Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[PeterMerchant via dorset]

On 11/05/17 11:52, Terry Coles wrote:

At the moment I can't seem to find the settings for when I want updates.
There is no menu item for it as on this machine.  Both computers are
Kubuntu 16.04.

The only fix that I'm aware of is to upgrade to 17.01.  Updating is now handled
by the 'Discover' Software Centre which still has no useful settings.

That's funny because it exists on my 'upstairs' system and works, even 
if it cannot count. At least I know when Updates are available. But on 
the 'Downstairs'  system built with the same DVD  the menu item for 
software-updater isn't there. Odd. I must check and see if the software 
exists.



Peter

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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[Terry Coles]

On Thursday, 11 May 2017 11:04:40 BST PeterMerchant via dorset wrote:
> On 30/04/17 13:06, PeterMerchant via dorset wrote:
> > On 19/04/17 10:16, Terry Coles wrote:
> >> My copy of Kubuntu 16.10 (and earlier versions) has always had an
> >> issue with the graphical update tool (it never notices that there are 
> >> any). This is a known bug which the Kubuntu team seem unable to fix (they
> >> did once then changed the updater and broke it again).

> Hi Terry, did you ever get this working? On the 'new' home K16.04
> computer I never seem to get any notice of updates. Muon was not
> installed as part of the package, it had 'discover'.  After I did an
> 'sudo apt-get update' which failed because of some skype repository
> problem, I had the little Update Icon on the taskbar. I was wondering if
> these were related- the fact that I stimulated it, and then it noticed?

You won't on 16.04, because, as mentioned above, the bug was there for years 
before that version was released.  If you visit the Kubuntu Forums, you'll find 
a very long bug report which reflects the mounting frustration by the users as 
the Kubuntu team 'mended' the updater, only to break it again.  My name 
appears more than once.

It started with notice of updates arriving normally; flagging up 1 to many 
updates available.  At that stage the updater couldn't count and the actual 
number was always different, including no updates at all.  This was flagged as 
a bug.

Next they fixed that, but the updater stopped telling us about new updates.  
Then finally, in 16.10, they would tell us occasionally, but then deny all 
knowledge of the updates when the tool was run, even though they were there.

> At the moment I can't seem to find the settings for when I want updates.
> There is no menu item for it as on this machine.  Both computers are
> Kubuntu 16.04.

The only fix that I'm aware of is to upgrade to 17.01.  Updating is now handled 
by the 'Discover' Software Centre which still has no useful settings.

At least it works, although I use only use it for updates.  I use Synaptic for 
installing new software because it has a far better search capability and 
lists every package, not just the ones that Canonical think you should know 
about.  

(What this means that it doesn't list any libraries and only some command line 
tools.  You can find them if you know what they are called and search for them, 
but even that is broken.  If you try to search for 'bash', it will immediately 
leap to packages beginning with 'b' and then only find it if it is in the 
subset that it has listed.)

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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[PeterMerchant via dorset]

On 30/04/17 13:06, PeterMerchant via dorset wrote:

On 19/04/17 10:16, Terry Coles wrote:

Hi,

My copy of Kubuntu 16.10 (and earlier versions) has always had an 
issue with the
graphical update tool (it never notices that there are any). This is 
a known bug which the
Kubuntu team seem unable to fix (they did once then changed the 
updater and broke it

again).

As a result of this, I have been in the habit of running the 'sudo 
apt-get update' / 'sudo apt-
get distro-upgrade' combo on a routine basis.  Since 17.04 was 
released I get the following

at the end of the apt-get update stage of the process:

Reading package lists... Done

I've searched the Kubuntu Forums and found nothing.  Has anyone else 
seen this?  What

does it mean?

I'm loathe to go for a full upgrade while I'm getting this message.

Now that the 'Home' computer has been upgraded from XP to kubuntu 
16.04, I am having similar problems with Muon. It doesn't do 
anything, and if I search for anything it doesn't do anything. Muon 
5.60 on K16.04 on 'my' computer works fine.


