Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-30 Thread Peter Foreman
--- Bryan Batchelder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/docs/NLBtech2.doc Thanks Bryan. I realized that I've actually skimmed this document before - I'll take the trouble to read it fully this time! "When inspecting an arriving packet, all hosts simultaneously pe

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-30 Thread Bryan Batchelder
> Seriously, has anyone got a link to something describing how > this works? I couldn't find anything on MSDN. http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/docs/NLBtech2.doc Bryan Batchelder eBusiness Consultant ConnectWise, Inc. 813-935-7100 x 425 You can read messages from the DOTNET archive, u

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-30 Thread Peter Foreman
--- Thomas Tomiczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could, for example, compute the hash based on the source IP - so all > requests form one ip would be handled on one server :-) :-) Seriously, has anyone got a link to something describing how this works? I couldn't find anything on MSDN. Ap

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-30 Thread Thomas Tomiczek
]] Sent: Donnerstag, 30. Mai 2002 09:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm --- Greg Reinacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There isn't a single load balancing server, per se. With NLB, there is a > virtual IP address of th

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-30 Thread Peter Foreman
--- Greg Reinacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There isn't a single load balancing server, per se. With NLB, there is a > virtual IP address of the cluster. Every server in the cluster will see > every request to the virtual IP at it's network interface. Then each > server individually execute

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Greg Reinacker
>> You have to be careful about your network architecture as well, to ensure >> you allow bandwidth for "broadcasting" requests across the cluster. > >I must admit ignorance to the under-the-hood mechanics of NLB. How does it distribute the >requests? Do all packets get redirected through the lo

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Greg Reinacker
nvironment but want to have the ability to still target a specific machine. In the configuration above this is possible, providing your network routing doesn't re-direct requests back through the switches. Hope this helps A -Original Message- From: dotnet discussion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Peter Foreman
--- Greg Reinacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, I know of many web farms that are load balanced with NLB. There > isn't any gathering of performance information with NLB, although as you > mention the software algorithm does take a small amount of overhead. And > we've seen in a lab th

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Greg Reinacker
gt;In your case you want a load balanced environment but want to have the >ability to still target a specific machine. In the configuration above >this is possible, providing your network routing doesn't re-direct >requests back through the switches. > >Hope this helps > >

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Peter Foreman
--- Andrew Gayter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In general web farms don't employ Microsoft Component Load Balancing > (CLB), or software enabled Network Load Balancing (NLB) due to the > following reasons I don't think you can lump these two together. CLB is very niche, because most people stic

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Andrew Gayter
y, Mark Sent: 29 May 2002 12:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm Hey Andrew: This is fantasic information - great for our outfit who is currently testing a web farm using Application Center (to be Commerce Sever). Do you have or know of any

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Richard Birkby
Andrew Gayter wrote: > > Instead Microsoft are now actually promoting what is called tier > consolidation, They're not promoting it that well. Google returns 1 result, and it lives on IBM.com http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&q=%22tier+consolidation%2 2+microsoft Richard You

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Bailey, Mark
Of Peter Foreman Sent: 29 May 2002 08:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm To clarify a previous email: Clustering service provides: Windows 2000 Advanced Server - 2 nodes Data Center - 4 nodes .Net Servers Advanced Server - 4 nodes Data Cent

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Andrew Gayter
man Sent: 29 May 2002 08:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm To clarify a previous email: Clustering service provides: Windows 2000 Advanced Server - 2 nodes Data Center - 4 nodes .Net Servers Advanced Server - 4 nodes Data Center - 8 nod

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-29 Thread Peter Foreman
To clarify a previous email: Clustering service provides: Windows 2000 Advanced Server - 2 nodes Data Center - 4 nodes .Net Servers Advanced Server - 4 nodes Data Center - 8 nodes And all do support some kind of Active/Active clustering (but I've never used it so I don't know details). Also,

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread Peter Foreman
--- Brad Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, if you use Windows Load Balancing, my understanding is that the > multiple machines all appear as one large, single machine to the outside > world. In that scenario, I'm not sure how/if you could move the request to > another machine. In realit

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread Peter Foreman
--- Brad Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brad Wilson wrote: > > > However, if you use Windows Load Balancing, my understanding is that the > > multiple machines all appear as one large, single machine to the outside > > world. > > My mistake. This is clustering, not load balancing. That'll tea

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread Bryan Batchelder
L PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 4:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm > > > Hi Brad, > This is exactly what I want and I was hoping that there is > something built- in to do it. Sorry if it sound stu

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread Bryan Batchelder
Not that I am aware of. When writing an app to run properly on a web farm, you should think in the mindset that any given request could hit any of the servers. You can use a weaker form of load balancing that will lock a user session into a specific server - this is called affinity - such that o

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread Brad Wilson
George Mladenov wrote: > This is exactly what I want and I was hoping that there is something built- > in to do it. Sorry if it sound stupid, but would it be possible to open up > an HTTP request to the second host directly if there is load balancing > software installed. Like I said, it depends

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread Peter Foreman
--- George Mladenov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am trying to design my web application so that it can be run in a web > farm but I've never actually had any experience with web farms. I am > assuming that in a web farm some load balancing software (MS Application > Center?) routes HTTP requests

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread George Mladenov
Hi Brad, This is exactly what I want and I was hoping that there is something built- in to do it. Sorry if it sound stupid, but would it be possible to open up an HTTP request to the second host directly if there is load balancing software installed. Wouldn't it be intercepted or that's not how lo

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread Marsh, Drew
Brad Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > Response.Redirect will require a roundtrip to the browser, correct? > > How do you do the same thing without the roundtrip? > > If it's not on the same machine, then there's nothing > built-in that can do it for you. Of course, you could open up >

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread Brad Wilson
George Mladenov wrote: > Response.Redirect will require a roundtrip to the browser, correct? How do > you do the same thing without the roundtrip? If it's not on the same machine, then there's nothing built-in that can do it for you. Of course, you could open up an HTTP request to the second hos

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread George Mladenov
Response.Redirect will require a roundtrip to the browser, correct? How do you do the same thing without the roundtrip? The problem that I am trying to solve is data-dependent routing. I would like to share state between HTTP requests but I _do not_ want to use the state sharing facilities provide

Re: [DOTNET] ASP.NET and HTTP request routing in a web farm

2002-05-28 Thread Brad Wilson
George Mladenov wrote: > What I would like to do is to terminate the execution of the current page > and begin the execution of another page but on a specific server from the > farm. Generally server farms don't work this way (however, if you wanted to bounce to another server, you might be able