Re: [DNSOP] new Questions...
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:48:21 -0700 From: Todd Glassey tglas...@earthlink.net Actually Dean - good point - the MOU was never codified in a formal contract meaning that the US Department of Commerce still formally owns the root's and so under this newly proposed cyber-control law would give the US President the legal authority to on a mere presidential order (especially a HSPD) or just a simple presidential directive can shut all - repeat ALL - of ARIN's and each of the root systems down since the US DoC still owns them. todd, please do not feed the trolls. the ietf saw fit to ban mr. anderson from this mailing list (and a few others) and he's now created his own mailing lists and added all of us to them so that he can continue posting, but that shouldn't mean i have to read his text when included by others in their replies, nor should we have threads hijacked in the ways that got mr. anderson banned in the first place. I wonder how many of the Internet-Mavens on this list have figured that out... every statement you made above is factually wrong. so, no. ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
Re: [DNSOP] new Questions...
Dean Anderson wrote: BTW, RFC2870 is not the authority on root server operations. The authority is found in the MoU with ICANN that root server operators are supposed to sign. Rumor has it that many root server operaters haven't signed the MoU, defying ICANN's authority over their operation. --Dean Actually Dean - good point - the MOU was never codified in a formal contract meaning that the US Department of Commerce still formally owns the root's and so under this newly proposed cyber-control law would give the US President the legal authority to on a mere presidential order (especially a HSPD) or just a simple presidential directive can shut all - repeat ALL - of ARIN's and each of the root systems down since the US DoC still owns them. I wonder how many of the Internet-Mavens on this list have figured that out... Todd Glassey On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Dean Anderson wrote: RFC2870 describes root server operational requirements. Unsurprisingly, I see you only received frivolous answers from the same group of people who don't want to have any accountability for root server operations. You might review the archives for discussion of RFC2870. A while back, they were trying to alter the charter to remove root server operations from the first item of the WG charter, in order to silence my attempts to discuss TCP Anycast issues on root servers. But ICANN/IANA/D.O.C. looks to the IETF and particularly the DNSOP WG for technical advice on root server operations. Of course, D.O.C. could find technical advice somewhere else. --Dean On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Todd Glassey wrote: Since the Internet is formally listed as a component of US Critical Infrastructure - I want to know the specific provisioning requirements for operating a root server. Anyone got a pointer to these? Todd Glassey ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2342 - Release Date: 09/02/09 18:03:00 ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
Re: [DNSOP] new Questions...
Dean Anderson wrote: Todd is right. While I rather doubt that the USG /would/ shut down the roots or ARIN (thats pretty extreme), I believe the objective of the bill is to make explicit and indisputable USG control over infrastructure. As I understand it, the objective of the bill is so that the USG indisputably /could/ shut down whatever they thought necessary, including as Todd correctly notes, ARIN and the roots. --Dean Actually this is really funny because Mike Rubin (NIST's general counsel) on the morning he was running off to congress to testify before the 9/11 commission on NIST's findings on the collapse of the WTC towers told me Todd I will be dead before I let NIST run the Internet. It was a response to me personally (i.e. over a phone) where I suggested that this specific piece of legislation was a couple of years out at most. Seems like I may have been more accurate than anyone wanted. Todd Glassey On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Todd Glassey wrote: Dean Anderson wrote: BTW, RFC2870 is not the authority on root server operations. The authority is found in the MoU with ICANN that root server operators are supposed to sign. Rumor has it that many root server operaters haven't signed the MoU, defying ICANN's authority over their operation. --Dean Actually Dean - good point - the MOU was never codified in a formal contract meaning that the US Department of Commerce still formally owns the root's and so under this newly proposed cyber-control law would give the US President the legal authority to on a mere presidential order (especially a HSPD) or just a simple presidential directive can shut all - repeat ALL - of ARIN's and each of the root systems down since the US DoC still owns them. I wonder how many of the Internet-Mavens on this list have figured that out... Todd Glassey On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Dean Anderson wrote: RFC2870 describes root server operational requirements. Unsurprisingly, I see you only received frivolous answers from the same group of people who don't want to have any accountability for root server operations. You might review the archives for discussion of RFC2870. A while back, they were trying to alter the charter to remove root server operations from the first item of the WG charter, in order to silence my attempts to discuss TCP Anycast issues on root servers. But ICANN/IANA/D.O.C. looks to the IETF and particularly the DNSOP WG for technical advice on root server operations. Of course, D.O.C. could find technical advice somewhere else. --Dean On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Todd Glassey wrote: Since the Internet is formally listed as a component of US Critical Infrastructure - I want to know the specific provisioning requirements for operating a root server. Anyone got a pointer to these? Todd Glassey ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2342 - Release Date: 09/02/09 18:03:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.76/2343 - Release Date: 09/03/09 05:50:00 ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
[DNSOP] new Questions...
Since the Internet is formally listed as a component of US Critical Infrastructure - I want to know the specific provisioning requirements for operating a root server. Anyone got a pointer to these? Todd Glassey ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
