Re: [libreoffice-documentation] graphics for Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0
Everybody, I know perfectly well how to make screen shots in Windows. I was avoiding doing that because of the following statement, on p. 14 of Ch. 2 of the Contributors' Guide, Producing LibreOffice User Guides: / //Avoid making screen captures from Windows; use them only as a last resort, or as a first draft. First choice for screen captures is Ubuntu or another Linux distribution./ If we're sure that John's solution will get us off the hook legally, then I'll go ahead and do that. Best, Alan On 6/2/2015 9:53 AM, John Hart wrote: In windows take screen shot, crop out all the microsoft references, then save as a .png On 06/02/2015 10:39 AM, toki wrote: On 02/06/2015 11:26, Ruth Ann wrote: You can take screen shots with Windows. If memory serves me right, there is either a formal, or informal policy of not using screenshots from any Microsoft platform, because Microsoft claims that usage to infringe upon their copyright. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] graphics for Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0
Hello all, I need to update Figures 1 and 2 in Ch. 9 (the Math chapter) of GS v5.0. I'm running LO on Windows so I can't make my own screenshots. If someone who's using Linux could make shots of those two figures and send them to me, I can plug them in. The difference is that the floating dialog won't appear in the new figures. Don't worry; the dialog box has been removed entirely from v5.0, so you can't mess up. Thanks, Alan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
So how do we find out what's new in v5.0? Just start working through a chapter from the old guide using 5.0 to see if anything doesn't work the same way? On 5/27/2015 11:55 PM, Jean Weber wrote: As you probably know, the next version of LibreOffice (due out in late July) will be version 5.0. A Beta1 version is available; it is in dev-configuration and will install alongside your existing LibreOffice installation. (Beta2 is due out next week.) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.0#5.0.0_release https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.0 We really should publish at least the Getting Started Guide for v5.0 reasonably close to the time the program is released, don't you agree? The most recent GS book is for v4.2. I had put all the chapters into a new template in preparation for people to update content for v4.4; I did a trivial amount of updating on a few chapters; PeterS and I updated Chapter 9, but AFAIK nothing else ever got done. At this point we should skip GS v4.4 and try to do a book for v5.0. You could start with the chapters here (which are in the new template: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.4 Update them and return them to http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.0 And be sure to put your initials and the date in the relevant boxes on the Task List, so others know that you've checked out or returned a chapter. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Getting_Started_Guide If you need some guidance, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#First_steps_with_the_Documentation_team And if you'd like to take over the role of leader, coordinator, herder of cats for Documentation, *please* do so. --Jean Weber -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Efforts to Clean Wiki
How much disk space would it take? On 5/10/2015 6:47 PM, Joel Madero wrote: That's fine - others have volunteered. On 05/10/2015 02:24 PM, jonathon wrote: On 04/05/15 02:00, Joel Madero wrote: Sounds good - interested in helping to coordinate that After thinking about this for a week or so. I don't know what the capabilities of the CMS that the wiki uses. If a notice-template that automatically places the page into a specific category can be created, then one for each category (Duplicate page, badly written, outdated, conflicts with, good but not current, good and current, any other categories needed to clean up pages), be made. I can walk through the wiki, placing the appropriate notice-template on the talk page. Then the easy hack for somebody starting out with documentation is ready. I don't have the disk space to pull the entire wiki onto my laptop, and throw my tools at it, to determine which pages fall into which categories. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] guide for scholars
This sounds like a good candidate for OmegaT. On 3/5/2015 5:46 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Nicely done! Any chance adding it to the list of 3rd party resources on the documentation wiki? Even though it is in Dutch it might be good to have on the English wiki with just a note to say it is in Dutch? I'm not sure but it sounds like you have done a good thing there! :))) Regards from Tom :) On 5 March 2015 at 07:56, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi, Recently I finished a guide/handbook for scholars: make your most beautiful report with LibreOffice Writer - but then in Dutch. Targeted at 13-16 years that need to write a nice, good report for some school work. I'll make a simplified version for say 9-11 years. Will start to promote it soon. Any advise on how /where to fly to make this available in English too? Cheers, Cor -- Cor Nouws GPD key ID: 0xB13480A6 - 591A 30A7 36A0 CE3C 3D28 A038 E49D 7365 B134 80A6 - vrijwilliger http://nl.libreoffice.org - volunteer http://www.libreoffice.org - The Document Foundation Membership Committee Member -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] tracking who is working on which chapters
