Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for Revised IANA Considerations for DNSSEC

2021-08-12 Thread Brian Dickson
Hi, Joe, Please allow me to interject, on a few different issues from this thread… Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 12, 2021, at 4:39 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > > Hi Paul, > >> On 12 Aug 2021, at 15:48, Paul Wouters wrote: >> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, Joe Abley wrote: >> This would have been

[DNSOP] dnsop - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 112

2021-08-12 Thread IETF Meeting Session Request Tool
A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Tim Wicinski, a Chair of the dnsop working group. - Working Group Name: Domain Name System Operations Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Tim Wicinski

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for Revised IANA Considerations for DNSSEC

2021-08-12 Thread Joe Abley
On Aug 12, 2021, at 16:53, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, Joe Abley wrote: > >> I think the set of acceptable algorithms is constrained sufficiently often >> by registries and registrars that it makes little sense to consider any >> other case. > > I think this problem is more

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for Revised IANA Considerations for DNSSEC

2021-08-12 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, Joe Abley wrote: I think the set of acceptable algorithms is constrained sufficiently often by registries and registrars that it makes little sense to consider any other case. I think this problem is more easilly solved. You can reach out to them. So my own order of

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for Revised IANA Considerations for DNSSEC

2021-08-12 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Paul, On 12 Aug 2021, at 15:48, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, Joe Abley wrote: > >>> This would have been excellent to do when we did DS. It would still be >>> good to do this now, I agree. But it would be too late for some of the >>> things discussed now. >> >> Can you talk

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for Revised IANA Considerations for DNSSEC

2021-08-12 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, Joe Abley wrote: This would have been excellent to do when we did DS. It would still be good to do this now, I agree. But it would be too late for some of the things discussed now. Can you talk more about why you think so? I did a small presentation during IETF 111

Re: [DNSOP] DS glue for NS draft

2021-08-12 Thread Brian Dickson
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 12, 2021, at 12:21 PM, John Levine wrote: > > It appears that Brian Dickson said: >> -=-=-=-=-=- >> >> This is the work I will be submitting in DNSOP. >> >> This is what has been described as a “hack”, but provides a needed >> validation link for

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for Revised IANA Considerations for DNSSEC

2021-08-12 Thread Joe Abley
On Aug 12, 2021, at 10:57, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: > >> The DS record is a unique record that it lives only at the parent side of >> delegation, when DNS was defined no such records were >> envisioned, if more are needed this working should take up

Re: [DNSOP] DS glue for NS draft

2021-08-12 Thread John Levine
It appears that Brian Dickson said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >This is the work I will be submitting in DNSOP. > >This is what has been described as a “hack”, but provides a needed validation >link for authoritative servers where the latter are in >signed zones, but where the served zones may not be

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for Revised IANA Considerations for DNSSEC

2021-08-12 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: IMHO the ONLY benefit of it is to encourage DS record overloading with random data that has no DNSSEC relevance,  leading to abuse that threatens to turn the DS record into the new TXT overloading record resulting in large DS sets.  Not the

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for Revised IANA Considerations for DNSSEC

2021-08-12 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
> On Aug 4, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > All > > This starts a Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-iana-cons > > Current versions of the draft is available here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-iana-cons/ >

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (Service binding and parameter specification via the DNS (DNS SVCB and HTTPS RRs)) to Proposed Standard

2021-08-12 Thread Mark Nottingham
Some things I noticed: * Section 6.1 -- the semantics of 'no-default-alpn' are not actually specified anywhere, as far as I can see; the reader has to infer them from context. * Section 8 -- 'This section specifies the mapping for HTTPS and HTTP.' It would be good if the HTTP Semantics

Re: [DNSOP] DS glue for NS draft

2021-08-12 Thread fujiwara
Hello, I read draft-dickson-dnsop-ds-hack-00 and it proposes that - it assign three new DNSKEY algorithms (alg_ns, alg_A, alg_) - it generate 3 new DS RRs for all parent side NS RR and glue (A/) It will increase DS reponse 48bytes * 3 = 144 bytes. (in case of digest type 2) owner