Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Paul Wouter s writes: > On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > >> How would this work? > > > > With portals that are only available to internal servers you are > > grafting on namespace and you configure your validator to know about > > it and potentially not validate that nam

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: How would this work? With portals that are only available to internal servers you are grafting on namespace and you configure your validator to know about it and potentially not validate that namespace. zone "portal.isp.com" { type forward;

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Paul Wouter s writes: > On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: > > >> If I use my own validating stub resolver I can't make it to the portal > >> page. > > > > With proper configuration of the validating stub resolver and the > > recursive servers your validating stub resolver ar

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread George Barwood
- Original Message - From: "Roy Arends" .. > If you want a real analogy, think alternative roots. From the users > perspective, that is what is happening here: an alternative namespace is > created. Would we have a discussion at all if this perspective was used? I agree. This docume

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009, Mark Andrews wrote: If I use my own validating stub resolver I can't make it to the portal page. With proper configuration of the validating stub resolver and the recursive servers your validating stub resolver are using you should be able to make it to the portal page. I

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Paul Wou ters writes: > On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > >> and working with it. With manipulating my laptop's DNS asking for MY > >> OWN cryptographically signed data, you are asking me to throw out the > >> crypto protection and make me accept a downgrade attack. > > >

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Paul Hoffman wrote: and condemn some of them as bad? That works for me too, although I think it is not that useful to do so in an Informational RFC. Then merge Section 7 Practices to Avoid with Section 8 Functional Design and leave out any (intended or not) judgement on

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Paul Hoffman wrote: and working with it. With manipulating my laptop's DNS asking for MY OWN cryptographically signed data, you are asking me to throw out the crypto protection and make me accept a downgrade attack. Then use a different DNS resolver. If I use my own vali

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Roy Arends
On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26:42PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: DNS lying resolvers are not a solution to an actual problem (otherwise, doing it as an opt-in service would be sufficient). I cannot agree, as much as I would like to. If

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 2:47 PM -0400 7/15/09, Paul Wouters wrote: >Tell me, what is the goal of this informational rfc? I can only tell you my goal, and I am not the author. My goal is to describe different types of lying resolvers so that someone can ask "what type of resolver is that, based on the RFC WXYZ langau

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Tony Finch
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > Just because I know how to avoid going to phishing and malware sites > does not mean it is within the competence of the average user. A better way for ISPs to address that problem is to run an intercepting web proxy that traps connections to infested

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 12:08 AM -0400 7/15/09, Paul Wouters wrote: >On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Paul Hoffman wrote: > I think you need to widen that caveat: anything that isn't a web browser should not use a DNS server that misbehaves as described in this draft. >>> >>>I think you need to widen that caveat: anything

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:26:42PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > DNS lying resolvers are not a solution to an actual problem > (otherwise, doing it as an opt-in service would be sufficient). I cannot agree, as much as I would like to. If there weren't an "actual problem" here to be solved

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, SM wrote: > > Could one of the authors of the document clarify off-list whether the > connectivity provided by an ISP using DNS redirect services is labelled as > Full Internet connectivity? According to the definitions in RFC 4084, the only one that applies to an ISP with lyi

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00

2009-07-15 Thread Antoin Verschuren
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 > -Original Message- > From: dnsop-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:dnsop-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Mark Andrews > Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00 > > > In message <6.2.5.6.2.20090714124754.030b6...@elandnews