[DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-arends-dns-error-reporting in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2021-04-06 Thread IETF Secretariat
The DNSOP WG has placed draft-arends-dns-error-reporting in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Tim Wicinski) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-arends-dns-error-reporting/ ___ DNSOP mailing list

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread sthaug
>>> I think this is another point in favor of doing QNAME minimization. >>> RFC7816 (technically experimental, but recommended.) >>> >>> It kind of makes the query order moot; the resolver looks up the shorter >>> name first even while resolving the longer name. >>> >> >> Is there any data or even

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, 6 Apr 2021, Andrew Sullivan wrote: In a somewhat different world where we used RRTYPEs rather than _tag names, we could do tree walks a lot more efficiently. I guess we're now in the world-record running for "somewhat" doing the most amount of work in a sentence? Hey, I'm the guy

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-dns-error-reporting

2021-04-06 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 6, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Benno Overeinder wrote: > > With the IETF 110 DNSOP meeting, the draft DNS Error Reporting > (draft-arends-dns-error-reporting) is presented by Roy Arends. > > In the session, the (virtual) room was asked for adoption of the document or > raise objections. On the

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 05:41:10PM -0400, John Levine wrote: In a somewhat different world where we used RRTYPEs rather than _tag names, we could do tree walks a lot more efficiently. I guess we're now in the world-record running for "somewhat" doing the most amount of work in a sentence?

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread John R Levine
_dmarc.newjersey.sales.bigcorp.wtf _dmarc.sales.bigcorp.wtf _dmarc.bigcorp.wtf Sure, but if I query "_dmarc.newjersey.sales.bigcorp.wtf" and I get back an NXDOMAIN for "sales.bigcorp.wtf", I can eliminate at least one query, But you won't, you'll get back an answer for the name you looked

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:41 PM John Levine wrote: > In this application, no, because it's not doing a strict tree walk: > > _dmarc.newjersey.sales.bigcorp.wtf > _dmarc.sales.bigcorp.wtf > _dmarc.bigcorp.wtf > > The _dmarc tag means that none of the names is an ancestor of any of > the others. It

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Manu Bretelle
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:51 PM Shumon Huque wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:03 PM Murray S. Kucherawy > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:48 AM Shumon Huque wrote: >>> >>> Without DNSSEC, there is no current way to provide an indication about the >>> longest ancestor of the name

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread John Levine
It appears that Murray S. Kucherawy said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I'm wondering something about tree walks, which John Levine asked about in >November, as it's a topic of interest to the evolution of DMARC. > >I've read RFC 8020 which says an NXDOMAIN cached for "foo.example" also >covers later queries

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Shumon Huque
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 5:16 PM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:56 PM Brian Dickson < > brian.peter.dick...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I think this is another point in favor of doing QNAME minimization. >> RFC7816 (technically experimental, but recommended.) >> >> It kind of

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:56 PM Brian Dickson wrote: > I think this is another point in favor of doing QNAME minimization. > RFC7816 (technically experimental, but recommended.) > > It kind of makes the query order moot; the resolver looks up the shorter > name first even while resolving the

[DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-dns-error-reporting

2021-04-06 Thread Benno Overeinder
With the IETF 110 DNSOP meeting, the draft DNS Error Reporting (draft-arends-dns-error-reporting) is presented by Roy Arends. In the session, the (virtual) room was asked for adoption of the document or raise objections. On the mic there was general support for adoption. Now we will start

Re: [DNSOP] using type65 for https with a non-default port

2021-04-06 Thread Stephen Farrell
Hiya, On 06/04/2021 21:00, Ben Schwartz wrote: Here's a proposal to add an example as you suggest: https://github.com/MikeBishop/dns-alt-svc/pull/311/files LGTM, thanks, S. On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 2:44 PM Stephen Farrell wrote: On 03/04/2021 18:07, Ben Schwartz wrote: It's supposed

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Brian Dickson
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:11 AM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > I'm wondering something about tree walks, which John Levine asked about in > November, as it's a topic of interest to the evolution of DMARC. > > I've read RFC 8020 which says an NXDOMAIN cached for "foo.example" also > covers later

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Shumon Huque
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 3:03 PM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:48 AM Shumon Huque wrote: > >> Without DNSSEC, there is no current way to provide an indication about >> the longest ancestor of the name that did exist. With DNSSEC, the NSEC or >> NSEC3 records in the

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:48 AM Shumon Huque wrote: > Without DNSSEC, there is no current way to provide an indication about the > longest ancestor of the name that did exist. With DNSSEC, the NSEC or NSEC3 > records in the response can do this (as well as providing cryptographic > proof of this

Re: [DNSOP] ECS and SVCB

2021-04-06 Thread Ben Schwartz
Thanks to everyone who provided input into the draft text for ECS with SVCB on Github. The current proposed text is: > The EDNS Client Subnet option (ECS, [RFC7871]) allows recursive resolvers to request IP addresses that are suitable for a particular client IP range. SVCB records may contain IP

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Shumon Huque
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:11 PM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > I'm wondering something about tree walks, which John Levine asked about in > November, as it's a topic of interest to the evolution of DMARC. > > I've read RFC 8020 which says an NXDOMAIN cached for "foo.example" also > covers later

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Peter van Dijk
And the 'go read this' reference is https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8198 On Tue, 2021-04-06 at 20:29 +0200, libor.peltan wrote: > Hi Murray, > if foo.example does not exist and DNSSEC is in place, than the resolver > actually, even with the queries "in reverse order", obtains and NSEC(3), >

Re: [DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread libor.peltan
Hi Murray, if foo.example does not exist and DNSSEC is in place, than the resolver actually, even with the queries "in reverse order", obtains and NSEC(3), proving non-existence for much more. For example, the query is bar.foo.example, and the authoritative returns an NSEC proving that

[DNSOP] NXDOMAIN and RFC 8020

2021-04-06 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
I'm wondering something about tree walks, which John Levine asked about in November, as it's a topic of interest to the evolution of DMARC. I've read RFC 8020 which says an NXDOMAIN cached for "foo.example" also covers later queries for "bar.foo.example". Makes sense. Can this be used (or maybe