Re: [DNSOP] Terminology question: split DNS

2018-03-19 Thread John Heidemann
n of wide use of this term, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-horizon_DNS It is not, to me, too great an overlap with split-horizon routing. -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] b-root begins anycast in May

2017-04-18 Thread John Heidemann
[This topic is not directly relevant to dnsop working group events, but the WG overlaps with the right set of technical folks, so pardon the distraction.] To improve B-Root DNS service, B-Root will be activating anycast on 2017-05-01, providing service from a new site in Miami in addition to

Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2016-07-06 Thread John Heidemann
t what the "additional" section is for? (With or without TCP.) -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Root server tar pitting? Is there a better way?

2016-05-16 Thread John Heidemann
sing-the-Response-Rate-Limiting-Feature-in-BIND-9.10.html The KB article talks about doing it in response to a large number of NXDOMAINs per unit time, as it sounds like you encountered. -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (DNS Transport over TCP - Implementation Requirements) to Internet Standard

2015-11-24 Thread John Heidemann
On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:23:50 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: > > >In message <17673.1448400...@dash.isi.edu>, John Heidemann writes: >> On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:25:29 +, "Wessels, Duane" wrote: >> > >> >> On Nov 23, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Mukund Si

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (DNS Transport over TCP - Implementation Requirements) to Internet Standard

2015-11-24 Thread John Heidemann
quot; I think conflates these concepts (it uses the term "message" incorrectly). The AXFR reply does NOT consist of 3 DNS messages, it is ONE DNS message that is split into 3 or more TCP segments. Proposed 5966bis reiterates what was first said in RFC5966: DNS messages over TCP may have replies sent in different order than queries. However, TCP guarantees that the CONTENTS of each DNS message will be provided in strict order, even if it spans multiple TCP segments. -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-5966bis-02

2015-08-06 Thread John Heidemann
to TCP developers (ex: web browser and server developers). Also fortunatley, this is just a SHOULD :-). -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-5966bis-02.txt

2015-07-27 Thread John Heidemann
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:56:10 -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: John Heidemann wrote: ... since you brought it up, i do want to know what the udp response policy will be for servers who have a new-style (explicitly negotiated) persistent tcp session in place. ideally, there will be some

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-5966bis-02.txt

2015-07-26 Thread John Heidemann
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 19:24:17 -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: John Heidemann wrote: On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 10:27:41 -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: ... With modern routers my understanding is it's usually bitrate not packet count that is the limit. Bitrate is about the same for UDP vs. TCP

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-5966bis-02.txt

2015-07-19 Thread John Heidemann
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 10:27:41 -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: John Heidemann wrote: ... I think one has to be careful comparing TCP and UDP attacks here. Yes, this is a DoS attack. The question is not can TCP be used to attack, but is it WORSE than UDP? Or how is it better and worse

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-5966bis-02.txt

2015-07-18 Thread John Heidemann
' TCP compared to today. But in today's hostile Internet, such hardening seems necessary anyway. -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] review of USC/ISI Technical Report ISI-TR-693, June 2014 (as referenced by draft-ietf-dnsop-5966bis-01)

2015-03-20 Thread John Heidemann
and DNS over HTTP. Please don't throw these babies out with the deployment bathwater. -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Followup Discussion on TCP keepalive proposals

2015-01-27 Thread John Heidemann
to other responders? How many responders keep your TCP connection on and actually allow multiple queries? (There are concerns about TCP port 53 being firewalled, or responders not handling TCP at all.) -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP

Re: [DNSOP] Followup Discussion on TCP keepalive proposals

2015-01-25 Thread John Heidemann
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:44:24 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 54c40d28.7050...@redbarn.org, Paul Vixie writes: Mark Andrews mailto:ma...@isc.org Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:29 PM In message 32707.1421975...@dash.isi.edu, John Heidemann writes: ... I'm confused. I thought we

Re: [DNSOP] Followup Discussion on TCP keepalive proposals

2015-01-22 Thread John Heidemann
[Warning to rubberneckers: seems like at least two topics here: about the spec and about TCP as a DoS.] On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:29:22 -0800, Paul Vixie wrote: # John Heidemann Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:53 PM On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 09:30:44 +, Ray Bellis wrote: I

Re: [DNSOP] Followup Discussion on TCP keepalive proposals

2015-01-21 Thread John Heidemann
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:58:32 -0500, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 4:53 PM, John Heidemann jo...@isi.edu wrote: I don't see how DoS is an argument against TCP for DNS. (Unless one assumes hardware and software at the servers is fixed to something like 2004 standards.) What

Re: [DNSOP] Followup Discussion on TCP keepalive proposals

2015-01-21 Thread John Heidemann
. (Unless one assumes hardware and software at the servers is fixed to something like 2004 standards.) What am I missing? -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] updated tech report about DNS-over-TCP and DNS-over-TLS

2014-07-14 Thread John Heidemann
In Feb. 2014, Zi Hu posted about a study about DNS performance over TCP and TLS. The context was a proposal to allow DNS to use TLS over TCP, described in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-01 We got a lot of input we got from the community (particularly those at OARC in

[DNSOP] deployment requirements for dns channel privacy [was: various approaches to dns channel secrecy]

2014-07-09 Thread John Heidemann
[I added dns-privacy to the cc list, since that seems like a relevant forum for this discussion.] On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:04:56 -0700, Paul Vixie wrote: Matthäus Wander wrote: ... I didn't mean to imply that a DTLS solution can be universally deployed. because the dns is a map to

Re: [DNSOP] draft-bortzmeyer-dnsop-dns-privacy (was: DNS privacy : now at least two drafts)

2014-05-19 Thread John Heidemann
to depend on if you're approaching the problem from the end-user or the providers point of view. The challenge is that (2) is both a client AND server, leading to inconsistency. Just a suggestion, -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP

Re: [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] DNS over DTLS (DNSoD)

2014-04-24 Thread John Heidemann
On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 11:32:12 -0400, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: ... For me the idea of putting TLS traffic over the same port as non TLS traffic without careful attention to how the upgrade is achieved would be 'butchering the protocol'. Changing the port number to one that is known to work is a

Re: [DNSOP] A new appoarch for identifying anycast name server instance

2011-09-27 Thread John Heidemann
for, or against :-) -John Heidemann ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop