Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 04:36:05PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: To me trust is a euphemism for the cartels divvying up the pie. I once heard that the NSA's definition of a trusted system was one that, if it misbehaves, you're screwed. Seems to fit here. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: Before anyone takes this too seriously a bit more research needs to be done as we are very close to the date that an elaborate ruse is plausible, at least for us in the USA. For the time being, it seems like a joke. At least this time. But, like others said, it wouldn't be a bad thing, let'em taint their own kernel. It would be interesting if Mr Torvalds would block them from using the name linux, but regardless it would keep things separate. Still, a behemoth as Red Hat might be, one does not just simply fork a kernel. Unless of course you join efforts with Google and other Incs, then sure, here be dragons gone. My2c ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 04:56:00PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: [cut] I personally find hilarious that most of the people out there are still convinced that the systemd-nonsense is just a replacement for sysv-init, while it should be clear by now that it is already becoming a pervasive cancer... Of course, the next step is an authorized and signed kernel distributed only in binary form that can be trusted on Win10 certified hardware. Add to that scenario that some future version of systemd will only work with the signed and trusted binary only kernel... Again. such a binary blob cannot be the Linux kernel with some patches, thanks to the fact that Linux is under GPLv2, so any modified version of it has to be released with the same license, which implies that any user should be able to use, distribute, modify and redistribute the software she receives under that license. This is something for which we should definitely thank RMS and (a probably not so freedom-conscious) Linus Torvalds :) HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 8:51 AM, KatolaZ - kato...@freaknet.org devuan.kn.d697226fdf.katolaz#freaknet@ob.0sg.net wrote: Again. such a binary blob cannot be the Linux kernel with some patches, thanks to the fact that Linux is under GPLv2, so any modified version of it has to be released with the same license, which implies that any user should be able to use, distribute, modify and redistribute the software she receives under that license. Yes, you can get the source, build and redistribute it. But without the proper key you may not be able to sign it in such a way that your system will boot that kernel. Tivo did that, spurring the FSF into action to create GPLv3 to fix that. Linus rejected that fix though, which is why the kernel is using GPLv2. Note that secure boot allows you to set your own trusted keys, so you are fine with that technology for now. This is something for which we should definitely thank RMS and (a probably not so freedom-conscious) Linus Torvalds :) Praise for both is always appropriate:-) BR Karl ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
Am Montag, 30. März 2015, 12:38:37 schrieb Steve Litt: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:25:27 -0500 Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: Is this really happening? Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their philosophy of placing all key operating system components in one repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of the Linux kernel. There are problems, problems in collaboration, problems with compatibility across versions. Forking the kernel gives us control over these issues, gives us control over almost all key parts of the stack. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Our proximity to April 1 makes me wonder, but still... While there are several quotes in the article from one Ivan Gotyaovich, I don't see any links to said quotes which leaves me a bit skeptical of the veracity of the article. However, the link to GitHub looks very much like a kernel source tree, but I'm not certain that it is an official repository. Before anyone takes this too seriously a bit more research needs to be done as we are very close to the date that an elaborate ruse is plausible, at least for us in the USA. - Nate ROFLMAO, Here's the problem, Nate. With any other software vendor, we'd instantly and doubtlessly assume it an April Fools Joke. But this is systemd we're talking about, and the first time I heard that it had a 2 way link to Gnome I thought This must be an April Fools Joke, but it wasn't. Whether now or later, I fully expect the systemd guys to make their own kernel, and do it with a non-copyleft license. Steve, honestly, I think this is so far off that it is completely unlikely to happen. With a non-copyleft license? Then its not a fork of Linux. And systemd doesn´t run on anything else. And a new kernel? I think it is important to stay with facts, and by all tendency for conspiration theories around systemd, this, in my oppinion, is not a likely outcome to *ever* happen. I think this kind of I think the systemd guys could do anything evil I can dream of kind of speech is nothing what raises the credibility of any we want to be wihout systemd effort. There are enough reasons to avoid systemd, but just this is not one. That said, for a moment I thought WTF about the linux kernel fork thing. I thought, hey, maybe they do even that and maintain systemd related patches on top of vanilla kernel. But I then quickly wondered whether it is an Aprils fools joke on exactly the cost of those who engage with conspiration theories around systemd. I think it is much more effective to stay to facts when dealing with systemd. There are enough facts that for a reason to avoid it. