Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
On the LGPL License page actually: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/license/ On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Robert Marshall > wrote: >> What do other open source foundations use for their front cover >> artwork? > > good question > >> Or is this a brand new change to the requirements? > > There are various licensing-related discussions available online, for example: > https://kdp.amazon.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=597677 > >> The actual license for LIbreOffice says "Copyright © 2007 Free >> Software Foundation, Inc." > > Where are you seeing that copyright message? > > Our licensing page provides the text of the LGPLv3 license: > https://www.libreoffice.org/download/license/ > > The FSF does hold copyright on the *text* of the LGPLv3 license, but > not (necessarily) on anything created and placed under the LGPL. > > Cheers, > --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Robert Marshall wrote: > What do other open source foundations use for their front cover > artwork? good question > Or is this a brand new change to the requirements? There are various licensing-related discussions available online, for example: https://kdp.amazon.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=597677 > The actual license for LIbreOffice says "Copyright © 2007 Free > Software Foundation, Inc." Where are you seeing that copyright message? Our licensing page provides the text of the LGPLv3 license: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/license/ The FSF does hold copyright on the *text* of the LGPLv3 license, but not (necessarily) on anything created and placed under the LGPL. Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > On 01/26/2014 07:15 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: >> >> Couple of points: 1) I don't believe the "LibreOffice Documentation Team" >> is a legal entity, so I'm not sure that it can hold copyright (at least not >> in the US). 2) In general, I believe TDF/LibreOffice does not request >> copyright assignment, so copyright in contributions to code, wiki pages, >> documentation, etc.. is all held by the individual contributors, or the >> company/organization for which they work, if it is a work-for-hire. Here's >> the text we use in the 'About' box in LibreOffice: "This release was >> supplied by The Document Foundation. Copyright (c) 2000 - 2014 LibreOffice >> contributors." Thanks, --R > > > If you choose to be pedantic, I expect that "LibreOffice contributors" is > also not a legal entity, true > but it is probably closer to the truth as to who > owns the copyright :-) When I read the info box, I see "LibreOffice contributors" as a group of people, not a single/formal entity (e.g. "LibreOffice Contributors"), similar to "the Open Document Format" vs. "an open document format". > I also do not know how important it is that the front cover and meta-data > directly reference a legal entity, especially if the truth of the matter is > that the individual contributors hold the copyright for their own > contributions. Good point. I think it would be fine to put something like "LibreOffice Documentation Team, et al." on the front cover (with a longer explanation inside), but because copyright is held by individuals, an explicit implication of copyright such as "(c) 2014 LibreOffice Documentation Team" or "(c) 2014 TDF" seems misleading. Best, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
What do other open source foundations use for their front cover artwork? Or is this a brand new change to the requirements? The actual license for LIbreOffice says "Copyright © 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc." Not understanding the innerworkings of the documentation team's relationship to the corporation, wouldn't it make more sense that the actual entity listed on the cover would be the "Free Software Foundation, Inc." rather than the documentation team? Anyways, just some thoughts since you were asking for input. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > As I mentioned in an earlier note, I have been looking into getting > our user guides sold through Amazon > and other venues, now that Lulu is not charging a fee for this. > > In order for our books to qualify, some minor changes are required to > the files sent to Lulu. These changes do not need to be made to PDFs > we distribute ourselves, but I would recommend we make the changes > there too. > > For distribution through Amazon etc, the front cover of the book must > include the name of the author of the book, and that name must match > the name given in the copyright statement and in the metadata we > provide to Lulu. > > I have been listing "LibreOffice Documentation Team" as the author in > the metadata, and I propose to change the copyright statement in each > book to read: > > "This document is Copyright © 2014 by the LibreOffice Documentation > Team. Contributors are listed below. You may distribute or modify it > under the terms of either the GNU General Public License > (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or the > Creative Commons Attribution License > (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later." > > I, or Klaus-Jürgen or someone, need to add "LibreOffice Documentation > Team" to the front cover design for v4.2, at least for the cover > provided to Lulu. > > --Jean > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
