Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Tim Wicinski
I am like 2 minutes behind Joe on the XML link Thanks Joe On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 3:29 PM Joe Abley wrote: > On 16 Aug 2019, at 14:28, Erik Kline wrote: > > > > https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/special-use-domain-names.xhtml#special-use-domain > > > > > > I have won

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16 Aug 2019, at 14:28, Erik Kline wrote: > https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/special-use-domain-names.xhtml#special-use-domain > > > I have wondered whether or not it would be useful for IANA to have a git repo > where these canonical data could live alongside script

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Erik Kline
https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/special-use-domain-names.xhtml#special-use-domain I have wondered whether or not it would be useful for IANA to have a git repo where these canonical data could live alongside scripts that transform them into things like C #include header

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Christian Huitema
To put things in perspective, the special use TLD defined according to RFC 6761 account for about 4% of the traffic seen at the L root, according to https://ithi.research.icann.org/graph-m3.html. Of those, ".local" account for a bit more than 3%, ".localhost" a bit less than 0.5%, and ".invalid" a

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Steve Crocker
Ack. Tnx. On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:56 AM Joe Abley wrote: > On 16 Aug 2019, at 10:59, Steve Crocker wrote: > > > At the risk of revealing that I haven't been following this thread > carefully, I don't understand how a resolver is supposed to know all of the > special names. Resolvers that a

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Joe Abley
On 16 Aug 2019, at 10:59, Steve Crocker wrote: > At the risk of revealing that I haven't been following this thread carefully, > I don't understand how a resolver is supposed to know all of the special > names. Resolvers that are configured to know that invalid, local, onion, and > test are s

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Paul Vixie
On Friday, 16 August 2019 13:10:02 UTC Ted Lemon wrote: > ... > > What’s the motivation behind this proposal? > > ... i think it's to reduce the time between a mouse click and an advertising impression, but i'm not an author so that's not "authoritative". it seems to me that the web's technica

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Steve Crocker
At the risk of revealing that I haven't been following this thread carefully, I don't understand how a resolver is supposed to know all of the special names. Resolvers that are configured to know that invalid, local, onion, and test are special will not know about the next name that's put on the s

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Andrew Sullivan
As I often note, I work for ISOC but I'm not speaking for it. On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:30:06AM +0200, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > I've been wondering what's best to do around these TLDs: invalid, local, > onion, test.  The RFCs say that resolvers SHOULD recognize them as > special and answer NXDOMA

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 16, 2019, at 09:26, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > > On 8/16/19 3:10 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: >> If you look up “onion”, you have revealed that the user is trying to >> use tOR, even if you haven’t revealed where they are going. > > Well, in this particular case the tOR client would probably better

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 8/16/19 3:10 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > If you look up “onion”, you have revealed that the user is trying to > use tOR, even if you haven’t revealed where they are going. Well, in this particular case the tOR client would probably better not send onion queries to DNS resolver, but generally there w

Re: [DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Ted Lemon
If you look up “onion”, you have revealed that the user is trying to use tOR, even if you haven’t revealed where they are going. What’s the motivation behind this proposal? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2019, at 05:30, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > >  > Hello, > > I've been wondering what's b

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-sah-resolver-information

2019-08-16 Thread Tim Wicinski
All The Call for Adoption for draft-sah-resolver-information has ended, and there seems to be strong consensus. The consensus is "Let's adopt this document, but let's do more work on the details". The chairs here this quite strongly. We'll adopt the document and if the working group should be ab

Re: [DNSOP] responses to dnsop extended errors comments

2019-08-16 Thread Ray Bellis
On 10/08/2019 06:26, Wes Hardaker wrote: 8.2.2 DONE The biggest issue is of course to find out what to put in the extended - error code. On some resolvers (at least on Knot), the place where the error is n

[DNSOP] Special-use TLDs in resolvers

2019-08-16 Thread Vladimír Čunát
Hello, I've been wondering what's best to do around these TLDs: invalid, local, onion, test.  The RFCs say that resolvers SHOULD recognize them as special and answer NXDOMAIN without any interaction with nameservers (by default).  What do you think about NOT following this "advice", subject to som