I believe the page you're talking about is at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks. On 1/21/2015 8:27 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) There used to be a wiki-page for signing-out and signing-in chapters being worked on so that; * people could track what stage chapters had reached and also to * help avoid 2 (or more) people attempting to work on a same chapter at the same time. Does anyone know how to get to it? or even whether it still exists or not? I think ODFauthors already has such a feature built-in so maybe it was an annoying duplication? Some people seemed to find it difficult to find and those who found it seemed to have trouble editing it so i can easily understand why it might have been taken down but i'm hoping that it still exists and that it's just me that lost track of where it is. Regards from Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation]
What it says is I'm putting myself in contact with you. The verb /pongo/ means I am putting but can also mean I am wearing, so that part's understandable. But the pcs. part has me puzzled. Uds. is a standard abbreviation for /ustedes/ (polite 2nd person plural pronoun.) Anybody have any guesses? Alan On 11/5/2014 3:08 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 :)) I think it proves the point about MTs! ;) I've never seen anyone wearing a desktop computer! With watches and glasses and things that are appearing nowadays i'm not sure how bad things would get if i took what the MT gave and tried to make sense of it. Humans are definitely an important part of the process - we make mistakes too but probably less bizarre or misleading (nor so frequently). Regards from Tom :) 2014-11-05 8:00 GMT+00:00 Sveinn í Felli s...@fellsnet.is: Þann mið 5.nóv 2014 00:24, skrifaði Tom Davies: snip / Hello, I wear contact pcs. ... Quite entertaining translation ;-) I think he should be directed to http://es.libreoffice.org/ recibe-ayuda/documentacion/ or maybe just http://es.libreoffice.org for information in Spanish. Sveinn í Felli -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation]
Sr. Biela Fernandez, Aqui es el enlace a la pagina de documentacion española para el paquete LibreOffice: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/es Parece que actualmente solo existe el /Guia de primeros pasos/, que pertenece al todo el paquete LibreOffice. Las guías detalladas para los componentes individuales todavía no se han traducido. Espero que esto sea de alguna ayuda a su organización. Alan Cook Voluntario del equipo de documentaciones LibreOffice On 11/4/2014 6:06 AM, Biela Fernández, Alberto wrote: Buenos días, me pongo en contacto con uds. Para saber si existen algún enlace a tutoriales oficiales en español para poder descargarlos. Las aulas Municipales para mayores de 65 años , propias del ayuntamiento de Madrid incluyen el paquete libreoffice y nos gustaría poder aportar a los usuarios, acceso a tutoriales sobre el suit. Muchas gracias por su información Alberto Biela Fernandez Trabajador Social Seccion Centros Municipales de Mayores Ayuntamiento de Madrid 915883205 biel...@madrid.es Antes de imprimir este e-mail piense bien si es necesario hacerlo. El medioambiente es cosa de todos. La posible información que pudiera contener este comunicado, relacionada con datos de carácter personal, se encuentra amparada en la LOPD 15/99, que compromete a no utilizar estos datos para fines que no sean estrictamente necesarios para la realización de su cometido, añadiendo además la absoluta confidencialidad y exclusividad, quedando prohibida a cualquier persona su revelación, copia, distribución o el ejercicio de cualquier acción relativa a su contenido. Si recibe este correo electrónico erróneamente ruego nos lo reenvíe y lo elimine de todos sus archivos. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook Preface updated
Jean, I notice that you uploaded this to the Edited folder. Can we assume that anything in this folder is ready for proofreading and does not require extensive review or editing? That's a correct assumption in the case of the Preface, and also Chapter 1, Introduction to Base, but (IMO) not with regard to any of the other chapters in the Handbook v. 4.2. I just want to make sure that we're all using the ODFAuthors files in the same way to keep track of what's been done and what needs doing. Best, Alan On 9/24/2014 12:35 AM, Jean Weber wrote: I have updated the Preface to the Base Handbook to remove or replace out of date information on the Copyright page and in the text of the chapter. I have put it in this folder: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/edited42 I plan to go through the other drafts and update the Copyright pages. I may also do some other editing, or I may not. I'll keep you informed. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Translating Base Handbook usin OmegaT
