Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-12 Thread Terry Coles
On Wednesday 12 Aug 2009, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > General consensus seems to be Amazon did this because it was the cheaper > option compared to compensating the copyright holder for the illegal > distribution. Not to say they paid no compensation at all, but you'd > think it would have kept it dow

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-12 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Terry, > The added 'bonus' with Amazon is that they can also retrieve the > books from your device the next time you connect it to the web. This > apparently is mentioned in their Terms and Conditions (but I doubt if > one user in a thousand actually reads those). > > In any case, when I re

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Terry Coles
On Tuesday 11 Aug 2009, Robert Bronsdon wrote: > At the end of the day if I buy content then I should be free to use that > content. DRM stops you being able to "use" the content. Exactly. Clearly there is a balance between the rights of the content owners and the rights of the purchaser. I bel

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Robert Bronsdon
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:18:18 +0100, Terry Coles wrote: > These rights include the ability to lend or resell the book > and to move it to another reader. As with the MP3 industry, the > publishers want you to buy a new copy every time you buy a new reader. I think this is the key point with

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Terry Coles
On Tuesday 11 Aug 2009, Simon O'Riordan wrote: > It does sound a bit strange. Presumably they give a full refund? The > Lulu books are also available electronically. Postal charges for hard > copies are very steep. Apparently they gave a refund retrospectively. Not much consolation to those who

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Simon O'Riordan
It does sound a bit strange. Presumably they give a full refund? The Lulu books are also available electronically. Postal charges for hard copies are very steep. Meanwhile what about Amazon mp3's? They come available to Linux too. Terry Coles wrote: > On Tuesday 11 Aug 2009, Simon O'Riordan wrot

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Terry Coles
On Tuesday 11 Aug 2009, Simon O'Riordan wrote: > I understand now. But I'm still not sure how this download version works. Apparently, as with other eBook readers (and MP3 players for music), the user buys the book from the Amazon website and it is loaded onto the Kindle using some specialist s

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Simon O'Riordan
I understand now. But I'm still not sure how this download version works. Terry Coles wrote: > On Tuesday 11 Aug 2009, Simon O'Riordan wrote: > >> Speaking as a published author with three titles on Amazon.com, alll of >> which are actually available from Lulu.com through Amazon, I would be >>

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Terry Coles
On Tuesday 11 Aug 2009, Simon O'Riordan wrote: > Speaking as a published author with three titles on Amazon.com, alll of > which are actually available from Lulu.com through Amazon, I would be > extremely pissed if some creep started selling on copies of my work > without paying me. > Thieves are t

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Simon O'Riordan
Speaking as a published author with three titles on Amazon.com, alll of which are actually available from Lulu.com through Amazon, I would be extremely pissed if some creep started selling on copies of my work without paying me. Thieves are thieves no matter how you dress it up. Peter Merchant

Re: [Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Peter Merchant
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 14:24 +0100, Terry Coles wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry about the OT, but the FSF have had a campaign against DRM in general > for > quite some time, hosted at their website http://www.defectivebydesign.org. > Their latest focus has been against Amazon for their stupid removal of

[Dorset] OT: FSF Campaign Against Amazon

2009-08-11 Thread Terry Coles
Hi, Sorry about the OT, but the FSF have had a campaign against DRM in general for quite some time, hosted at their website http://www.defectivebydesign.org. Their latest focus has been against Amazon for their stupid removal of copies of books from Kindle devices *after* the users had bought