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 07:51:19 +0100 KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 04:56:00PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: Of course, the next step is an authorized and signed kernel distributed only in binary form that can be trusted on Win10 certified hardware. Add to that scenario that some future version of systemd will only work with the signed and trusted binary only kernel... Again. such a binary blob cannot be the Linux kernel with some patches, thanks to the fact that Linux is under GPLv2, so any modified version of it has to be released with the same license, which implies that any user should be able to use, distribute, modify and redistribute the software she receives under that license. I think he was probably envisioning Redhat creating a from-scratch kernel. This would further differentiate Redhat, and would lock their users into Redhat. I think Nate's point is Redhat's scared to do that until Redhat has everyone ensnared in their hard-to-remove obfuscation code (otherwise known as systemd). Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean Redhat isn't out to get me. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
* On 2015 31 Mar 10:30 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: I think he was probably envisioning Redhat creating a from-scratch kernel. This would further differentiate Redhat, and would lock their users into Redhat. I think Nate's point is Redhat's scared to do that until Redhat has everyone ensnared in their hard-to-remove obfuscation code (otherwise known as systemd). No, I meant exactly what I wrote. Sure, the Linux kernel and its patches will be licensed GPLv2 and housed in a repository somewhere and people can download it, compile it, patch it, etc. However, the new Win10 certified hardware will require trust, AIUI, and that may well mean that only properly signed kernels will be trusted and will only be available as a binary blob from a certified vendor. It's not a far stretch to see how this reaches into userland where systemd can be uniquely positioned due to its all in one nature to continue the chain of trust through to the desktop. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean Redhat isn't out to get me. To me trust is a euphemism for the cartels divvying up the pie. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
I hope it's absolutely true. Do all the ripping out and rebuilding in their own tree, and if Linus et al don't want to merge the changes back into mainline, distro users can use a sane kernel. Keep your peanut butter out of my chocolate, as it were. Chris Kalin Sr. Network Engineer Leading Upward Mobility Industries for the Blind, Inc. 445 S. Curtis Rd. | West Allis, WI 53214 p. 414-778-3065 c. 414-238-3914 t. 800-642-8778 f. 414-778-3041 www.IBmilw.com Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any document attached hereto is intended only for the named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, nor the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message in confidence to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmittal and/or attachments in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. -Original Message- From: Nate Bargmann [mailto:n...@n0nb.us] Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 6:25 AM To: Devuan project Subject: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke Is this really happening? Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their philosophy of placing all key operating system components in one repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of the Linux kernel. There are problems, problems in collaboration, problems with compatibility across versions. Forking the kernel gives us control over these issues, gives us control over almost all key parts of the stack. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Our proximity to April 1 makes me wonder, but still... While there are several quotes in the article from one Ivan Gotyaovich, I don't see any links to said quotes which leaves me a bit skeptical of the veracity of the article. However, the link to GitHub looks very much like a kernel source tree, but I'm not certain that it is an official repository. Before anyone takes this too seriously a bit more research needs to be done as we are very close to the date that an elaborate ruse is plausible, at least for us in the USA. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
This would IMO be a good thing, as it will limit the interaction between Poettering OS and normal Linux, and they would have to fix the bugs they create themselves, rather than bitch and moan about the kernel not playing well with their software, it would also mean that they can implement stuff like kdbus without inflicting it on the real kernel. Seriously this if true would be the first good thing to come out of the systemd team in a long time, why aren't we funding this? On Mar 30, 2015 2:25 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: Is this really happening? Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their philosophy of placing all key operating system components in one repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of the Linux kernel. There are problems, problems in collaboration, problems with compatibility across versions. Forking the kernel gives us control over these issues, gives us control over almost all key parts of the stack. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Our proximity to April 1 makes me wonder, but still... While there are several quotes in the article from one Ivan Gotyaovich, I don't see any links to said quotes which leaves me a bit skeptical of the veracity of the article. However, the link to GitHub looks very much like a kernel source tree, but I'm not certain that it is an official repository. Before anyone takes this too seriously a bit more research needs to be done as we are very close to the date that an elaborate ruse is plausible, at least for us in the USA. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