First, and probably most important, I think that we should make the required changes and I am not really a stickler for how it must read, that seems to be a question for a "legal person" if needed. Recap: Jean: This document is Copyright © 2014 by the LibreOffice Documentation Team. On 01/26/2014 07:15 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: Couple of points: 1) I don't believe the "LibreOffice Documentation Team" is a legal entity, so I'm not sure that it can hold copyright (at least not in the US). 2) In general, I believe TDF/LibreOffice does not request copyright assignment, so copyright in contributions to code, wiki pages, documentation, etc.. is all held by the individual contributors, or the company/organization for which they work, if it is a work-for-hire. Here's the text we use in the 'About' box in LibreOffice: "This release was supplied by The Document Foundation. Copyright (c) 2000 - 2014 LibreOffice contributors." Thanks, --R If you choose to be pedantic, I expect that "LibreOffice contributors" is also not a legal entity, but it is probably closer to the truth as to who owns the copyright :-) I also do not know how important it is that the front cover and meta-data directly reference a legal entity, especially if the truth of the matter is that the individual contributors hold the copyright for their own contributions. I also don't expect the individual contributors to go after people that violate the copyright. I think that Sun (when they owned OOo) had copyright assigned to them (or something like that) so that they could enforce it. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Marina Latini wrote: > +1 Robinson. I think that the "LibreOffice Documentation Team" isn't a legal > entity. > > So, what about: > > "This document is Copyright © 2014 by The Document Foundation. > You may distribute or modify it under the terms of either the GNU General > Public License (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or > the Creative Commons Attribution License > (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later." > Hi Marina, Thanks for the suggestion! I'm still pretty sure that TDF doesn't hold copyright to these guides (and if they do, perhaps only to a small portion of the overall contributions), so implying that these works are solely "copyright TDF" would not meet our licensing obligations. Best, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
+1 Robinson. I think that the "LibreOffice Documentation Team" isn't a legal entity. So, what about: "This document is Copyright © 2014 by The Document Foundation. You may distribute or modify it under the terms of either the GNU General Public License (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later." my 2 cents! Have a nice day, Marina Marina Latini mar...@studiostorti.com Studio Storti Srl Viale Leonardo da Vinci, 18 36100 - Vicenza (VI) http://www.studiostorti.com - Messaggio originale - Da: "Robinson Tryon" A: "Jean Weber" Cc: Documentation@global.libreoffice.org Inviato: Domenica, 26 gennaio 2014 13:15:08 Oggetto: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > For distribution through Amazon etc, the front cover of the book must > include the name of the author of the book, and that name must match > the name given in the copyright statement and in the metadata we > provide to Lulu. Ok > I have been listing "LibreOffice Documentation Team" as the author in > the metadata, and I propose to change the copyright statement in each > book to read: > > "This document is Copyright © 2014 by the LibreOffice Documentation > Team. Contributors are listed below. You may distribute or modify it > under the terms of either the GNU General Public License > (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or the > Creative Commons Attribution License > (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later." Couple of points: 1) I don't believe the "LibreOffice Documentation Team" is a legal entity, so I'm not sure that it can hold copyright (at least not in the US). 2) In general, I believe TDF/LibreOffice does not request copyright assignment, so copyright in contributions to code, wiki pages, documentation, etc.. is all held by the individual contributors, or the company/organization for which they work, if it is a work-for-hire. Here's the text we use in the 'About' box in LibreOffice: "This release was supplied by The Document Foundation. Copyright (c) 2000 - 2014 LibreOffice contributors." Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
Hi Jean, all, short answer. Am 26.01.2014 00:28, schrieb Jean Weber: [...] I, or Klaus-Jürgen or someone, need to add "LibreOffice Documentation Team" to the front cover design for v4.2, at least for the cover provided to Lulu. As no one else except you and me have the original svg, I will do it. And I will present the actual proposal for the new 4.2 covers in the next few days. But this will be another thread. -- Grüße k-j Member of TheDocumentFoundation http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ http://de.libreoffice.org http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > For distribution through Amazon etc, the front cover of the book must > include the name of the author of the book, and that name must match > the name given in the copyright statement and in the metadata we > provide to Lulu. Ok > I have been listing "LibreOffice Documentation Team" as the author in > the metadata, and I propose to change the copyright statement in each > book to read: > > "This document is Copyright © 2014 by the LibreOffice Documentation > Team. Contributors are listed below. You may distribute or modify it > under the terms of either the GNU General Public License > (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or the > Creative Commons Attribution License > (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later." Couple of points: 1) I don't believe the "LibreOffice Documentation Team" is a legal entity, so I'm not sure that it can hold copyright (at least not in the US). 2) In general, I believe TDF/LibreOffice does not request copyright assignment, so copyright in contributions to code, wiki pages, documentation, etc.. is all held by the individual contributors, or the company/organization for which they work, if it is a work-for-hire. Here's the text we use in the 'About' box in LibreOffice: "This release was supplied by The Document Foundation. Copyright (c) 2000 - 2014 LibreOffice contributors." Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
