Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-18 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 18 Apr 2013, Joe Abley wrote: There's no protocol meaning at present for an apex DS RRSet, which means it ought to be harmless to add one. A parent (or the parent's agent) could decide to act upon the presence of a signed apex DS RRSet just as easily as it could with CDS. It might as

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-18 Thread Paul Vixie
Joe Abley wrote: > > There's no protocol meaning at present for an apex DS RRSet, which means it > ought to be harmless to add one. A parent (or the parent's agent) could > decide to act upon the presence of a signed apex DS RRSet just as easily as > it could with CDS. It might as well pick up

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-04-18, at 18:15, Wes Hardaker wrote: > CDS is at least a decent middle ground that offers a middle point in the > balance equation. It provides a decent point where security and > operational practice might be at the top of the tradeoff bubble. And, > that's why we have operational and

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-18 Thread Wes Hardaker
Edward Lewis writes: [Ed's well written and long thoughts about transfer issues removed] Security vs operational practice has always been a contention. Security purists want the strictest of controls so that nothing can ever be stolen, misused, abused, modified, etc. They'd use 4-factor authen

[DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-18 Thread Edward Lewis
I was thinking a bit about the CDS draft, not specifically it, but the problem it is addressing. This message was spurred by a comment that "in a key emergency where the private key is exposed" the only way to go forward is to completely stop DNSSEC and then do a re-start from state "0." The r

Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes for fun and profit

2013-04-18 Thread tsg
There is no reason USE RULES on the addresses resolved cannot be published (except perhaps that certain parties in this group doesnt want that to happen for some reason). For instance - one could publish a OPT-OUT Statement for Mailing Use Rules, something that is critically needed in dealing

Re: [DNSOP] new DNS classes for fun and profit

2013-04-18 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:10:53AM +0100, Jim Reid wrote a message of 15 lines which said: > > Do people even contemplate new classes anymore? > > Yes. A now dead Swiss(?) He was French. An analysis (in french) of his work is here: http://www.bortzmeyer.org/net4d.html __

[DNSOP] new DNS classes for fun and profit

2013-04-18 Thread Jim Reid
On 18 Apr 2013, at 04:31, Erik Kline wrote: > Do people even contemplate new classes anymore? Yes. A now dead Swiss(?) academic got paid by the ITU to promote this idea 4-5 years ago after he presented it at WSIS and IGF. The concept was to "increase competition" in the DNS name space. Which w