exactly. On Mar 30, 2015 4:15 PM, Chris Kalin chris.ka...@ibmilw.com wrote: I hope it's absolutely true. Do all the ripping out and rebuilding in their own tree, and if Linus et al don't want to merge the changes back into mainline, distro users can use a sane kernel. Keep your peanut butter out of my chocolate, as it were. Chris Kalin Sr. Network Engineer Leading Upward Mobility Industries for the Blind, Inc. 445 S. Curtis Rd. | West Allis, WI 53214 p. 414-778-3065 c. 414-238-3914 t. 800-642-8778 f. 414-778-3041 www.IBmilw.com Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter | YouTube NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any document attached hereto is intended only for the named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, nor the employee or agent responsible for delivering this message in confidence to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error, and any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmittal and/or attachments in error, please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. -Original Message- From: Nate Bargmann [mailto:n...@n0nb.us] Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 6:25 AM To: Devuan project Subject: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke Is this really happening? Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their philosophy of placing all key operating system components in one repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of the Linux kernel. There are problems, problems in collaboration, problems with compatibility across versions. Forking the kernel gives us control over these issues, gives us control over almost all key parts of the stack. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Our proximity to April 1 makes me wonder, but still... While there are several quotes in the article from one Ivan Gotyaovich, I don't see any links to said quotes which leaves me a bit skeptical of the veracity of the article. However, the link to GitHub looks very much like a kernel source tree, but I'm not certain that it is an official repository. Before anyone takes this too seriously a bit more research needs to be done as we are very close to the date that an elaborate ruse is plausible, at least for us in the USA. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
Nate Did you read the devs name? According to Ivan Gotyaovich link to distrowatch http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community On 03/30/2015 07:25 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: Is this really happening? Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their philosophy of placing all key operating system components in one repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of the Linux kernel. There are problems, problems in collaboration, problems with compatibility across versions. Forking the kernel gives us control over these issues, gives us control over almost all key parts of the stack. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Our proximity to April 1 makes me wonder, but still... While there are several quotes in the article from one Ivan Gotyaovich, I don't see any links to said quotes which leaves me a bit skeptical of the veracity of the article. However, the link to GitHub looks very much like a kernel source tree, but I'm not certain that it is an official repository. Before anyone takes this too seriously a bit more research needs to be done as we are very close to the date that an elaborate ruse is plausible, at least for us in the USA. - Nate ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
I'm going with early april fools joke On 30 March 2015 at 14:39, Vlad 2389...@gmail.com wrote: This would IMO be a good thing, as it will limit the interaction between Poettering OS and normal Linux, and they would have to fix the bugs they create themselves, rather than bitch and moan about the kernel not playing well with their software, it would also mean that they can implement stuff like kdbus without inflicting it on the real kernel. Seriously this if true would be the first good thing to come out of the systemd team in a long time, why aren't we funding this? On Mar 30, 2015 2:25 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: Is this really happening? Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their philosophy of placing all key operating system components in one repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of the Linux kernel. There are problems, problems in collaboration, problems with compatibility across versions. Forking the kernel gives us control over these issues, gives us control over almost all key parts of the stack. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Our proximity to April 1 makes me wonder, but still... While there are several quotes in the article from one Ivan Gotyaovich, I don't see any links to said quotes which leaves me a bit skeptical of the veracity of the article. However, the link to GitHub looks very much like a kernel source tree, but I'm not certain that it is an official repository. Before anyone takes this too seriously a bit more research needs to be done as we are very close to the date that an elaborate ruse is plausible, at least for us in the USA. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