Peter

Hi Terry, did you ever get this working? On the 'new' home K16.04 
computer I never seem to get any notice of updates. Muon was not 
installed as part of the package, it had 'discover'.  After I did an 
'sudo apt-get update' which failed because of some skype repository 
problem, I had the little Update Icon on the taskbar. I was wondering if 
these were related- the fact that I stimulated it, and then it noticed?


At the moment I can't seem to find the settings for when I want updates. 
There is no menu item for it as on this machine.  Both computers are 
Kubuntu 16.04.


Peter


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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[PeterMerchant via dorset]

On 30/04/17 13:06, PeterMerchant via dorset wrote:

On 19/04/17 10:16, Terry Coles wrote:

Hi,

My copy of Kubuntu 16.10 (and earlier versions) has always had an 
issue with the
graphical update tool (it never notices that there are any). This is 
a known bug which the
Kubuntu team seem unable to fix (they did once then changed the 
updater and broke it

again).

As a result of this, I have been in the habit of running the 'sudo 
apt-get update' / 'sudo apt-
get distro-upgrade' combo on a routine basis.  Since 17.04 was 
released I get the following

at the end of the apt-get update stage of the process:

Reading package lists... Done

I've searched the Kubuntu Forums and found nothing.  Has anyone else 
seen this?  What

does it mean?

I'm loathe to go for a full upgrade while I'm getting this message.

Now that the 'Home' computer has been upgraded from XP to kubuntu 
16.04, I am having similar problems with Muon. It doesn't do 
anything, and if I search for anything it doesn't do anything. Muon 
5.60 on K16.04 on 'my' computer works fine.


Peter


New machine is 'discover', not Muon. That's what doesn't work.

P.


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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[PeterMerchant via dorset]

On 19/04/17 10:16, Terry Coles wrote:

Hi,

My copy of Kubuntu 16.10 (and earlier versions) has always had an issue with the
graphical update tool (it never notices that there are any).  This is a known 
bug which the
Kubuntu team seem unable to fix (they did once then changed the updater and 
broke it
again).

As a result of this, I have been in the habit of running the 'sudo apt-get 
update' / 'sudo apt-
get distro-upgrade' combo on a routine basis.  Since 17.04 was released I get 
the following
at the end of the apt-get update stage of the process:

Reading package lists... Done

I've searched the Kubuntu Forums and found nothing.  Has anyone else seen this? 
 What
does it mean?

I'm loathe to go for a full upgrade while I'm getting this message.

Now that the 'Home' computer has been upgraded from XP to kubuntu 
16.04, I am having similar problems with Muon. It doesn't do anything, 
and if I search for anything it doesn't do anything. Muon 5.60 on 
K16.04 on 'my' computer works fine.


Peter

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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[PeterMerchant via dorset]

On 19/04/17 10:16, Terry Coles wrote:

Hi,



Hi Terry et al,

Our main computer (XP) has now ceased functioning, so SWMBO has agreed 
that I can upgrade to a new OS. My preference is for Kubuntu, and second 
preference is Zorin as it has the XP lookalike. My machine is on Kubuntu 
16.04 which I like and think I wouldn't have too much difficulty in 
teacher her the differences. What is your opinion of 17.04? Is it that 
much different?


Peter M.

XP comes up with blue screen and no Icons or task bar, for the last 
couple of days I have managed to get it working again, but today no 
luck. My main problem I think is going to be getting all the mails from 
Outlook Express over into Thunderbird.


PM


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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[Terry Coles]

On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 09:34:40 BST you wrote:
> Looks like you added a ppa once for kokoto-java and that ppa no longer
> exists, or at least doesn't have any packages/release information for
> Ubuntu Yakkety. You can figure out what you installed from that PPA via the
> Ubuntu Software Centre:
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/5976/how-can-i-list-all-packages-ive-install
> ed-from-a-particular-repository

Thanks.  It's obvious when you look at it properly.

> If you haven't installed anything, or don't care about the software you did
> install (in which case you can uninstall it to be safer), you can remove
> that ppa ( https://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed )
> and upgrade just fine. In fact, usually the GUI updater disables PPAs
> anyway, so you'll just be doing that step yourself manually.

