Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure

2014-11-05 Thread Ray Bellis
On 29 Oct 2014, at 18:50, Rubens Kuhl rube...@nic.br wrote: What constitutes prior art, an idea or implementation of the idea ? Would the 2007 implementation of a botnet with a built-in recursive resolver that sends QNAME-minimised queries to the root to find the relevant TLD NS records

Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure

2014-11-05 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Was anything published? Sent from my difference engine On Nov 5, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Ray Bellis ray.bel...@nominet.org.uk wrote: On 29 Oct 2014, at 18:50, Rubens Kuhl rube...@nic.br wrote: What constitutes prior art, an idea or implementation of the idea ? Would the 2007

Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure

2014-11-05 Thread Paul Hoffman
I moved the discussion to the dnsop mailing list because it is that WG, not this one, which is discussing the draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation draft. --Paul Hoffman ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org

Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure

2014-10-29 Thread Florian Weimer
* Brian Haberman: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2469/ https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2010-February/005003.html I don't think it's the only public discussion of this idea from that time frame. ___ dns-privacy mailing list

Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure

2014-10-29 Thread grothoff
Generally speaking, the public expression of the idea is sufficient to count for prior art, just like you can patent something you did not (or could not) build. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, and the rule of law may not exist in your country anyway.) On 10/29/2014

Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure

2014-10-29 Thread Don Blumenthal
, 2014 2:50 PM To: Florian Weimer Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure Em 29/10/2014, à(s) 16:21:000, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de escreveu: * Brian Haberman: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2469/ https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns

Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure

2014-10-29 Thread Christian Huitema
dblument...@pir.org; Rubens Kuhl rube...@nic.br; Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org dns-privacy@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure The quoted thread looks to me like nearly-very-good prior art. If it had said the same for 2LDs or more generically