Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-07-06 Thread Tim Wicinski
All Thanks for all the comments on this draft. While we saw many comments addressing the contents, and Daniel was very quick to address, the chairs did not hear consensus in support of moving the draft forward. We talked about this with our AD, and he agrees with our assessment. We are going to

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-28 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi, Please find the new version that addresses Christina comments. It includes a secure transport section and the security considerations section has been consolidated by adding a trust model section. As always, comments are welcome!

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-22 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi, I have just drafted a secure transport and a security considerations section, that I believe provide sufficient guidance to a DRO. I expect to further review these sections and publish a new version very soon. As always, comments are welcome.

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-15 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Christina, Thanks for the review and the suggestions. Please see my comments inline. Yours, Daniel On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:56 AM Christian Huitema wrote: > I know that the feedback was due last Sunday, but here comes mine > anyhow, after looking at the latest iteration of the draft. > >

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-15 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Florian, Thanks for the feed back. One motivation for this document was to provide guidance to deploy a DNSSEC resolver and implicitly encourage those not doing it already. I think that your comment was very helpful as it clearly indicated that we were achieving the opposite of what we were

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-15 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Andrew, Thanks for the comment, the current document is much shorter than the initial document. Regarding grammar, and linguistic issues - I am adding explanations hard to follow - have been removed and largely rewritten from scratch. I believe the current version addresses your concerns.

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-15 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 6/15/23 15:32, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: I agree that client-side validation would be ideal. One important aspect here is to save on the latency caused by extra queries; my impression is that this extra cost is generally considered prohibitive. Not sure what you mean by "generally" (is that

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-15 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 12:09:23PM -0400, Peter Thomassen wrote: > > But the focus changes. For example, if we consider that "spoofing by > > recursive server" is a threat, then having the recursive set bits to > > affirm that the response is verified is not much of a protection -- > > the

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-14 Thread Peter Thomassen
Hi Christian, On 6/14/23 11:55, Christian Huitema wrote: In the old model, we are very concerned about third parties spoofing responses and polluting resolver caches. In a secure transport model, the only parties that can spoof responses are the resolvers themselves: authoritative resolvers

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-14 Thread Christian Huitema
I know that the feedback was due last Sunday, but here comes mine anyhow, after looking at the latest iteration of the draft. The draft makes a number of recommendations, which seem all reasonable, but what struck me was the weak tie between these recommendations and the security

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-07 Thread Florian Obser
On 2023-06-07 13:08 -04, Tim Wicinski wrote: > Just a reminder we're looking for any feedback on continuing work on this > document. The Chairs/OverLord Warren feel significant work on this > document is needed, but that may not be relevant. The document seems to have a rather pessimistic view

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-07 Thread Tim Wicinski
Just a reminder we're looking for any feedback on continuing work on this document. The Chairs/OverLord Warren feel significant work on this document is needed, but that may not be relevant. We're wrapping this feedback up this Sunday 11 June. (and Thanks Andrew for your comments) tim On

Re: [DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-05 Thread Andrew McConachie
As this document’s shepherd, FWIW I think that if the document does proceed in the WG it needs significant love and attention. The document in its current state is not well written and it would require significant labor to resolve its numerous grammar and linguistic issues. It’s also very long

[DNSOP] Current status of draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-05-29 Thread Tim Wicinski
All, The chairs want to thank everyone for the feedback on this document recently. We've been in discussions with Warren and the authors about this document, and we have some questions we'd like the working group to help us resolve. While this work was relevant when it was first written and