Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Dave Pawson
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:35:42 +0200 Jirka Kosek ji...@kosek.cz wrote: Dave Pawson wrote: I'm curious why you are so anti? I'm not anti, I'm trying to be pragmatic. And I don't see what advantages can bring HTML5 output generated from DocBook to end users. Would you argue against all

Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Dave Pawson
On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 11:35:13 -0700 Bob Stayton b...@sagehill.net wrote: When I go to the W3C website, I see that HTML5 is only in the stage of W3C Working Draft as of 24 June 2010. If we are going to implement support for HTML5, it should be on an experimental level, no? Bob Stayton

Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Jirka Kosek
Dave Pawson wrote: These elements are not supported in IE6/7 and they can't be CSS styled there without using supplement Javascript library. That doesn't make sense to me Jirka. They are elements, CSS can be used, why not? If the fallback does no harm in ancient browsers, whats the

RE: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Peter Ring
IMHO, XHTML+RDFa is much more useful target. In many scenarios, the DocBook XSLT stylesheet is not the last step in the pipeline; i.e. the output is not consumed by a web browser (at least not immediately). Further processing is easier if structural and semantic markup is preserved (neither

Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Larry Garfield
On Monday, August 16, 2010 01:59:44 am Jirka Kosek wrote: Larry Garfield wrote: These elements are not supported in IE6/7 and they can't be CSS styled there without using supplement Javascript library. So? That doesn't mean they are valueless. There's nothing wrong with using those

Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Keith Fahlgren
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Dave Pawson da...@dpawson.co.uk wrote: Anyway those elements doesn't bring any new user experience. But they do bring better semantics? I think the rejection of a DocBook-XSL patch adding a distinct HTML5 output (perhaps in the

Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Jirka Kosek
Larry Garfield wrote: div class=nav then nav + some funky Javascript But nav without needing JS is better still. So for those producers that choose to use it, their HTML5-supporting users will get a superior experience Superior experience from nav? Could you elaborate please? So

Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Jirka Kosek
Keith Fahlgren wrote: On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:58 PM, Dave Pawson da...@dpawson.co.uk wrote: Anyway those elements doesn't bring any new user experience. But they do bring better semantics? I think the rejection of a DocBook-XSL patch adding a distinct HTML5 output (perhaps in the

Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Dave Pawson
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:00:06 +0200 Jirka Kosek ji...@kosek.cz wrote: unctionality there is no reason for switching to HTML5. Better SEO through more semantic markup seems like a perfectly good bit of functionality to me. ROTFL More seriously, are you aware of any search engine which

Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Dave Pawson
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:10:51 +0200 Jirka Kosek ji...@kosek.cz wrote: What's real advantage of using: article + above show funky Javascript over completely static and proven: div class=article ? To my knowledge there is no single real advantage OK, you've made your point Jirka.

RE: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread rob.cavicchio
Larry Garfield [mailto:la...@garfieldtech.com] wrote: That varies widely depending on your market. The main site I use DocBook for is 50% Firefox users and less than 2% IE 6; A few months ago I officially announced that our software doesn't care about IE 6 any more, and I'm not really going

[docbook-apps] Call for book chapters. Book title: Mobile Ad hoc Networks: Current Status and Future Trends

2010-08-16 Thread Jaime Lloret Mauri
Call for book chapters Book title: Mobile Ad hoc Networks: Current Status and Future Trends Mobile Ad hoc Network (MANET) consists of a large number of mobile nodes with processing and wireless transmission capability. MANETs are decentralized having dynamic topology. The major issues in

Re: [docbook-apps] TOC position in the document

2010-08-16 Thread Bob Stayton
Hi, To change the order in a book, you would need to customize the template in fo/division.xsl in the DocBook stylesheets that starts with: xsl:template match=book This is the line in that template that generates the TOC: xsl:call-template name=make.book.tocs/ So put code to process your

Re: [docbook-apps] Re: html 5, as a target

2010-08-16 Thread Larry Garfield
On Monday, August 16, 2010 10:25:24 am rob.cavicc...@emc.com wrote: The HTML5 specification isn't scheduled to become a recommendation until 2022. That's something of a red herring. By W3C rules it can't become a recommendation until at least 2 complete implementations exist in the wild.