Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-key-timing

2014-07-21 Thread Rose, Scott
I can't speak for all of .gov, but I think the draft is ready for publication.  
Once it has an RFC number it will get worked into products and ops manuals.  
Since a lot of .gov agencies outsource, or use appliances, I wouldn't expect 
much feedback. :)

Scott

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ajs giving useful advice, even if not perfect, on this topic will be
ajs more helpful than producting perfect advice.
[...]
ajs Please publish it.

+1

Many folks won't implement this until it's an RFC (.gov, etc.) but will
and give feedback once it's out. Perfect is the enemy of progress...

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Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-key-timing

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Ebersman

srose I can't speak for all of .gov, but I think the draft is ready for
srose publication.  Once it has an RFC number it will get worked into
srose products and ops manuals.  Since a lot of .gov agencies
srose outsource, or use appliances, I wouldn't expect much feedback. :)

Having worked recently at one of said vendors, where .gov customers
wanted that DNSSEC checkbox thingie but did use various NIST and other
standards, it means that this RFC will get into the check list of RFCs
vendors need to say yes to in bids, so there will be use of the
recommendations.

Sadly, you are probably right on feedback from some of the vendors and
most .govs...

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Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-key-timing

2014-07-21 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 03:10:16PM -0400, Paul Ebersman wrote:
 Sadly, you are probably right on feedback from some of the vendors and
 most .govs...

Not everyone who consumes our documents (or the results of them) is
going to tell us about their experiences.  On the other hand, a couple
of blog posts that read, Well, I tried to follow RFC but after I
read it I was actually more confused than when I started, or, If you
read RFC, it says quite clearly that foo, will tell us whether
we've a big problem or a little one or no problem at all.  Right now,
_nobody_ who doesn't already know what a DNSOP is will know about this
draft.  At least if we publish it, there's some hope people will find
it when searching for relevant RFCs.

A

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Andrew Sullivan
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Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-key-timing

2014-07-21 Thread John Levine
Not everyone who consumes our documents (or the results of them) is
going to tell us about their experiences. 

I'm adding DNSSEC to the zones I host, and I've already found it
useful.  Ship it, please.

R's,
John

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