Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-10 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, 2021-05-10 at 22:09 +0100, Tony Finch wrote: > Peter van Dijk wrote: > > Also in section 3.2, I do not think responding with the option should > > be limited to NOERROR. Specifically, I'd very much also want it to work > > for NXDOMAIN, > > Isn't the SOA record usually present in a

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-10 Thread Tony Finch
Peter van Dijk wrote: > > Also in section 3.2, I do not think responding with the option should > be limited to NOERROR. Specifically, I'd very much also want it to work > for NXDOMAIN, Isn't the SOA record usually present in a negative response? > and I can imagine some cases of it being

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-10 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, 2021-05-10 at 12:37 -0400, Hugo Salgado wrote: > Hello everyone. Thanks for the comments, I just uploaded an unchanged > version (just to revive it) at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-salgado-dnsop-RRSERIAL/ Thanks Hugo, that is useful. In section 3.2, 'the resource record of

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-10 Thread Mauricio Vergara Ereche
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I agree with what Hugo said I would also like to point out that this draft spirit is aiming to be a debugging tool to be used by humans and not in between servers. If we start introducing all these new use cases in-between servers (like

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-10 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Vladimir, On 10 May 2021, at 04:32, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > On 10. 05. 21 10:19, Petr Špaček wrote: >> I think the proper solution should be a real multi-query option, which >> incidentally provides a superset of RRSERIAL capabilities. > > If multi-queries require the records being in sync

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-10 Thread Hugo Salgado
Hello everyone. Thanks for the comments, I just uploaded an unchanged version (just to revive it) at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-salgado-dnsop-RRSERIAL/ I agree RRSERIAL doesn't have much relevance in zones that don't give serial versioning a meaning to its content. We can add a

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-10 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 10. 05. 21 10:19, Petr Špaček wrote: I think the proper solution should be a real multi-query option, which incidentally provides a superset of RRSERIAL capabilities. If multi-queries require the records being in sync (if from the same zone), I really dislike the implications of them being

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-10 Thread Petr Špaček
On 27. 01. 20 16:08, Hugo Salgado wrote: Dear DNSOPers, as an operator I tend to have this need to couple an answer for a query to an auth server, with the actual "SOA zone version" used. So I think it'll be valuable to have an EDNS option for it. Here I'm proposing it with this new draft. The

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-07 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 10:09, Hugo Salgado wrote: > > Dear DNSOPers, as an operator I tend to have this need to couple > an answer for a query to an auth server, with the actual "SOA zone > version" used. So I think it'll be valuable to have an EDNS option > for it. I also missed this the first

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-07 Thread Donald Eastlake
Seems like a good idea to me. I think the WG should adopt it. Thanks, Donald === Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:09 AM Hugo Salgado wrote: > > Dear DNSOPers, as

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-07 Thread Brian Dickson
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 10:03 AM Joe Abley wrote: > Hi Hugo, > > On 7 May 2021, at 12:47, Hugo Salgado wrote: > > > I'll upload a new version to revive it, and ask for a slot > > in IETF111 for further discussion! > > Just to add my voice to the chorus, I missed this the first time around so >

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7 May 2021, at 13:39, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Hugo Salgado said: >> -=-=-=-=-=- >> >> I'll upload a new version to revive it, and ask for a slot >> in IETF111 for further discussion! > > It looks like it's worth considering, but I also wonder how > relevant it is for DNS

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-07 Thread Frederico A C Neves
On Fri, May 07, 2021 at 01:39:56PM -0400, John Levine wrote: > It appears that Hugo Salgado said: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >I'll upload a new version to revive it, and ask for a slot > >in IETF111 for further discussion! > > It looks like it's worth considering, but I also wonder how > relevant it

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-07 Thread John Levine
It appears that Hugo Salgado said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I'll upload a new version to revive it, and ask for a slot >in IETF111 for further discussion! It looks like it's worth considering, but I also wonder how relevant it is for DNS servers that don't use AXFR/IXFR and SOA serial numbers to keep

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-07 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Hugo, On 7 May 2021, at 12:47, Hugo Salgado wrote: > I'll upload a new version to revive it, and ask for a slot > in IETF111 for further discussion! Just to add my voice to the chorus, I missed this the first time around so thanks, Mauricio, for mentioning it. I haven't read the draft in

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-07 Thread Hugo Salgado
I'll upload a new version to revive it, and ask for a slot in IETF111 for further discussion! Thanks, Hugo On 22:02 06/05, Mauricio Vergara Ereche wrote: > Hi Hugo, > > I just want to bring back to life this topic as it solves an issue that > several operators (like me) seem to be in need to

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2021-05-06 Thread Mauricio Vergara Ereche
Hi Hugo, I just want to bring back to life this topic as it solves an issue that several operators (like me) seem to be in need to solve while debugging issues. Mauricio On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 7:09 AM Hugo Salgado wrote: > Dear DNSOPers, as an operator I tend to have this need to couple > an

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2020-01-28 Thread Hugo Salgado
Hi Duane. On 20:49 27/01, Wessels, Duane wrote: > Hi Hugo, > > I like this proposal and think that DNSOP should adopt it. I agree that it > will prove valuable in debugging. > Great. > A couple of comments and suggestions: > > Sections 2 and 3 could be clarified regarding the value for

Re: [DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2020-01-27 Thread Wessels, Duane
Hi Hugo, I like this proposal and think that DNSOP should adopt it. I agree that it will prove valuable in debugging. A couple of comments and suggestions: Sections 2 and 3 could be clarified regarding the value for OPTION-LENGTH. I gather the intention is that OPTION-LENGTH is zero for

[DNSOP] Adoption of new EDNS opcode "rrserial"

2020-01-27 Thread Hugo Salgado
Dear DNSOPers, as an operator I tend to have this need to couple an answer for a query to an auth server, with the actual "SOA zone version" used. So I think it'll be valuable to have an EDNS option for it. Here I'm proposing it with this new draft. The 'camel index' for its