Thanks, everyone, for your input. I think it's best that I continue doing what I'm doing for the 4.2 iteration of the Handbook, since the actual translating is 99% complete. We should definitely look into using OmegaT for future versions, and can start doing that before 4.4 is complete. Alan On 9/10/2014 5:32 AM, Sophie wrote: Hi Tom, Le 10/09/2014 12:02, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) It sounds like Alan has developed a good work-flow for what he is doing. Experimenting with a different system might be useful for updating the Base Handbook to the 4.4.x branch when that comes out in a few months time. There is a lot else for the team to do and limited resources to do them. I was not speaking about the Base book, but about documentations in general. On the other hand if experimenting with it shows it makes things really quickeasy then maybe there could be a 4.3.x before the end-of-life of the 4.3.x branch! Are you willing to help? There is the danger that trying to do too much could easily result in nothing getting done so i tend to think it is probably better for Alan to keep using the work-flow he has developed to complete the 4.2.x = but it's not up to me and not my decision. I've never seen danger in adopting tools that help to save time and resources. And yes, it's Alan decision to work with the tool he choses, so nothing to say here, however Milos work is a very interesting alternative that we should explore and document. Kind regards Sophie -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers
Hello Tom T., Welcome to the team! I'm a volunteer (at the moment, the only one, it seems) working on updating the Base Handbook. I'd like to supplement the information that Tom D. has provided you with and let you know how you might start out getting involved with the project. As Tom indicated, the Base Guide and the Base Handbook are two different documents, which is confusing. Base is the only LO product for which this is the case; for all the other products, the user manual is just called the Guide. However, there is not now, nor has there ever been, a complete Base Guide; all there is is the drafts of three chapters. The reason that there's both a Guide and a Handbook is that the German documentation team got tired of waiting around for the English team to finish the Base Guide, so they took the draft chapters, translated them, finished the book, and published it as the Base-Handbuch. That document was then translated back into English as the Base Handbook. Contrary to what Tom D. indicated, the Handbook is /not/ shorter or less thorough than the Guide. Each is intended to be a complete and comprehensive user manual; the difference is that the Handbook is finished (although not up-to-date in English.) The current German version of the Handbook has 448 pages in 11 chapters; the plan for the Guide includes 10 chapters, of which only 3 are complete. The current English Handbook is for version 3.5 of the product. The most recent German Handbuch is for version 4.2. What I'm doing right now is updating the English Handbook from the more up-to-date German version. Someone else has done the translating; I'm basically just cutting-and-pasting (although I am finding that I have to do a fair amount of translating and editing work as I run across things that don't make sense.) Here's one task we need done right away. The screen captures in the German manual are, as one would respect, from the German version of the app, and are in German. We need someone to work through the procedures described in the Handbook using the English version of the product and capture the needed screenshots in English. Moreover, this needs to be done by someone who's running Base on Linux. For reasons I don't understand, screen captures don't always work correctly when done using Windows, and Windows is what I'm running. If this is something you'd be willing to do, respond to this e-mail and I'll send you more details on how to get started. Best, Alan C. On 9/9/2014 6:21 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think the immediate one to work on is the Base Handbook rather than the full guide. I agree that reading the single chapter in the Getting Started Guide might help prepare you for Base. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications The first book there has a chapter to introduce each of the modules/programs/apps within LibreOffice. The Base Handbook is much shorter than the full guide so it might not go into as much depth as you'd like but it is good to get a broad overview before getting tooo bogged down in too many of the intricacies. Also it is currently being updated quite significantly so it'd be great to do proof-reading for the chapters as they get completed. It is the Handbook that is in most need of proof-reading at the moment. If you manage to catch up with the translation-update then going on to the full guide would help gain a much deeper understanding. The full guide is more of a longer-term project and is being written from scratch by Dan Lewis. Errr, this guide might help you work with the published guides; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development Hopefully someone might register you at ODFAuthors while you are reading through that. Many thanks and regards from Tom :) On 8 September 2014 15:41, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hey Tom, Well there really is no consideration per say. If you want to help, we'd love to have you assisting! That being said - I'm not terribly familiar with where to begin in documentation. Perhaps someone else could give the first steps and get you started. Thanks for offering to volunteer. Best, Joel On 09/07/2014 09:41 AM, Thomas Taylor wrote: I would be interested in assisting with the documentation for base, primarily the proofreading. I don't currently use base (or any database) and feel that this would help me to also understand the concepts and utilization of this portion of LibreOffice. I use both Linux and Windows although primarily Linux. I have been a moderator for the LO mail-list for about a year and wish to contribute more. I am a retired engineering technician (electro-mechanical) and have been involved in producing user documentation and technical manuals for the medical and automotive fields. Thanks for your consideration, Tom Taylor -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook Chapter 3
