Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-06-15 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Peter, Thanks for the feedbacks. I agree that the idea of shortening the TTL based on all TTLs of the chains may be too intrusive and not respect the willingness of the authoritative server - which also needs to be taken into account. One other reason we removed such recommendation was also

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-05-19 Thread Peter Thomassen
Hi Daniel, On 5/18/23 02:26, Daniel Migault wrote: On 5/17/23 22:01, Daniel Migault wrote: > I agree but as far as can see the cap of the TTL with a revalidation will only resync the resolver and the zone more often than could be expected otherwise but does not result in the cached

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-05-17 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Peter, Thanks for the response. I think I need to understand better how revalidation is performed. Yours, Daniel On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 4:26 PM Peter Thomassen wrote: > Hi Daniel, > > On 5/17/23 22:01, Daniel Migault wrote: > > I agree but as far as can see the cap of the TTL with a

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-05-17 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Peter, Thanks you very much for these comments. I will look carefully how to implement carefully these comments in our new version. Yours, Daniel On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 1:08 PM Peter Thomassen wrote: > > > On 5/12/23 23:09, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > > Repost of my belated comments in the

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-05-17 Thread Peter Thomassen
Hi Daniel, On 5/17/23 22:01, Daniel Migault wrote: I agree but as far as can see the cap of the TTL with a revalidation will not only resync the resolver and the zone more often than could be expected otherwise but does not result in the cached RRsets differing from those provided by the

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-05-17 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Viktor, Thanks for the feedbacks. Please see my comment/responses below. Yours, Daniel On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 5:10 PM Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 03:21:27PM -0400, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > This starts a Working Group Last Call for > > draft

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-05-16 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 5/12/23 23:09, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: Repost of my belated comments in the thread, apologies about not doing it right the first time... Inspired by Viktor's comments, I spent some time to give the document a thorough review. I'd like to support Viktor's comments on the dependent RRset

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-05-12 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 03:21:27PM -0400, Tim Wicinski wrote: > This starts a Working Group Last Call for > draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements > > Current versions of the draft is available here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validat

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-01-30 Thread Livingood, Jason
: Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements All Daniel and I noticed some weird formatting issues with his -02 draft, so he's pushed out -03 which is just fixing some broken formatting. Tim On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 2:28 PM Tim Wicinski mailto:tjw.i

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-01-24 Thread Tim Wicinski
All Daniel and I noticed some weird formatting issues with his -02 draft, so he's pushed out -03 which is just fixing some broken formatting. Tim On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 2:28 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > Thanks Daniel. We've been waiting for your updated draft. > > tim > > > On Tue, Jan 24,

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-01-24 Thread Daniel Migault
ok, I just posted the 02 version. Yours, Daniel On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 2:28 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > Thanks Daniel. We've been waiting for your updated draft. > > tim > > > On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:14 AM Daniel Migault > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> If you think I have addressed all comments I

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-01-24 Thread Tim Wicinski
Thanks Daniel. We've been waiting for your updated draft. tim On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 10:14 AM Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi, > > If you think I have addressed all comments I received, if you believe that > is not the case or if there are other comments, please let me know. > Otherwise I

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-01-24 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi, If you think I have addressed all comments I received, if you believe that is not the case or if there are other comments, please let me know. Otherwise I expect to publish a new version by the end of the week. Yours, Daniel On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 5:21 PM Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi, > >

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-01-13 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi, I am just wondering if you have any further comments or thoughts or we declare your concerns being addressed. If you think we are fine, just let me know. Yours, Daniel On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 7:14 PM Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi Vladimir and Florian, > > Thanks for the comment regarding the

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2023-01-03 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Vladimir and Florian, Thanks for the comment regarding the use of 5011, to update the trust anchors. There are two situations where TAs need to be updated: * 1) configuration so the server instances are started with the up-to-date TA. * 2) a running resolver instance that has been started with

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-12-21 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 15/12/2022 23.36, Daniel Migault wrote: I don't see the part about extended errors as problematic (RFC 8914).  It really seems to be getting into (open-source) implementations and it can help with debugging in some cases, though deploying it is probably not very important

