Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations

2019-08-15 Thread Henderson, Karl
Hi Paul, To further clarify, we are not suggesting a change to the DoT protocol and are making liberal use of the final sentence in the Abstract of RFC7858 and echoed in the Introduction of RFC8310: "It does not prevent future applications of the protocol to recursive-to-authoritative

Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations

2019-08-15 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 15, 2019, at 12:24 PM, Henderson, Karl wrote: > > To be clear, ADoT is not a new standard. This is simply DNS over TLS as > specified in RFC7858, RFC 7858 makes it clear that it is for stub-to-recursive. That is called out in the Abstract and the Introduction. > further defined as

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations

2019-08-15 Thread Henderson, Karl
To be clear, ADoT is not a new standard. This is simply DNS over TLS as specified in RFC7858, further defined as ADoT in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-02, and again in this draft in the introduction “…this document's scope is the recursive-to-authoritative

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations

2019-08-15 Thread Hugo Maxwell Connery
Hi DPRIVE, +1 on not adopting deployment guidelines for standards which dont exist. So, this gives us an "order of approval". Indeed, it may mean that the AHoT op doc is never an RFC. Whatever. (and here I continue to wholly agreeing with you, but waffle on because I think this is

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations

2019-08-15 Thread Henderson, Karl
Hi Stephen, The intent is to be both descriptive (outlining the problem space and things that need to be considered for robust deployment) and prescriptive in areas we feel are necessary (i.e. TLS 1.3 SHOULD be preferred over TLS 1.2...). This is in line with the other RFCs noted earlier

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations

2019-08-15 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hi Karl, On 15/08/2019 14:07, Henderson, Karl wrote: > Stephen, > > Thanks for your thorough and thoughtful review. > > To answer question #0, we are aiming for RFC with Informational > category. This is in line with other operational considerations such > as RFC2541->RFC6781 and RFC4472. Ok,

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations

2019-08-15 Thread Henderson, Karl
Stephen, Thanks for your thorough and thoughtful review. To answer question #0, we are aiming for RFC with Informational category. This is in line with other operational considerations such as RFC2541->RFC6781 and RFC4472. I will discuss your other questions and suggestion for a non-operator

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations

2019-08-15 Thread Hugo Connery
Hi DPRIVE, Firstly, I concur with Stephen Farrell's comments. I support the document and further work on it. My comments are: 1.1.1 spelling: proection -> protection "Initial deployments of ADoT may offer an immediate expansion of the attack surface (additional port, transport

Re: [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot-operational-considerations

2019-08-15 Thread Hollenbeck, Scott
> -Original Message- > From: dns-privacy On Behalf Of Brian > Haberman > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 4:40 PM > To: dns-privacy@ietf.org > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [dns-privacy] Call for Adoption: draft-hal-adot- > operational-considerations > > This starts a Call for Adoption for >