[Dorset] Meeting 4.10.16
An interesting evening. Final thoughts of the evening, Microsoft Google Amazon and apple need knocking down in size. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Restoring Grub on an EFI Machine
I downloaded this boot dvd the last time I had an issue with grub http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/ It scanned the disk found the two disk with the two distro on, offered me a solution and when I agreed it wrote me a new grub, worked perfectly. Don't know if it will work for your or not terry. Tim On 04/10/16 16:59, Terry Coles wrote: On Tuesday, 4 October 2016 16:18:20 BST Ralph Corderoy wrote: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#GRUB_vs_GRUB_2 says On a new installation of Ubuntu 9.10 or later with no other installed operating systems, GRUB 2 will boot directly to the login prompt or Desktop. No menu will be displayed. Hold down (right) SHIFT to display the menu during boot. In certain cases, pressing the ESC key may also display the menu. It also suggests in that list that /etc/grub.d/40_custom is where you should stash your own menu entries. And that `update-grub' looks for other OS. It looks like an interesting read, with links off to other pages. Unfortunately, none of that seems to work. When I first installed Kubuntu 16.04, a menu was generated, with choices between Ubuntu and Kubuntu. I didn't need to invoke it. Your link says that '*grub.cfg* is overwritten by certain Grub 2 package updates, whenever a kernel is added or removed, or when the user runs update-grub'. It seems to me that grub.cfg was updated at some point when I updated the kernel, but now it doesn't seem to be writing it to the right place, because no matter how I run it, the result is the same. If I run Super Grub2, I can see the bootable kernels and listing the menu seems to show that both distros are available, but whatever is being run when I boot normally, it isn't seeing that list. I suspect that if I re-install Kubuntu, it might all burst into life, but that's a bit drastic, so I might just wait until (K)ubuntu 16.10 is released next week. That will include kernel V 4.8 which brings several extras to the party which will (hopefully) enable some more of my touch-screen features. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Bournemouth Pub Meeting Tonight, Tuesday 2016-10-04.
My annual visit to a lug meeting (just to prove I do exist :) ) will have to go unfulfilled this month unless you are all up for a good dose of man flu? Have fun without me Regards Tim On 04/10/16 13:12, Natalie Masse Hooper wrote: I was planning to come, but Jemma appears to be developing a migraine today so it looks like I'll be on babysitting duties tonight... On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi, It's the pub meet tonight at The Broadway, 8pm-ish. For those that haven't been before look out for a flip of laptops or Terry's stuffed penguin. http://dorset.lug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings%3Apub http://dorset.lug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=members#terry_coles We are often to the far left of the bar in the corner, near a mains socket. But it isn't reserved for us so we're sometimes to be hunted down elsewhere; often, in the pub's "snug", a small room off the right end of the bar. We like corners. See you there. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
[Dorset] Pub meeting
My girlfriend will be tagging along who's also a Linux noob. > -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Restoring Grub on an EFI Machine
On Tuesday, 4 October 2016 16:18:20 BST Ralph Corderoy wrote: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#GRUB_vs_GRUB_2 says > > On a new installation of Ubuntu 9.10 or later with no other > installed operating systems, GRUB 2 will boot directly to the login > prompt or Desktop. No menu will be displayed. > > Hold down (right) SHIFT to display the menu during boot. In certain > cases, pressing the ESC key may also display the menu. > > It also suggests in that list that /etc/grub.d/40_custom is where you > should stash your own menu entries. And that `update-grub' looks for > other OS. It looks like an interesting read, with links off to other > pages. Unfortunately, none of that seems to work. When I first installed Kubuntu 16.04, a menu was generated, with choices between Ubuntu and Kubuntu. I didn't need to invoke it. Your link says that '*grub.cfg* is overwritten by certain Grub 2 package updates, whenever a kernel is added or removed, or when the user runs update-grub'. It seems to me that grub.cfg was updated at some point when I updated the kernel, but now it doesn't seem to be writing it to the right place, because no matter how I run it, the result is the same. If I run Super Grub2, I can see the bootable kernels and listing the menu seems to show that both distros are available, but whatever is being run when I boot normally, it isn't seeing that list. I suspect that if I re-install Kubuntu, it might all burst into life, but that's a bit drastic, so I might just wait until (K)ubuntu 16.10 is released next week. That will include kernel V 4.8 which brings several extras to the party which will (hopefully) enable some more of my touch-screen features. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Restoring Grub on an EFI Machine
Hi Terry, > I can no longer see a menu from the boot-screen; it goes straight into > Ubuntu. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#GRUB_vs_GRUB_2 says On a new installation of Ubuntu 9.10 or later with no other installed operating systems, GRUB 2 will boot directly to the login prompt or Desktop. No menu will be displayed. Hold down (right) SHIFT to display the menu during boot. In certain cases, pressing the ESC key may also display the menu. It also suggests in that list that /etc/grub.d/40_custom is where you should stash your own menu entries. And that `update-grub' looks for other OS. It looks like an interesting read, with links off to other pages. -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
[Dorset] Restoring Grub on an EFI Machine
Hi, You may remember that I was less than impressed with Dell when I bought an XPS-13 Developer Edition earlier this year because it came with Ubuntu 14.04 and zero support. Since I couldn't upgrade the Ubuntu installation without throwing away the touchscreen capabilities, I compromised and installed Kubuntu 16.04 as a dual-boot system. This has worked fine until now, but since I last used the machine a week or two ago, something has overwritten my Grub menu. The two partitions that I created for Kubuntu are still intact (I can boot into using Super Grub2 from a live disc), but I can no longer see a menu from the boot-screen; it goes straight into Ubuntu. I've tried a few tools from the Parted Magic Live Disc, but cannot seem to be able to write a viable Grub Menu. According to this page: http://www.wensley.org.uk/gpt[1] there are some peculiarities associated with using GPT discs and grub2 has to be written to a special partition, but I cannot see for certain which one to use and I've had problems matching the incantations on that page to the reality of my disc line-up, which has an SSD Drive. Does anyone know I good (safe) way to recover my grub menu? I'll be bringing the machine tonight. -- Terry Coles [1] http://www.wensley.org.uk/gpt -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Bournemouth Pub Meeting Tonight, Tuesday 2016-10-04.