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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[Andrew Montgomery-Hurrell]

Looks like you added a ppa once for kokoto-java and that ppa no longer
exists, or at least doesn't have any packages/release information for
Ubuntu Yakkety. You can figure out what you installed from that PPA via the
Ubuntu Software Centre:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/5976/how-can-i-list-all-packages-ive-installed-from-a-particular-repository

If you haven't installed anything, or don't care about the software you did
install (in which case you can uninstall it to be safer), you can remove
that ppa ( https://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed )
and upgrade just fine. In fact, usually the GUI updater disables PPAs
anyway, so you'll just be doing that step yourself manually.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 at 10:21 Terry Coles  wrote:

> On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 10:16:02 BST you wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My copy of Kubuntu 16.10 (and earlier versions) has always had an issue
> with
> > the graphical update tool (it never notices that there are any).  This
> is a
> > known bug which the Kubuntu team seem unable to fix (they did once then
> > changed the updater and broke it again).
> >
> > As a result of this, I have been in the habit of running the 'sudo
> apt-get
> > update' / 'sudo apt- get distro-upgrade' combo on a routine basis.  Since
> > 17.04 was released I get the following at the end of the apt-get update
> > stage of the process:
> >
> > Reading package lists... Done
> >
> > I've searched the Kubuntu Forums and found nothing.  Has anyone else seen
> > this?  What does it mean?
> >
> > I'm loathe to go for a full upgrade while I'm getting this message.
>
>
> H.  What happened to the messages.  Second try.
>
> Reading package lists... Done
> W: The repository '
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kokoto-java/omgubuntu-stuff/ubuntu
> yakkety Release' does not have a Release file.
> N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore
> potentially dangerous to use.
> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration
> details.
> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kokoto-java/omgubuntu-stuff/
> ubuntu/dists/yakkety/main/binary-amd64/Packages
> 
> 404  Not Found
> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones
> used instead.
>
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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[Terry Coles]

On Wednesday, 19 April 2017 10:16:02 BST you wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> My copy of Kubuntu 16.10 (and earlier versions) has always had an issue with
> the graphical update tool (it never notices that there are any).  This is a
> known bug which the Kubuntu team seem unable to fix (they did once then
> changed the updater and broke it again).
> 
> As a result of this, I have been in the habit of running the 'sudo apt-get
> update' / 'sudo apt- get distro-upgrade' combo on a routine basis.  Since
> 17.04 was released I get the following at the end of the apt-get update
> stage of the process:
> 
> Reading package lists... Done
> 
> I've searched the Kubuntu Forums and found nothing.  Has anyone else seen
> this?  What does it mean?
> 
> I'm loathe to go for a full upgrade while I'm getting this message.


H.  What happened to the messages.  Second try.

Reading package lists... Done   
   
W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kokoto-java/omgubuntu-stuff/ubuntu 
yakkety Release' does not have a Release file.  
N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore 
potentially dangerous to use.   

N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration 
details.
   
E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kokoto-java/omgubuntu-stuff/
ubuntu/dists/yakkety/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found 
   
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones 
used instead.

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[Dorset] Kubuntu 16.10 -> 17.04 Update/Upgrade Issue

[Terry Coles]

Hi,

My copy of Kubuntu 16.10 (and earlier versions) has always had an issue with 
the 
graphical update tool (it never notices that there are any).  This is a known 
bug which the 
Kubuntu team seem unable to fix (they did once then changed the updater and 
broke it 
again).

As a result of this, I have been in the habit of running the 'sudo apt-get 
update' / 'sudo apt-
get distro-upgrade' combo on a routine basis.  Since 17.04 was released I get 
the following 
at the end of the apt-get update stage of the process:

Reading package lists... Done   


I've searched the Kubuntu Forums and found nothing.  Has anyone else seen this? 
 What 
does it mean?

I'm loathe to go for a full upgrade while I'm getting this message.

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