Hi :) +1 from a lurker. I don't get a vote as i don't contribute to or do any work in the team itself, also i'm not a member of TDF. Also i'm not sure if this is a formal vote or if a "proposal" needs a "seconder" but if it is and if it does then i would if i could. Regards from Tom :) On 25 January 2014 23:28, Jean Weber wrote: > As I mentioned in an earlier note, I have been looking into getting > our user guides sold through Amazon > and other venues, now that Lulu is not charging a fee for this. > > In order for our books to qualify, some minor changes are required to > the files sent to Lulu. These changes do not need to be made to PDFs > we distribute ourselves, but I would recommend we make the changes > there too. > > For distribution through Amazon etc, the front cover of the book must > include the name of the author of the book, and that name must match > the name given in the copyright statement and in the metadata we > provide to Lulu. > > I have been listing "LibreOffice Documentation Team" as the author in > the metadata, and I propose to change the copyright statement in each > book to read: > > "This document is Copyright © 2014 by the LibreOffice Documentation > Team. Contributors are listed below. You may distribute or modify it > under the terms of either the GNU General Public License > (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or the > Creative Commons Attribution License > (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later." > > I, or Klaus-Jürgen or someone, need to add "LibreOffice Documentation > Team" to the front cover design for v4.2, at least for the cover > provided to Lulu. > > --Jean > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
It's not a formal vote. If someone has an objection to the proposed copyright wording change, for a good reason, we certainly need to discuss it and come to an agreement. --Jean On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > +1 > from a lurker. > > I don't get a vote as i don't contribute to or do any work in the team > itself, also i'm not a member of TDF. Also i'm not sure if this is a > formal vote or if a "proposal" needs a "seconder" but if it is and if > it does then i would if i could. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > On 25 January 2014 23:28, Jean Weber wrote: >> As I mentioned in an earlier note, I have been looking into getting >> our user guides sold through Amazon >> and other venues, now that Lulu is not charging a fee for this. >> >> In order for our books to qualify, some minor changes are required to >> the files sent to Lulu. These changes do not need to be made to PDFs >> we distribute ourselves, but I would recommend we make the changes >> there too. >> >> For distribution through Amazon etc, the front cover of the book must >> include the name of the author of the book, and that name must match >> the name given in the copyright statement and in the metadata we >> provide to Lulu. >> >> I have been listing "LibreOffice Documentation Team" as the author in >> the metadata, and I propose to change the copyright statement in each >> book to read: >> >> "This document is Copyright © 2014 by the LibreOffice Documentation >> Team. Contributors are listed below. You may distribute or modify it >> under the terms of either the GNU General Public License >> (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or the >> Creative Commons Attribution License >> (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later." >> >> I, or Klaus-Jürgen or someone, need to add "LibreOffice Documentation >> Team" to the front cover design for v4.2, at least for the cover >> provided to Lulu. >> >> --Jean >> -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
As I mentioned in an earlier note, I have been looking into getting our user guides sold through Amazon and other venues, now that Lulu is not charging a fee for this. In order for our books to qualify, some minor changes are required to the files sent to Lulu. These changes do not need to be made to PDFs we distribute ourselves, but I would recommend we make the changes there too. For distribution through Amazon etc, the front cover of the book must include the name of the author of the book, and that name must match the name given in the copyright statement and in the metadata we provide to Lulu. I have been listing "LibreOffice Documentation Team" as the author in the metadata, and I propose to change the copyright statement in each book to read: "This document is Copyright © 2014 by the LibreOffice Documentation Team. Contributors are listed below. You may distribute or modify it under the terms of either the GNU General Public License (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later." I, or Klaus-Jürgen or someone, need to add "LibreOffice Documentation Team" to the front cover design for v4.2, at least for the cover provided to Lulu. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
