Re: [dns-operations] Strange behavior of covid.cdc.gov

2020-08-31 Thread Mark Andrews
Thankfully cdc.gov is also served by auth00.ns.uu.net and auth100.ns.uu.net and they aren’t serving a incomplete version of akam.cdc.gov. Recursive servers will eventually get a valid referral rather than bogus (unsigned) answers from ns[123].cdc.gov for akam.cdc.gov. Mark > On 1 Sep 2020, at

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread P Vixie
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 01:36:49AM +, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Aug 31, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Brian Dickson > wrote: > > I think the only way to get meaningful data would be an active experiment, > > involving an authority server (or set of servers) for a domain set up just > > this way. > > We

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 31, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Brian Dickson wrote: > I think the only way to get meaningful data would be an active experiment, > involving an authority server (or set of servers) for a domain set up just > this way. We disagree. Another way to get meaningful data would be from someone's logs,

Re: [dns-operations] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread P Vixie
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 08:00:00PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Puneet Sood via dns-operations: > > > We would be interested in hearing other operator's experience here. > > Are recursive servers seeing similar behavior from authoritative > > servers? If yes, are you discarding these

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Brian Dickson
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 5:09 PM Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Aug 31, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Viktor Dukhovni > wrote: > > > > Quite likely the domains that are completely broken (none of the > > nameservers respond from the right IP) are simply parked, and nobody > > cares whether they they actually work

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 12:01:07AM +, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Aug 31, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > > > Quite likely the domains that are completely broken (none of the > > nameservers respond from the right IP) are simply parked, and nobody > > cares whether they they

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 31, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > Quite likely the domains that are completely broken (none of the > nameservers respond from the right IP) are simply parked, and nobody > cares whether they they actually work or not. > > The only reason you're seeing queries for them may

Re: [dns-operations] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 02:19:08PM -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > The bit that I'm failing to understand is why these continue to exist > -- if everyone (or, everyone other than Google) are ignoring / > dropping these, how / why are they still on the Internet? Is it just > the $whatever are

Re: [dns-operations] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Florian Weimer
* Warren Kumari: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 2:11 PM Florian Weimer wrote: >> >> * Puneet Sood via dns-operations: >> >> > We would be interested in hearing other operator's experience here. >> > Are recursive servers seeing similar behavior from authoritative >> > servers? If yes, are you

Re: [dns-operations] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Keith Mitchell
On 8/31/20 12:40 PM, Puneet Sood via dns-operations wrote: > Is there an online tool that does mark up on RFCs to show which other > RFCs are referring to specific sections in it? I suspect you may find: https://powerdns.org/dns-camel/ helpful here. Keith

Re: [dns-operations] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Florian Weimer
* Puneet Sood via dns-operations: > We would be interested in hearing other operator's experience here. > Are recursive servers seeing similar behavior from authoritative > servers? If yes, are you discarding these responses? > Are there authoritative server operators who still need the >

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Puneet Sood via dns-operations
--- Begin Message --- On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 11:50 AM Paul Hoffman wrote: > > On Aug 28, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Puneet Sood via dns-operations > wrote: > > We would be interested in hearing other operator's experience here. > > Are recursive servers seeing similar behavior from authoritative > >

Re: [dns-operations] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Puneet Sood via dns-operations
--- Begin Message --- On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 12:18 AM Robert Edmonds wrote: > > Puneet Sood via dns-operations wrote: > > RFC 1035 section 7.3 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1035) > > Some name servers send their responses from different > > addresses than the one used to receive the

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >should tell Google what to do. (And, yes, I certainly put myself in the latter >category.) I, too, would like to hear >if other resolver operators see this, ... Is there a summary anywhere of what common resolver software like bind and unbound do? I use unbound, but when

Re: [dns-operations] Strange behavior of covid.cdc.gov

2020-08-31 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:12:04PM +0900, Yasuhiro Orange Morishita / 森下泰宏 wrote a message of 18 lines which said: > But it seems to be a little bit strange. The auth servers of cdc.gov > zone serve unneed (and unsigned) akam.cdc.gov zone. But they still > have DS RR for real akam.cdc.gov

Re: [dns-operations] [Ext] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 31, 2020, at 12:40 AM, Thomas Mieslinger wrote: > > On 8/29/20 5:50 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> On Aug 28, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Puneet Sood via dns-operations >> wrote: >>> We would be interested in hearing other operator's experience here. >>> Are recursive servers seeing similar behavior

Re: [dns-operations] Strange behavior of covid.cdc.gov

2020-08-31 Thread Warren Kumari
be a little bit strange. The auth servers of cdc.gov > zone serve unneed (and unsigned) akam.cdc.gov zone. But they still > have DS RR for real akam.cdc.gov zone. > > This is output of digs. > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/alfb1ftvzpd6qcv/20200831-covid.cdc.gov.txt> ... and for those of

[dns-operations] Strange behavior of covid.cdc.gov

2020-08-31 Thread Yasuhiro Orange Morishita / 森下泰宏
. But they still have DS RR for real akam.cdc.gov zone. This is output of digs. <https://www.dropbox.com/s/alfb1ftvzpd6qcv/20200831-covid.cdc.gov.txt> -- Orange ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns-oarc.net/m

Re: [dns-operations] Nameserver responses from different IP than destination of request

2020-08-31 Thread Thomas Mieslinger
On 8/29/20 5:50 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Aug 28, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Puneet Sood via dns-operations wrote: We would be interested in hearing other operator's experience here. Are recursive servers seeing similar behavior from authoritative servers? If yes, are you discarding these responses?