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-12-15 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Peter and Vladimir, The disconnect between the requirements and the recommendations effectively reflects the misconception we had in the beginning. We have always wanted to provide guidelines to DRO and started listing some requirements for the software. However, the operators generally are

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-12-15 Thread Daniel Migault
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 6:29 AM Vladimír Čunát wrote: > On 25/11/2022 18.26, Daniel Migault wrote: > > So let me know how we came to this lines and I suspect we do share some > similar concerns. A recurrent question and reticence we receive from MNO > and ISPs regarding DNSSEC is that they are

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-12-15 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 12/15/22 15:01, Vladimír Čunát wrote: On 15/12/2022 14.45, Peter Thomassen wrote: In what sense is this document "informational" when it is called "validator requirements", or, conversely, in what sense does it spell out "requirements" when it is only "informational" and not "standards

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-12-15 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 15/12/2022 14.45, Peter Thomassen wrote: In what sense is this document "informational" when it is called "validator requirements", or, conversely, in what sense does it spell out "requirements" when it is only "informational" and not "standards track"? The current *title* says

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-12-15 Thread Peter Thomassen
10/19/22 21:21, Tim Wicinski wrote: This starts a Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements Current versions of the draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ie

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-11-28 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 25/11/2022 18.26, Daniel Migault wrote: So let me know how we came to this lines and I suspect we do share some similar concerns. A recurrent question and reticence we receive from MNO and ISPs regarding DNSSEC is that they are really scared about having the cache with incoherent RRsets in

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-11-27 Thread Florian Obser
On 2022-11-25 12:26 -05, Daniel Migault wrote: > On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 10:29 AM Vladimír Čunát > wrote: >> I am surprised you would not recommend RFC 5011 >> >> 5011 needs persistent state, a thing that resolvers/validators often don't >> need at all otherwise (cache is safe to delete). 5011

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-11-25 Thread Daniel Migault
On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 10:29 AM Vladimír Čunát wrote: > OK, thanks. The changes are certainly improvements, in my eyes. Below > I'll further clarify what I meant. > > 4033 indicates it does not make much sense to keep a RRSIG whose validity > period has expired ( TTL > Validity period). > >

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-11-23 Thread Vladimír Čunát
OK, thanks.  The changes are certainly improvements, in my eyes.  Below I'll further clarify what I meant. 4033 indicates it does not make much sense to keep a RRSIG whose validity period has expired ( TTL > Validity period). Yes, I should stress that I do agree with trimming TTL of whole

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-11-22 Thread Daniel Migault
Hi Vladimir, Thanks for the feedback and see inline my comments. You can also find teh changes made on the PR below: https://github.com/mglt/draft-mglt-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements/commit/8238c76899bc5a40b1c5234b623ea44fd3f31c77 Yours, Daniel On Wed, Nov 16, 2022 at 3:51 PM Vladimír

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-11-21 Thread Daniel Migault
-validator-requirements/pull/9/commits/5177f1b460db5a6db89b4c73032838441de1840b Yours, Daniel On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 5:21 PM Brian Dickson wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 12:22 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > >> >> >> This starts a Working Group Last Call for >&g

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-11-16 Thread Vladimír Čunát
Hello. I don't know... my opinions often differ from recommendations of this draft, but ultimately it's subjective to some degree.  As feedback was requested on IETF 115, let me highlight more significant differences in this e-mail, though I dislike arguing about (mostly) opinions. Nit:

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-10-19 Thread Brian Dickson
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 12:22 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > This starts a Working Group Last Call for > draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements > > Current versions of the draft is available here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dnsse

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-10-19 Thread Tim Wicinski
t 19, 2022 at 12:22 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > >> >> >> This starts a Working Group Last Call for >> draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements >> >> Current versions of the draft is available here: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-10-19 Thread Brian Dickson
the WGLC until the authors have had a chance to review/respond to the comments - State the opinion that the document is not ready for publication, based on the comments Brian On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 12:22 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > This starts a Working Group Last Call fo

[DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2022-10-19 Thread Tim Wicinski
This starts a Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements Current versions of the draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements/ The Current Intended Status of this document is: Informational Please review