Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: OSX version 10.9.1
Hi :) I thought i saw the guides in the Ubuntu Apps Store but i guess it's just my eyes playing tricks on me. Since they are not apps they couldn't possibly be in there right?? Regards from Tom :) On 17 January 2014 21:28, Jean Weber wrote: > Tom, > User guides are not apps. Several of our user guides are (or were) in > the iBooks store, because Lulu.com will put them there at no charge to > us. However, the rapidity of user guide production for updates to the > software, and the slowness of getting books into the iBooks store, > means it's not a very useful exercise nor one I pursue. > > --Jean > > > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> I guess the discussions mailing list and BoD are discussing all this. >> >> It might be interesting for some of us to go over there and find out >> how much it costs to get in, would each of the Guides be counted as a >> separate app? How much do other apps charge for their guides. etc. >> >> Regards from >> Tom :) > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: OSX version 10.9.1
Turning off the Mac's security is not the only way around the problem, at least not on Mavericks and I don't think on Mountain Lion either. If Italo's article (which I don't have time to look at right now to refresh my memory) doesn't cover the way I do it, then I should write a short how-to on the topic. I have two Macs running different versions of OS X. --Jean On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Alex Thurgood wrote: > Le 17/01/2014 14:06, Italo Vignoli a écrit : > > The point is that run of the mill OSX users do not want to be turning > off a security feature that the operating system provides for them. > > Telling people to turn off built-in security, install an app, and then > turn it back on again afterwards, is not the solution and will not > endear people to trying out LO, and/or keeping it. Oh wait, I forgot, > you have to turn it off again every time you do an update of LO or every > time you want to install a language pack, or else leave it off permanently. > > I find it hard to accept that we advise users to upgrade their versions > of LO in general when sec vulns get fixed whilst telling the OSX > population to turn off their own security mechanisms, seems somewhat > hypocritical to me. > > Of course, if you don't care, then you can leave the setting off by > default, but that is not what happens in default off the shelf sales of > Apple hard/software combinations and those are the people we are trying > to target. > > Of course, none of this will be sorted until such time as LibreOffice is > available in the AppleStore as a certified app, but that will not happen > soon, if at all, if my understanding of Apple's conditions for accepting > apps is correct. > > > Alex -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: OSX version 10.9.1
Tom, User guides are not apps. Several of our user guides are (or were) in the iBooks store, because Lulu.com will put them there at no charge to us. However, the rapidity of user guide production for updates to the software, and the slowness of getting books into the iBooks store, means it's not a very useful exercise nor one I pursue. --Jean On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > I guess the discussions mailing list and BoD are discussing all this. > > It might be interesting for some of us to go over there and find out > how much it costs to get in, would each of the Guides be counted as a > separate app? How much do other apps charge for their guides. etc. > > Regards from > Tom :) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: OSX version 10.9.1
Hi :) I agree but this "Gateway" thing is a recent development. LO is not the only app suffering from this problem and hopefully someone will find an answer to it at some stage = not necessarily a LibreOffice person. The current answer is just a work-around until a better answer can be made more permanent. At the moment you either pay money to Apple and thus get into their App Store (and thus get a green-light when people try to install) or they treat you with contempt, give your app the red-light and claim your app is unsafe. Hopefully some "orange light" scenario might be fought for and LO might fit in with that. Otherwise ALL apps are going to have to charge money (and set up some sort of tracking system or just charge every user every time and for every "upgrade" or "update")! Since all other OSes allow people to install apps for free i can't imagine Apple users staying happy with all this. Regards from Tom :) On 17 January 2014 16:36, Alex Thurgood wrote: > Le 17/01/2014 14:06, Italo Vignoli a écrit : > > The point is that run of the mill OSX users do not want to be turning > off a security feature that the operating system provides for them. > > Telling people to turn off built-in security, install an app, and then > turn it back on again afterwards, is not the solution and will not > endear people to trying out LO, and/or keeping it. Oh wait, I forgot, > you have to turn it off again every time you do an update of LO or every > time you want to install a language pack, or else leave it off permanently. > > I find it hard to accept that we advise users to upgrade their versions > of LO in general when sec vulns get fixed whilst telling the OSX > population to turn off their own security mechanisms, seems somewhat > hypocritical to me. > > Of course, if you don't care, then you can leave the setting off by > default, but that is not what happens in default off the shelf sales of > Apple hard/software combinations and those are the people we are trying > to target. > > Of course, none of this will be sorted until such time as LibreOffice is > available in the AppleStore as a certified app, but that will not happen > soon, if at all, if my understanding of Apple's conditions for accepting > apps is correct. > > > Alex > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: OSX version 10.9.1
Hi :) I guess the discussions mailing list and BoD are discussing all this. It might be interesting for some of us to go over there and find out how much it costs to get in, would each of the Guides be counted as a separate app? How much do other apps charge for their guides. etc. Regards from Tom :) On 17 January 2014 16:52, Italo Vignoli wrote: > On 17/01/14 17:36, Alex Thurgood wrote: > >> Of course, none of this will be sorted until such time as LibreOffice is >> available in the AppleStore as a certified app, but that will not happen >> soon, if at all, if my understanding of Apple's conditions for accepting >> apps is correct. > > LibreOffice should be able to get into the AppleStore in the future, > although I am not convinced at all of the advantages. I have worked as a > consultant for Apple for quite a few years, and I know what it means to > software houses (I have also worked for Macromedia and Adobe, when they > were both major Apple partners). > > -- > Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com > mob +39.348.5653829 - sip/jabber it...@libreoffice.org > skype italovignoli - hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: OSX version 10.9.1
On 17/01/14 17:36, Alex Thurgood wrote: > Of course, none of this will be sorted until such time as LibreOffice is > available in the AppleStore as a certified app, but that will not happen > soon, if at all, if my understanding of Apple's conditions for accepting > apps is correct. LibreOffice should be able to get into the AppleStore in the future, although I am not convinced at all of the advantages. I have worked as a consultant for Apple for quite a few years, and I know what it means to software houses (I have also worked for Macromedia and Adobe, when they were both major Apple partners). -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - sip/jabber it...@libreoffice.org skype italovignoli - hangout/jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