Tom, Yes, Hazel has already done the 4.2 translations. The newly translated material is posted on the ODF site, and has been for months. The new material in each chapter is in a separate file (one per chapter). That new material hasn't been integrated into the existing (3.5) English version. That's what I'm doing now. It can be time-consuming on some of the longer chapters because we're updating over 3 version changes (3.5 -- 4.0 -- 4.1 -- 4.2) and sometimes things have shifted around quite a bit. Also, there are a few passages in the German (usually a sentence or two) that Hazel missed (very easy to do on a project like this.) I'm translating those myself. Also, find some passage where the English translation (both the new stuff and the earlier document) seems to me to be overliteral. I would have a difficult time understanding what was going on if I were a user. So I'm rewriting those and checking them against the app for accuracy and ease of understanding. Nothing has been done yet with regard to the German 4.3. The plan was and still is to get English 4.2 out first. That's what I'm working on. Best, Alan On 9/5/2014 11:58 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Does the 4.2 need re-translating again? I thought Hazel had already done the translations? Does anyone know where she might have put the work she did? Does anyone here know their way around ODFAuthors well enough that they can help Alan avoid having to re-do work that has already been done? Alan, until someone helps you find Hazel's work it might be more useful to work on something else. Apparently a new chapter was added to the German 4.3 Base Handbook and translating that might be more useful than re-doing work that has already been done. If the work has not been done or can't be found then having that chapter would be even more useful to have done. Many apols and regards from Tom :) On 4 September 2014 23:54, Alan Cook alanc...@gmail.com mailto:alanc...@gmail.com wrote: I've uploaded Chapter 3 of the Base Handbook v. 4.2 to http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/drafts_4.2/bh4-2-ch3-tables/view. As with the previous chapter, it needs to be edited for consistency of style and checked carefully against the app for accuracy. Also, it needs English screen captures to replace some of the German ones. These should be done on a Linux (preferable) or Mac installation. Alan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:documentation%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook Chs. 4 and 5 ready for review
Same deal as with the earlier chapters. They're at http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/drafts_4.2. Alan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] problem w/Base Handbook
Hello all, The immediate solution I've adopted is to reference /both/ GS w/Base /and/ the online tutorial in the problematic passage in the Handbook. I will post that chapter for review shortly. As for the long-term issue, there may or may not be one. The question is whether or not we want to keep the English and German documentation in sync, and also if we want to avoid duplication of content in the English documentation. We're dealing here with 4 documents: (1)Getting Started with Base, Chapter 8 in Getting Started with Libreoffice v.3.5 (2)Einfuehrung in Base, Kapitel 8 in Erste Schritte v.3.3 (3)Creating a Relational Database using Base (online tutorial) (4)Getting Started with Base in GS w/LO v.4.2 Items (1),(2), and (3) are all versions of each other; item (4) is substantially different. Apparently the way this happened is that an early version of GSw/B got translated into German as Einfuehrung in Base. That German chapter has stayed the same. When GSw/LO was updated from v.4.1 to v.4.2, the bulk of GSw/B was pulled out and made into an online tutorial, and new material was written and inserted as Chapter 8 of the print guide. The new material contains much more detailed information about how to use the Wizard to create tables than is in the material moved online. Although the online material (item 3) is called a tutorial, the current version of Chapter 8 (GSw/B 4.2) actually seems to me to be more tutorial-like; the steps it offers are more detailed and it includes practice exercises. If we want to keep the English and the German matching each other, the way to do it would be: -- take the current English online tutorial Creating a relational database -- restructure it to resemble the Einfuehrung (this wouldn't require much if any original writing, just moving some things around) -- insert the restructured document into