[Dorset] Clive's Problem with /tmp/.X11-unix.

2010-09-06 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, Some of the feedback on the Ubuntu bugs I raised related to Clive's issue with the graphical login prompt, gdm, sometimes not starting have suggested some Ubuntu installations don't have a group called root defined. IOW, /etc/group doesn't contain a line similar to root:x:0: This

[Dorset] It's been a year in the pipeline.

2010-09-06 Thread Simon O'Riordan
But I've finally got off my butt and written it. Linux Security Camera is the name of the ftp directory I keep my linux version of the Vision Master security webcam suite in. The design is simple and it is easy to download and configure for use with a Linux platform. You WILL need to make sure

Re: [Dorset] Clive's Problem with /tmp/.X11-unix.

2010-09-06 Thread Bob Dunlop
On Mon, Sep 06 at 01:53, jr wrote: hi Ralph, ? ?$ ? ? awk -F: '$1 == root || $3 ~ /^0*$/ {print NR, $0}' /etc/group ? ?1 root:x:0: just wondering why the last field's empty (and doesn't contain user 'root')? man (5) group specifies: group_name:passwd:GID:user_list It's a common

Re: [Dorset] Clive's Problem with /tmp/.X11-unix.

2010-09-06 Thread jr
Bob, Ralph, The fact that a user's primary GID may or may not be in the supplementary group list is just one of those little pains you have to program around. If you enjoyed man (5) group you may also like to try man (7) credentials. interesting to see the differences between systems, man

[Dorset] Updating Software on Linux without rebooting

2010-09-06 Thread Terry Coles
Hi, I got into a conversation today at work about the need to reboot Windows machines after installing, uninstalling or updating software. My colleague said that he couldn't see how it could be done after I had said that the newer versions of Windows server do this. (A customer complained

Re: [Dorset] Updating Software on Linux without rebooting

2010-09-06 Thread Terry Coles
On Monday 06 Sep 2010, Robert Bronsdon wrote: On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:02:23 +0100, Terry Coles d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk wrote: Can anyone point me at a 101 standard tutorial or reference page which explains how running code gets overwritten in memory when Linux updates packages? I think

Re: [Dorset] Updating Software on Linux without rebooting

2010-09-06 Thread Robert Bronsdon
On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:27:44 +0100, Terry Coles d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk wrote: I can see how that can work for a desktop, because you will eventually shut the machine down, but AIUI, Apache can be updated on a running server without rebooting or restarting it and this has been a feature

Re: [Dorset] Clive's Problem with /tmp/.X11-unix.

2010-09-06 Thread Dan Dart
1 root:x:0:clive,root I thoughth normal users weren't allowed to be in the root group? I thought they usually go in wheel or admin (ubuntu) but only root if they need to access root's files that are setguid or chmod g+ -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 Meets, Mailing

Re: [Dorset] Updating Software on Linux without rebooting

2010-09-06 Thread Keith Edmunds
On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:24:42 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: That's as I understand it, but there is apparently a company out there somewhere that can patch a running kernel for Enterprise customers. Well, actually, anyone can do that for any customer, although I wouldn't recommend it.

Re: [Dorset] Updating Software on Linux without rebooting

2010-09-06 Thread Andrew R Paterson
On Monday 06 September 2010, Keith Edmunds wrote: On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:24:42 +0100, d-...@hadrian-way.co.uk said: That's as I understand it, but there is apparently a company out there somewhere that can patch a running kernel for Enterprise customers. Well, actually, anyone can do that

Re: [Dorset] Updating Software on Linux without rebooting

2010-09-06 Thread Simon O'Riordan
On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 20:17 +0100, Andrew R Paterson wrote: As for Windows - you must be joking! So we'll be seeing Bill Gates doing stand-up then? Simono -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to

Re: [Dorset] gcc cross compiling to m68k

2010-09-06 Thread Dan Dart
initial questions, if anyone on the list has experience using gcc as a cross-compiler. Yep - I use buildroot a lot. What's multilib and how does it fit in with newlib (which I gather I need to build for a different target)? Multilib is a feature of gcc that lets you compile for multiple

Re: [Dorset] Updating Software on Linux without rebooting

2010-09-06 Thread Dan Dart
. running code gets overwritten Not Firefox... yet... -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ How to Report Bugs Effectively: http://bit.ly/4sACa

Re: [Dorset] Clive's Problem with /tmp/.X11-unix.

2010-09-06 Thread jr
hi Ralph,    ralph:x:1000:1000:Ralph Corderoy,,,:/home/ralph:/bin/bash    ralph:x:1000: newgrp(1) will still let me change to group `ralph' even though I'm not explicitly listed in /etc/group. so what you're saying is that newgrp allows you to change group *to* the group that you're in

[Dorset] Blandford Forum Pub Meet Tonight, Tue 2010-09-07 20:00.

2010-09-06 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, T - 19-and-a-bit and counting. We're at Blandford Forum this evening, in the refined atmosphere of the Crown Hotel from 8pm onwards. http://dorset.lug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings:pub Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Blandford Forum, Tuesday 2010-09-07 20:00 Meets, Mailing list,

Re: [Dorset] gcc cross compiling to m68k

2010-09-06 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Tim, I'm trying to get started on evaluating gcc for generating m68k code for embedded targets. I'm using Debian 5.0 but can pull in more recent gcc source if required. I've spent a few hours Googlin' around and have some initial questions, if anyone on the list has experience using gcc