> > fonts-japanese-gothic
> >   fonts-ipafont-gothic fonts-arphic-ukai fonts-arphic-uming
> > fonts-unfonts-core ufraw
> >
> > I don't remember it had so many dependencies before.
> >
> > Anyone knows if it's nmap's fault or it's something related to Debian?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Emiliano.
> >
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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[fsmithred]

On 12/22/2015 06:54 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> I wanted to install nmap in one of my systems for testing purposes, and
> when I run "apt-get install namp" it tries to pull 73 dependencies WTF?
> 

Here's what my wheezy says:
apt-cache depends nmap
nmap
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libgcc1
  Depends: liblinear1
  Depends: liblua5.1-0
  Depends: libpcap0.8
  Depends: libpcre3
  Depends: libssl1.0.0
  Depends: libstdc++6
  Depends: python
  Conflicts: 
  Conflicts: 
  Replaces: 
nmap
  Replaces: 
nmap:i386
  Conflicts: nmap:i38

nmap is already installed here, so I can't check to see what would get
pulled in with it. Try it with --no-install-recommends and see if that's
any better.

-fsr



> # apt-get install nmap
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   fonts-droid fonts-liberation ghostscript gnuplot gnuplot-nox groff
> gsfonts hicolor-icon-theme
>   imagemagick imagemagick-common libblas3 libblas3gf libcairo2
> libcupsimage2 libdatrie1 libdjvulibre-text
>   libdjvulibre21 libexiv2-12 libgd2-noxpm libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran3 libgs9
>   libgs9-common libice6 libijs-0.35 libilmbase6 libjasper1 libjbig0
> libjbig2dec0 libjpeg8 liblcms1
>   liblcms2-2 liblensfun-data liblensfun0 liblinear-tools liblinear1
> liblqr-1-0 liblua5.1-0 libmagickcore5
>   libmagickcore5-extra libmagickwand5 libnetpbm10 libopenexr6 libpango1.0-0
> libpixman-1-0 librsvg2-2
>   librsvg2-common libsm6 libsvm-tools libthai-data libthai0 libtiff4
> libwmf0.2-7 libx11-6 libx11-data
>   libxau6 libxaw7 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 libxext6
> libxft2 libxmu6 libxpm4
>   libxrender1 libxt6 netpbm poppler-data ufraw-batch x11-common
> Suggested packages:
>   ghostscript-cups ghostscript-x hpijs gnuplot-doc imagemagick-doc
> autotrace cups-bsd lpr lprng curl
>   enscript ffmpeg gimp grads hp2xx html2ps libwmf-bin mplayer povray
> radiance sane-utils texlive-base-bin
>   transfig xdg-utils exiv2 libgd-tools libjasper-runtime liblcms-utils
> liblcms2-utils liblinear-dev
>   ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp
> ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
>   librsvg2-bin poppler-utils fonts-japanese-mincho fonts-ipafont-mincho
> fonts-japanese-gothic
>   fonts-ipafont-gothic fonts-arphic-ukai fonts-arphic-uming
> fonts-unfonts-core ufraw
> 
> I don't remember it had so many dependencies before.
> 
> Anyone knows if it's nmap's fault or it's something related to Debian?
> 
> Cheers,
> Emiliano.
> 

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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Emiliano Marini]

Sorry, I forgot to mention that this system runs Wheezy.

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Emiliano Marini  wrote:

> I wanted to install nmap in one of my systems for testing purposes, and
> when I run "apt-get install namp" it tries to pull 73 dependencies WTF?
>
> # apt-get install nmap
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   fonts-droid fonts-liberation ghostscript gnuplot gnuplot-nox groff
> gsfonts hicolor-icon-theme
>   imagemagick imagemagick-common libblas3 libblas3gf libcairo2
> libcupsimage2 libdatrie1 libdjvulibre-text
>   libdjvulibre21 libexiv2-12 libgd2-noxpm libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
> libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran3 libgs9
>   libgs9-common libice6 libijs-0.35 libilmbase6 libjasper1 libjbig0
> libjbig2dec0 libjpeg8 liblcms1
>   liblcms2-2 liblensfun-data liblensfun0 liblinear-tools liblinear1
> liblqr-1-0 liblua5.1-0 libmagickcore5
>   libmagickcore5-extra libmagickwand5 libnetpbm10 libopenexr6
> libpango1.0-0 libpixman-1-0 librsvg2-2
>   librsvg2-common libsm6 libsvm-tools libthai-data libthai0 libtiff4
> libwmf0.2-7 libx11-6 libx11-data
>   libxau6 libxaw7 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb1 libxdmcp6 libxext6
> libxft2 libxmu6 libxpm4
>   libxrender1 libxt6 netpbm poppler-data ufraw-batch x11-common
> Suggested packages:
>   ghostscript-cups ghostscript-x hpijs gnuplot-doc imagemagick-doc
> autotrace cups-bsd lpr lprng curl
>   enscript ffmpeg gimp grads hp2xx html2ps libwmf-bin mplayer povray
> radiance sane-utils texlive-base-bin
>   transfig xdg-utils exiv2 libgd-tools libjasper-runtime liblcms-utils
> liblcms2-utils liblinear-dev
>   ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp
> ttf-arphic-bkai00mp
>   librsvg2-bin poppler-utils fonts-japanese-mincho fonts-ipafont-mincho
> fonts-japanese-gothic
>   fonts-ipafont-gothic fonts-arphic-ukai fonts-arphic-uming
> fonts-unfonts-core ufraw
>
> I don't remember it had so many dependencies before.
>
> Anyone knows if it's nmap's fault or it's something related to Debian?
>
> Cheers,
> Emiliano.
>
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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Emiliano Marini]

Yeah, maybe.

I can't understand why it wants to install things like libcupsimage2,
gnuplot, imagemagick...

It's a freaking network tool!


On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Arnt Karlsen  wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:01:55 -0300, Emiliano wrote in message
> :
>
> > Sorry, I forgot to mention that this system runs Wheezy.
>
> ..is Squeeze the last known good Debian?
>
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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Tue, 22 Dec 2015 09:01:55 -0300, Emiliano wrote in message 
:

> Sorry, I forgot to mention that this system runs Wheezy.

..is Squeeze the last known good Debian?

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Re: [DNG] nmap in Debian Wheezy

[Rainer Weikusat]

Emiliano Marini  writes:
> I wanted to install nmap in one of my systems for testing purposes, and
> when I run "apt-get install namp" it tries to pull 73 dependencies WTF?
>
> # apt-get install nmap

[...]

>   ufraw-batch

That's certainly not something nmap depends on in Wheezy.
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