Getting Started with LibreOffice as Chapter 8. We'd then have to decide what to do with the /current/ version of GSw/B (the one that would be getting replaced). One possibility would be to integrate it into the new version. The topics are similar, but integrating it would require a lot of editing. I don't feel qualified to make a decision on how to proceed. Since Jean was involved in writing GSw/B 4.2 and presumably knows how and why the decision was made to branch the tutorial off from the print guide, perhaps we should wait until she's back and get her input. (Hope that wasn't too confusing. It sure confuses me.) Alan On 8/30/2014 10:45 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Jean, Robert, does the previous English GS chapter, which is now available as a tutorial, cover the missing info? If so, Alan can just change the references from GS to the tutorial. Or we could include that tutorial in the Handbook as an Appendix; that would work too, perhaps better than sending people to a separate document. But either of those solutions depends on whether the tutorial covers the necessary info. Have downloaded http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/13/GS40-GettingStartedLO.pdf. The Base-chapter is the content, which would be missed in the Base-handbook (for example: Creating tables in Design View). So a link to Chapter 8 - Getting started with Base would work also for Base-Handbook 4.2. I will find a better solution in the next Base-Handbuch by copying the missed parts of the German Getting started ... into the chapters of the Base-Handbuch. Haven't seen the Base-Handbuch as a standalone-book. Thought it was a continuation of Getting started. Robert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook Chapter 3
I've uploaded Chapter 3 of the Base Handbook v. 4.2 to http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-handbook/drafts_4.2/bh4-2-ch3-tables/view. As with the previous chapter, it needs to be edited for consistency of style and checked carefully against the app for accuracy. Also, it needs English screen captures to replace some of the German ones. These should be done on a Linux (preferable) or Mac installation. Alan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] problem w/Base Handbook
Whew! I'm afraid it's going to take me a little while to process this whole discussion. Thanks, everyone, for your input. Alan On 8/30/2014 10:45 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Jean, Robert, does the previous English GS chapter, which is now available as a tutorial, cover the missing info? If so, Alan can just change the references from GS to the tutorial. Or we could include that tutorial in the Handbook as an Appendix; that would work too, perhaps better than sending people to a separate document. But either of those solutions depends on whether the tutorial covers the necessary info. Have downloaded http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/13/GS40-GettingStartedLO.pdf. The Base-chapter is the content, which would be missed in the Base-handbook (for example: Creating tables in Design View). So a link to Chapter 8 - Getting started with Base would work also for Base-Handbook 4.2. I will find a better solution in the next Base-Handbuch by copying the missed parts of the German Getting started ... into the chapters of the Base-Handbuch. Haven't seen the Base-Handbuch as a standalone-book. Thought it was a continuation of Getting started. Robert -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] problem w/Base Handbook
Hello all, I'm updating the English translation of the Base Handbook from 3.5 to 4.2, and have run across a problem concerning which I'd appreciate some advice and feedback. In Chapter 3, Tables, the section following the heading *Creating Tables/Creation using the GUI* begins as follows: Database creation using the GUI is described in detail in Chapter 8, Getting Started with Base, in the /Getting Started with LibreOffice/ book. Therefore only the main sources of error are described here. The problem is that [the first sentence of] that statement is just plain false. The GUI offers two ways of creating tables: Use Wizard to Create Table and Create Table in Design View. The /Getting Started/ chapter only provides instructions for using the Wizard. The Wizard only provides database templates with preexisting table and field names. If you want to design a database for any purpose other than the ones that the templates cover, it's useless. So far as I can tell, there are no instructions provided anywhere in our documentation on how to create a table in Design View, which seems to me to be the method that most users are likely to use. (I could well be wrong about this, but if those instructions exist, they aren't located in the most logical place to look for them.) Moreover, the /Getting Started/ chapter explains only how to create a flat, single-table database. (I'm not sure why you'd want to do that rather than just use a spreadsheet, but . . . .) The material in the handbook, on the other hand, assumes that you're building a relational database with multiple tables. The reason I can't just ignore the problem is and go on is: The section that follows this introduction contains some new material in the German that needs to be translated. Translated super-literally, it doesn't make much sense. Good technical instructions are directed at the particular situation in which the user is going to need those instructions and tailored to the user's preexisting knowledge. That context is exactly what the current text doesn't provide, and what I need in order to put this stuff into comprehensible English. Any and all advice appreciated. Thanks, Alan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] managing expectations and being realistic
