Re: [DNSOP] draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01

2016-03-25 Thread David Conrad
Andrew, On Mar 25, 2016, at 7:16 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I think it is plain that a name that is actually somehow implicated in > the existing root policies (in which I would include names that are > excluded under some ICANN policy) are just not candidates for 6761 > reservation, and I woul

Re: [DNSOP] Introducing draft-vavrusa-dnsop-aaaa-for-free

2016-03-25 Thread Marek VavruĊĦa
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 7:51 PM, John Levine wrote: > >As I think many here know, I am not of the get-off-my-lawn persuasion > >for DNS innovations. I don't think it's a bad idea in principle. I'm > >just aware that we have this long history, and that history was based > >on a certain kind of c

Re: [DNSOP] draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01

2016-03-25 Thread Ralph Droms
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 9:37 PM 3/25/16, Paul Hoffman > wrote: > > On 25 Mar 2016, at 8:33, Ralph Droms wrote: > >> I'm responding here with none of my various hats on... > > As are we all. (Or, in some of our cases, wearing none of our organization's > jaunty logos...) > >> Here's the tl;dr

Re: [DNSOP] Introducing draft-vavrusa-dnsop-aaaa-for-free

2016-03-25 Thread John Levine
>As I think many here know, I am not of the get-off-my-lawn persuasion >for DNS innovations. I don't think it's a bad idea in principle. I'm >just aware that we have this long history, and that history was based >on a certain kind of conservatism that is arguably appropriate to a >technology quit

Re: [DNSOP] draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01

2016-03-25 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi, Since we're making disclaimers, ObDisclaimerPersonalViews. On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 08:32:02PM +, Alain Durand wrote: > IMHO, a "more well-defined decision process" would not help, as I would argue > that the IETF (and the IESG as well) is ill-equipped > to wade in the political/economic/

Re: [DNSOP] draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01

2016-03-25 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 25 Mar 2016, at 8:33, Ralph Droms wrote: I'm responding here with none of my various hats on... As are we all. (Or, in some of our cases, wearing none of our organization's jaunty logos...) Here's the tl;dr version. This document has some useful information and raises, directly and ind

Re: [DNSOP] Introducing draft-vavrusa-dnsop-aaaa-for-free

2016-03-25 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 08:33:28AM +1000, George Michaelson wrote: > Very strong +1. The % of incoming query with DO set is far, far higher > than the % of incoming query seen at authority who subsequently ask > for DS/DNSKEY at zone and parent. There is a good, strong indication > that resolvers p

Re: [DNSOP] dnsop - Requested sessions have been scheduled for IETF 95

2016-03-25 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20160325142954.ga18...@nic.fr>, Stephane Bortzmeyer writes: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 03:05:19PM -0800, > "IETF Secretariat" wrote > a message of 42 lines which said: > > > dnsop Session 1 (2:00:00) > > Friday, Morning Session I 1000-1200 > > Room Name: Buen Ayre C size: 2

Re: [DNSOP] draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01

2016-03-25 Thread Alain Durand
> On Mar 25, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Ralph Droms wrote: > >>> >>> By design, RFC 6761 makes no >>> statement about a specific WG or evaluation body or process. >> >> Which is, of course, one of the key problems. It results in an undefined >> decision process dependent on the individual subjective e

Re: [DNSOP] draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01

2016-03-25 Thread Ralph Droms
Thanks for the quick followup, David... > On Mar 25, 2016, at 1:04 PM 3/25/16, David Conrad > wrote: > > Ralph, > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: >> I'm responding here with none of my various hats on... > > Me too. > >> RD>> I think it's more correct to write that RFC 768

Re: [DNSOP] draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01

2016-03-25 Thread David Conrad
Ralph, On Mar 25, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: > I'm responding here with none of my various hats on... Me too. > RD>> I think it's more correct to write that RFC 7686 defines ".onion" > as a Special-Use Domain Name, which takes it out of the Domain Name > space. No. It is still a dom

Re: [DNSOP] draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-01

2016-03-25 Thread Ralph Droms
I'm responding here with none of my various hats on... Here's the tl;dr version. This document has some useful information and raises, directly and indirectly, some important questions that the IETF should consider. Unfortunately, those useful bits are buried in a polemic that is directed tow

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-liu-dnsop-dns-cache

2016-03-25 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 02:41:02PM +0800, Z.W. Yan wrote a message of 80 lines which said: > A new draft about the operation of DNS cache service was just posted. > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-dnsop-dns-cache-00.txt > This is an initial version and needs more details, so we

Re: [DNSOP] dnsop - Requested sessions have been scheduled for IETF 95

2016-03-25 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 03:05:19PM -0800, "IETF Secretariat" wrote a message of 42 lines which said: > dnsop Session 2 (1:00:00) > Friday, Afternoon Session I 1220-1320 > Room Name: Pacifico A size: 300 Wednesday, now. ___ DNSOP mailin

Re: [DNSOP] dnsop - Requested sessions have been scheduled for IETF 95

2016-03-25 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 03:05:19PM -0800, "IETF Secretariat" wrote a message of 42 lines which said: > dnsop Session 1 (2:00:00) > Friday, Morning Session I 1000-1200 > Room Name: Buen Ayre C size: 250 Nothing about draft-ietf-dnsop-no-response-issue, draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any or dr

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-fujiwara-dnsop-nsec-aggressiveuse-03.txt

2016-03-25 Thread fujiwara
> From: Shane Kerr >> Last week, Kato and I submitted -03 version of >> draft-fujiwara-dnsop-nsec-aggressiveuse draft. It improved the >> structure of the document for readability and made minor corrections >> but essential idea has not been changed. > > Thank you for this work. I hope that it go

Re: [DNSOP] Some proposals for draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem-02

2016-03-25 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 06:09:56PM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote a message of 83 lines which said: > The authors have done a great job of cleaning up the document since > the -01, but there are still many open issues. In my opinion, there are no substantial differences between -01 and -02. So, al