I was planning to come, but Jemma appears to be developing a migraine today so it looks like I'll be on babysitting duties tonight... On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi, > > It's the pub meet tonight at The Broadway, 8pm-ish. For those that > haven't been before look out for a flip of laptops or Terry's stuffed > penguin. > > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings%3Apub > http://dorset.lug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=members#terry_coles > > We are often to the far left of the bar in the corner, near a mains > socket. But it isn't reserved for us so we're sometimes to be hunted > down elsewhere; often, in the pub's "snug", a small room off the right > end of the bar. We like corners. > > See you there. > > Cheers, Ralph. > > -- > Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 > Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ > New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING > Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
[Dorset] Bournemouth Pub Meeting Tonight, Tuesday 2016-10-04.
Hi, It's the pub meet tonight at The Broadway, 8pm-ish. For those that haven't been before look out for a flip of laptops or Terry's stuffed penguin. http://dorset.lug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings%3Apub http://dorset.lug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=members#terry_coles We are often to the far left of the bar in the corner, near a mains socket. But it isn't reserved for us so we're sometimes to be hunted down elsewhere; often, in the pub's "snug", a small room off the right end of the bar. We like corners. See you there. Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
[Dorset] Problems with Security certificate
Fiurefix 49,0 on Kbuntus 16.04 Using Dratel Modem/router I get as far as 'waiting for share gemmil.name' cheers pwl On 03/10/16 13:00, dorset-requ...@mailman.lug.org.uk wrote: Send dorset mailing list submissions to dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dorset-requ...@mailman.lug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at dorset-ow...@mailman.lug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of dorset digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Problem with security certificate (Graeme Gemmill) 2. Re: Problem with security certificate (Keith Edmunds) 3. Re: Problem with security certificate (Terry Coles) 4. Re: Problem with security certificate (PeterM) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:06:11 +0100 From: Graeme Gemmill To: dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Dorset] Problem with security certificate Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I'm having a strange problem with a security certificate. I'm not asking every member of this forum to do this, but I would appreciate one or two responses. Enter http://share.gemmill.name/owncloud (i've used Firefox and Konqueror) It links through ggemmill.ddns.net to get round a dynamic IP address problem You will get a "connection is not secure" message. Please examine the reason ( "advanced" if you use Firefox) and examine the certificate details. From my machine, the certificate originates from Technicolor, Edegem, BE. Please confirm your result. The problem is that I created a self-signed certificate in my Apache virtual host stanza for owncloud, which is not the one that is reported. Some weeks ago I had a fibre broadband (hooray!) router installed made by Technicolor. One or two strange things happened after that (e.g. SMTP servers not recognised), but I cannot understand why a router should start imposing security certificates. The Technicolor router is the only Technicolor device on my network. The ISP (Fleur) denies any responsibility, and the manufacturer suggests "we suspect that the "certificate issue" is linked to firefox settings and/or the way firefox handles the certificate negotiations", although as I said it also happens with Konqueror. I can find no certificate on any PC on this network that contains "Technicolorl" Has anyone an idea how to progress? Regards to all Graeme -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:23:56 +0100 From: Keith Edmunds To: dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Dorset] Problem with security certificate Message-ID: <20161002172356.5c7f9...@ws.midnighthax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:06:11 +0100, gra...@gemmill.name said: I cannot understand why a router should start imposing security certificates A lot of domestic routers intercept web browsing, so it wouldn't surprise me to see security certificates. A quick Google showed up this screenshot where you can see that "Web browsing interception" is "automatic". Personally, I've given up using such routers, and now run modem only and manage ppp from the server. http://screenshots.portforward.com/routers/Technicolor/TG582n/System_Configuration.htm -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2016-10-04 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