On 03/30/2015 04:55 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of A search on systemd/systemd on Github indicated that there are no contributions to systemd by an Ivan Gotyaovich. Nimal R. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:25:27 -0500 Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: Is this really happening? Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their philosophy of placing all key operating system components in one repository. According to Ivan Gotyaovich, one of the developers working on systemd, the project intends to maintain its own fork of the Linux kernel. There are problems, problems in collaboration, problems with compatibility across versions. Forking the kernel gives us control over these issues, gives us control over almost all key parts of the stack. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community Our proximity to April 1 makes me wonder, but still... While there are several quotes in the article from one Ivan Gotyaovich, I don't see any links to said quotes which leaves me a bit skeptical of the veracity of the article. However, the link to GitHub looks very much like a kernel source tree, but I'm not certain that it is an official repository. Before anyone takes this too seriously a bit more research needs to be done as we are very close to the date that an elaborate ruse is plausible, at least for us in the USA. - Nate ROFLMAO, Here's the problem, Nate. With any other software vendor, we'd instantly and doubtlessly assume it an April Fools Joke. But this is systemd we're talking about, and the first time I heard that it had a 2 way link to Gnome I thought This must be an April Fools Joke, but it wasn't. Whether now or later, I fully expect the systemd guys to make their own kernel, and do it with a non-copyleft license. Interestingly, I was referring to systemd as having an April Fools Joke Architecture in December 2014: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm#manjaro_experiments_pre20141217 See the third non-numbered paragraph. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:38:37PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] ROFLMAO, Here's the problem, Nate. With any other software vendor, we'd instantly and doubtlessly assume it an April Fools Joke. But this is systemd we're talking about, and the first time I heard that it had a 2 way link to Gnome I thought This must be an April Fools Joke, but it wasn't. Whether now or later, I fully expect the systemd guys to make their own kernel, and do it with a non-copyleft license. That one seems to be a well-conceived (yet premature) April's fool, but in any case nobody can put the Linux kernel under a non-copyletf license, and distribute it :) Actually, nobody can put the Linux kernel exclusively under a license a single bit more restrictive that the GPLv2 in terms of the rights granted to the recipient, and this is just due to the fact that the Linux kernel *is* under GPLv2 ;) Anyway, this little (disgusting) joke is revealing that some users that are currently tolerating the systemd-nonsense would be quite upset if the systemd-nonsense guys would decide to take the Linux kernel aboard (something that I personally think they don't have neither the experience nor the skills to do, but still...). I personally find hilarious that most of the people out there are still convinced that the systemd-nonsense is just a replacement for sysv-init, while it should be clear by now that it is already becoming a pervasive cancer... HND KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
On 30/03/15 15:15, Chris Kalin wrote: I hope it's absolutely true. Do all the ripping out and rebuilding in their own tree, and if Linus et al don't want to merge the changes back into mainline, distro users can use a sane kernel. Keep your peanut butter out of my chocolate, as it were. Chris Kalin Sr. Network Engineer Last year, I was wondering why they didn't fork Linux kernel first and then do the systemd infection on their own distros with their forked Linux kernel. But after I thought about it further, there is no advantage to them to do it as that would only affect RedHat, Fedora and all distros based on them. So they infected systemd into all major distros first then after that they will start to fork Linux kernel. I was so afraid that this is going to happen. But I felt quite relief to know that some sane and intelligent people forked Debian. So I really hope that they are really going to fork Linux kernel and do all the infections there, as that will make Devuan easier to move on. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
* On 2015 30 Mar 06:37 -0500, etech3 wrote: Nate Did you read the devs name? According to Ivan Gotyaovich Umm, yes, which is partly the reason why I mention my skepticism. Remember, all good humor has a kernel of truth. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke
* On 2015 30 Mar 12:05 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: Anyway, this little (disgusting) joke is revealing that some users that are currently tolerating the systemd-nonsense would be quite upset if the systemd-nonsense guys would decide to take the Linux kernel aboard (something that I personally think they don't have neither the experience nor the skills to do, but still...). I think Red Hat does have the man power and the people with the skills to maintain their own autonomous kernel indefinitely. In fact, there likely a lot of parts they could simply do away with to streamline the process. Also, Red Hat is large enough and prestigious enough to attract the necessary talent. I personally find hilarious that most of the people out there are still convinced that the systemd-nonsense is just a replacement for sysv-init, while it should be clear by now that it is already becoming a pervasive cancer... Of course, the next step is an authorized and signed kernel distributed only in binary form that can be trusted on Win10 certified hardware. Add to that scenario that some future version of systemd will only work with the signed and trusted binary only kernel... - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