Hello all, I started integrating Hazel's translations of the German Base 4.2 Handbook into the English 3.5 about a week ago. Chapter 2 is just about ready to go; realistically, about a chapter a week is the rate at which I can work on this(but see below.) I think it'd be worthwhile for me to keep working on that, even though the German 4.3 handbook is out now. The changes are cumulative, and text rarely gets deleted, so everything that's in 4.2 is probably going to be in 4.3. (I can do a quick comparison of the German 4.2 and 4.3 to confirm that.) As I said, about a chapter a week is what I can do, and even that's optimistic. But if the team really wants to make a push to get all the manuals updated to the current version, I can rearrange some commitments and make this more of a priority. Let me know. Alan On Tue, 8/19/14, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] managing expectations and being realistic To: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Cc: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 8:33 AM Hi :) If/when new people join the group how do they know what to start on? What do we tell them? If we could say that a specific guide is next in line to be updated then they could just start on that straight-away, or they could then say that they would prefer to work on something else. At the moment people just stand around waiting for them to guess what might be good. Also it might be easier to recruit new people for the team by saying that some specific guide needs work. Regards from Tom :) On 19 August 2014 13:10, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: Having a policy is all very well, but really it's up to the people who do the work. For example, if no one will do the Calc Guide, it doesn't get done. No policy will change that. This is why some guides were updated to 4.0, but others not until 4.1: no one available to do them. For now, Writer Guide 4.2 will be finished; Draw Guide will be done for 4.3; GS will skip 4.3 and go to 4.4 unless someone commits to an update sooner. The others: who knows? Will someone do Calc or Math? --Jean On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) This team consistently does far more work than most other Documentation Teams i've seen in almost any other project. MS Office only manages 1 set in 3-4 years. Looking down the list of Published Guides we can see that all guides (apart from 2) have had at least 1 completed version in the 4.x.x line. GS has had 2. Writer is over half-way through it's 2nd. It's only the Base Handbook that hasn't had any and frankly i'm impressed that there is one at all. It would be nice to get a new one but it might be better to skip several branches and get the one that covers the newer back-end. It seems a good policy to deliberately skip at least 1 branch, maybe 2. Lets say each Guide can skip 2 branches quite comfortably. That way there is under half the guides to do each time. That seems a much more realistic goal to me and means you can feel justifiably chuffed with the amazing amount of work that you do rather than feeling bad about not having achieved unrealistic targets. So lets say that since the Draw Guide already has a 4.1.x branch done and dusted that it does not need a 4.2.x and probably not a 4.3.x either. Any changes or additional functionality can be pieced together by users if they can't figure it out. The existing Guide gives plenty of help for people to understand how Draw works so people should be able to figure out how other functionality fits in and what the over-all ways of thinking are. The Math Guide's latest was the 4.0.x so that could probably use a 4.3.x. It might be really good to finish off the Writer's 4.2.x since it's over halfway done already. Or would it be easier to move straight to a 4.3.x? or just leave it as is and leave it until the 4.4.x and then try to do a complete guide for that branch? If we do decide to set a policy of skipping every other branch then skipping the GS makes a lot of sense. Do we really need a 4.3.x for the GS? I think most people are going to find that the existing 4.2.x GS Guide is more than enough. If we set a policy then new people can be guided to work on Guides that fit into that policy. Obviously if they have strong reasons for going outside policy then they can try that and it would be very positive but many people starting here want to be given tasks so that they can become familiar with the process and feel like part of a team. If we decide to set a policy of skipping every
[libreoffice-documentation] French FAQs?
Hello. I've just signed up as a documentation volunteer. I notice that on the FAQ page there's a note about needing help with translating the questions from French, but when I compare the French and English pages it looks like everything's already been translated. Is there anything else that needs to be translated? If so, I'd be glad to do it. Alan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
