Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure
On 29 Oct 2014, at 18:50, Rubens Kuhl rube...@nic.br wrote: What constitutes prior art, an idea or implementation of the idea ? Would the 2007 implementation of a botnet with a built-in recursive resolver that sends QNAME-minimised queries to the root to find the relevant TLD NS records count? Ray ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy
Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure
Was anything published? Sent from my difference engine On Nov 5, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Ray Bellis ray.bel...@nominet.org.uk wrote: On 29 Oct 2014, at 18:50, Rubens Kuhl rube...@nic.br wrote: What constitutes prior art, an idea or implementation of the idea ? Would the 2007 implementation of a botnet with a built-in recursive resolver that sends QNAME-minimised queries to the root to find the relevant TLD NS records count? Ray ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy
Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure
I moved the discussion to the dnsop mailing list because it is that WG, not this one, which is discussing the draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation draft. --Paul Hoffman ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy
Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure
* Brian Haberman: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2469/ https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2010-February/005003.html I don't think it's the only public discussion of this idea from that time frame. ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy
Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure
Generally speaking, the public expression of the idea is sufficient to count for prior art, just like you can patent something you did not (or could not) build. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, and the rule of law may not exist in your country anyway.) On 10/29/2014 07:50 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: Em 29/10/2014, à(s) 16:21:000, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de escreveu: * Brian Haberman: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2469/ https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2010-February/005003.html I don't think it's the only public discussion of this idea from that time frame. What constitutes prior art, an idea or implementation of the idea ? Rubens ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy
Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure
I'm reaching into the recesses of the brain to when I taught intellectual property (the other IP) law for non-lawyers in an undergrad program that had an arts and design program. The interests were more toward copyright and trademark but we talked about patent a little bit. All parts of IP law are complex. Briefly though, prior art does not have to be something that has been patented. It can, for example, have been described in publications. Don -Original Message- From: dns-privacy [mailto:dns-privacy-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:50 PM To: Florian Weimer Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure Em 29/10/2014, à(s) 16:21:000, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de escreveu: * Brian Haberman: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2469/ https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2010-February/005 003.html I don't think it's the only public discussion of this idea from that time frame. What constitutes prior art, an idea or implementation of the idea ? Rubens ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy
Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure
Also, suppliants are bound under oath to disclose all the prior art that they know of. Arguably, after reading this thread, they have to forward it to the patent office. -Original Message- From: Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie Sent: 10/29/2014 12:48 PM To: Don Blumenthal dblument...@pir.org; Rubens Kuhl rube...@nic.br; Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org dns-privacy@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure The quoted thread looks to me like nearly-very-good prior art. If it had said the same for 2LDs or more generically for any number of labels then it'd be very good prior art. But the existence of really really good prior art has in the past not been enough to stop the USPTO so I wouldn't hold out that much hope of something sensible happening there. Perhaps it'd be more likely that the applicant might decide to not bother pursuing something for which it turns out there is good prior art, which can actually be a fine outcome as an abandoned application is a pretty good IPR declaration really;-) S. On 29/10/14 19:43, Don Blumenthal wrote: I'm reaching into the recesses of the brain to when I taught intellectual property (the other IP) law for non-lawyers in an undergrad program that had an arts and design program. The interests were more toward copyright and trademark but we talked about patent a little bit. All parts of IP law are complex. Briefly though, prior art does not have to be something that has been patented. It can, for example, have been described in publications. Don -Original Message- From: dns-privacy [mailto:dns-privacy-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:50 PM To: Florian Weimer Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Verisign patent disclosure Em 29/10/2014, à(s) 16:21:000, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de escreveu: * Brian Haberman: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2469/ https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2010-February/005 003.html I don't think it's the only public discussion of this idea from that time frame. What constitutes prior art, an idea or implementation of the idea ? Rubens ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy ___ dns-privacy mailing list dns-privacy@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy
