Re: Replication going away?

Hi, On 2023-11-28 16:20:56 +0100, gerben.wie...@rna.nl wrote: From what version on is replication gone? I am running 2.3.20 and it still there. it will be gone from version 2.4/3.0 onward (see [0]). Best regards, Peter [0]

Re: Replication going away?

>From what version on is replication gone? I am running 2.3.20 and it still >there. ___ dovecot mailing list -- dovecot@dovecot.org To unsubscribe send an email to dovecot-le...@dovecot.org

Re: [EXT] Replication going away?

Does anyone already have a dovecot (CE with Maildir) setup running using shared storage (i.ex. GlusterFS) underneath? This will be my current „migration plan“ to dovecot nmot supporting replication anymore: 2 x Loadblancers (accross two sites) with keepalived and haproxy 3x GlusterFS nodes 3x

Re: [EXT] Replication going away?

On 2023-07-20 5:31 pm, deano-dove...@areyes.com wrote: On 2023-07-19 4:08 pm, Gerald Galster wrote: A 50-100 mailbox user server will run Dovecot CE just fine. Pro would be overkill. What is

Re: Replication going away?

On 26/07/2023 22:43, Marc wrote: A dns query for imap.web.de address records (IN A) returns two ip addresses. And I'm betting each IP is a hardware load balancer with crap load of servers behind each :) I am converting a bit to containers and there are so many applications that are not able

Re: Replication going away?

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 05:01, Paul Kudla wrote: > > > I know this might have already been answered > > Can some one give a link to the paid site that does what dovecot project does > now > > more then happy to keep the lights on ! > > pls advise link ? > I believe the URL is

RE: Replication going away?

> > > A dns query for imap.web.de address records (IN A) returns two ip > addresses. > > > And I'm betting each IP is a hardware load balancer with crap load of > servers behind each :) > I am converting a bit to containers and there are so many applications that are not able to

Re: Replication going away?

I know this might have already been answered Can some one give a link to the paid site that does what dovecot project does now more then happy to keep the lights on ! pls advise link ? Happy Wednesday !!! Thanks - paul Paul Kudla Scom.ca Internet Services

Re: Replication going away?

On 20/07/2023 05:55, Gerald Galster wrote: A dns query for imap.web.de address records (IN A) returns two ip addresses. And I'm betting each IP is a hardware load balancer with crap load of servers behind each :) -- Regards, Noel Butler This Email, including attachments, may contain

Re: Replication going away?

(I'm very late to this party so my comments may have been said at some point) On 20/07/2023 03:53, Michael Peddemors wrote: Real world is a bit different.. DNS Caching.. While DNS Round Robin is good enough to distribute loads, it isnt' a very good method for failover, even with a very short

Re: [EXT] Replication going away?

On 2023-07-19 4:08 pm, Gerald Galster wrote: > A 50-100 mailbox user server will run Dovecot CE just fine. Pro would be > overkill. What is overkill? I always thought it had a bit more features and > support. For Pro 2.3, you need (at minimum) 7 Dovecot nodes + HA authentication + HA

RE: Replication going away?

> We are slowly but surely FORCED to use external/cloud services as Open > (and even closed) source tools are no longer use-able on own/private > infrastructures or need nuclear plan like budget and implementation > time/ressources (Yes it is a bit exaggerated ;-) ) > There are still people out

Re: Replication going away?

Le 20/07/2023 à 00:57, Michael Slusarz via dovecot a écrit : On 07/19/2023 2:54 PM MDT Michael Grimm via dovecot wrote: Michael Slusarz via dovecot wrote: On 07/18/2023 9:00 AM MDT Gerald Galster wrote: While I understand it takes effort to maintain the replication plugin, this is

Re: [EXT] Replication going away?

Le 19/07/2023 à 22:08, Gerald Galster a écrit : A 50-100 mailbox user server will run Dovecot CE just fine. Pro would be overkill. What is overkill? I always thought it had a bit more features and support. For Pro 2.3, you need (at minimum) 7 Dovecot nodes + HA authentication + HA storage +

Re: Replication going away?

Le 19/07/2023 à 23:03, Michael Peddemors a écrit : In theory, that is how it is SUPPOSED to work, in practice (and we have lots of history where customers ran into this problem when one went down), I believe that it was Outlook that didn't try an alternative IP address for a 20 min internal

Re: Replication going away?

On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 10:30:32PM -0600, Michael Slusarz via dovecot wrote: > For a variety of software, maintenance, and (yes) business reasons, there > comes a time when decisions need to be made to move beyond existing software. > This is completely normal in software development, and there

Re: Replication going away?

> On 07/19/2023 2:54 PM MDT Michael Grimm via dovecot > wrote: > > Michael Slusarz via dovecot wrote: > >> On 07/18/2023 9:00 AM MDT Gerald Galster wrote: > > >> While I understand it takes effort to maintain the replication plugin, > >> this is especially problematic for small

Re: Replication going away?

Marc wrote: >> That simply isn't true, and I am baffled that you don't know that >> replication works with a two server active/active setup for years now! >> Two separate instances (active/active) on two different continents are a >> completely reliable failover scenario for years now. > >

RE: Replication going away?

> > That simply isn't true, and I am baffled that you don't know that > replication works with a two server active/active setup for years now! > Two separate instances (active/active) on two different continents are a > completely reliable failover scenario for years now. > Maybe it works like

Re: Replication going away?

On 2023-07-19 12:55, Gerald Galster wrote: Le 19/07/2023 à 19:53, Michael Peddemors a écrit : Real world is a bit different.. DNS Caching.. While DNS Round Robin is good enough to distribute loads, it isnt' a very good method for failover, even with a very short TTL. Many home routers, still

Re: Replication going away?

Michael Slusarz via dovecot wrote: >> On 07/18/2023 9:00 AM MDT Gerald Galster wrote: >> While I understand it takes effort to maintain the replication plugin, this >> is especially problematic for small active/active high-availability >> deployments. > > To clarify: replication absolutely

Re: [EXT] Replication going away?

>>> A 50-100 mailbox user server will run Dovecot CE just fine. Pro would >>> be overkill. >> >> What is overkill? I always thought it had a bit more features and support. > > For Pro 2.3, you need (at minimum) 7 Dovecot nodes + HA authentication + HA > storage + (minimum) 3 Cassandra nodes if

Re: Replication going away?

>> While I understand it takes effort to maintain the replication plugin, this >> is especially problematic for small active/active high-availability >> deployments. > > To clarify: replication absolutely does not provide "active/active". > Replication was meant to copy data to a standby

Re: Replication going away?

> Le 19/07/2023 à 19:53, Michael Peddemors a écrit : >> Real world is a bit different.. DNS Caching.. While DNS Round Robin is good >> enough to distribute loads, it isnt' a very good method for failover, even >> with a very short TTL. Many home routers, still insist on caching results >> for

Re: Replication going away?

In order to prepare for the upcoming release: Is there an estimated release date when replication will be removed? What is the best way (reconfigure, turn off auto replication, etc.) to migrate to an environment to test and run using ‘doveadm sync -d’ in a scheduled job (e.g., cron)? Sent

Re: [EXT] RE: Replication going away?

> On 07/19/2023 12:51 PM MDT Marc wrote: > > > A 50-100 mailbox user server will run Dovecot CE just fine. Pro would > > be overkill. > > What is overkill? I always thought it had a bit more features and support. For Pro 2.3, you need (at minimum) 7 Dovecot nodes + HA authentication + HA

Re: Replication going away?

On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 at 20:40, Michael Slusarz via dovecot wrote: > > > On 07/18/2023 9:00 AM MDT Gerald Galster wrote: > > > > While I understand it takes effort to maintain the replication plugin, this > > is especially problematic for small active/active high-availability > > deployments. >

Re: Replication going away?

On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 at 06:47, Michael Slusarz via dovecot wrote: > > Hello all, > > I want to provide a brief overview regarding various questions surrounding > features that are being removed from Dovecot CE going forward. > > We are currently working on providing updated/improved website info

RE: Replication going away?

> > A 50-100 mailbox user server will run Dovecot CE just fine. Pro would > be overkill. > What is overkill? I always thought it had a bit more features and support. ___ dovecot mailing list -- dovecot@dovecot.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: Replication going away?

> On 07/18/2023 9:00 AM MDT Gerald Galster wrote: > > While I understand it takes effort to maintain the replication plugin, this > is especially problematic for small active/active high-availability > deployments. To clarify: replication absolutely does not provide "active/active".

Re: Replication going away?

Le 19/07/2023 à 19:53, Michael Peddemors a écrit : Real world is a bit different.. DNS Caching.. While DNS Round Robin is good enough to distribute loads, it isnt' a very good method for failover, even with a very short TTL.  Many home routers, still insist on caching results for a long time,

Re: Replication going away?

Real world is a bit different.. DNS Caching.. While DNS Round Robin is good enough to distribute loads, it isnt' a very good method for failover, even with a very short TTL. Many home routers, still insist on caching results for a long time, no matter what the TTL says, and of course Windows

Re: Replication going away?

>> While I understand it takes effort to maintain the replication plugin, this >> is especially problematic for small active/active high-availability >> deployments. >> I guess there are lots of servers that use replication for just 50 or 100 >> mailboxes. Cloudstorage (like S3) would be

Re: Replication going away?

On 2023-07-18, Gerald Galster wrote: > While I understand it takes effort to maintain the replication plugin, this > is especially problematic for small active/active high-availability > deployments. > I guess there are lots of servers that use replication for just 50 or 100 > mailboxes.

Re: Replication going away?

> While I understand it takes effort to maintain the replication plugin, this > is especially problematic for small active/active high-availability > deployments. > I guess there are lots of servers that use replication for just 50 or 100 > mailboxes. Cloudstorage (like S3) would be overkill

Re: Replication going away?

>> Just to understand that correctly: I could setup a (cron) based process for >> doveadm sync, but no longer a setup like >> plugin { >> mail_replica = tcp:$IMAP_REPLICA_SERVER:$IMAP_REPLICA_PORT >> } >> where the cron would lead to some delay and would have to check for >> concurrent

Re: Replication going away?

> On 18/07/2023 15:19 EEST i...@joergschulz.de wrote: > > > Just to understand that correctly: I could setup a (cron) based process for > doveadm sync, but no longer a setup like > plugin { > mail_replica = tcp:$IMAP_REPLICA_SERVER:$IMAP_REPLICA_PORT > } > where the cron would lead to

Re: Replication going away?

Just to understand that correctly: I could setup a (cron) based process for doveadm sync, but no longer a setup like plugin { mail_replica = tcp:$IMAP_REPLICA_SERVER:$IMAP_REPLICA_PORT } where the cron would lead to some delay and would have to check for concurrent jobs?

Re: Replication going away?

Hello all, I want to provide a brief overview regarding various questions surrounding features that are being removed from Dovecot CE going forward. We are currently working on providing updated/improved website info and documentation that will better explain exactly what is being maintained

Re: Replication going away?

On 7/17/23 12:21, Stephan Bosch wrote: Op 17-7-2023 om 17:54 schreef Steven Varco: However, I understand some had a better experience with it. I am curious if someone will fork dovecot and restore the beloved feature. With all the recent actions going on, clearly targeting in getting more

Re: Replication going away?

Op 17-7-2023 om 17:54 schreef Steven Varco: However, I understand some had a better experience with it. I am curious if someone will fork dovecot and restore the beloved feature. With all the recent actions going on, clearly targeting in getting more paying „pro“ customers (and nothing else!)

Re: Replication going away?

> However, I understand some had a better experience with it. I am curious > if someone will fork dovecot and restore the beloved feature. With all the recent actions going on, clearly targeting in getting more paying „pro“ customers (and nothing else!) the dovecot project will walk on thin ice

Re: Replication going away?

On Sun, Jul 09, 2023 at 10:36:35PM +0300, Vladimir Mishonov via dovecot wrote: > Looking at the commit details, it appears that it completely removes the > replication feature. I am not very upset with that news, since all I have been able to do with replicator was loosing mail. However, I

Re: Replication going away?

On 17/7/2023 1:24 μ.μ., David Zambonini wrote: With respect, I'm not sure why these scripts are considered a suitable replacement, because they're not, and it's obvious no real attempt was made to make them so. ... +1000 We recognize and respect all Dovecot Team's efforts and goodwill for

Re: Replication going away?

Emmanuel Fusté wrote: > Le dim. 16 juil. 2023, 18:55, Aki Tuomi via dovecot a > écrit : > >> Yes, director and replicator are removed, and won't be available for pro >> users either. Why in hell would one remove replicator? It's working for years now. Yes, I recall issues in the beginning,

Re: Replication going away?

On 17/07/2023 11:41, Aki Tuomi wrote: You do note that most of the issues you just described were actually issues with director itself. The director did not do any automatic healing, load balancing etc, which is why we have a Pro offering that provides actual clustering component (called

Re: Replication going away?

> On 17/07/2023 13:24 EEST David Zambonini wrote: > > > On 16/07/2023 17:54, Aki Tuomi via dovecot wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Yes, director and replicator are removed, and won't be available for pro > > users either. > > > > For NFS setups (or similar shared setups), we have documented a way

Re: Replication going away?

On 16/07/2023 17:54, Aki Tuomi via dovecot wrote: Hi! Yes, director and replicator are removed, and won't be available for pro users either. For NFS setups (or similar shared setups), we have documented a way to use Lua to run a director-like setup, see

Re: Replication going away?

> Op 16 jul. 2023 om 17:57 heeft Aki Tuomi het > volgende geschreven: > > Hi! > > Yes, director and replicator are removed, and won't be available for pro > users either. > > For NFS setups (or similar shared setups), we have documented a way to use > Lua to run a director-like setup, see

Re: Replication going away?

Le dim. 16 juil. 2023, 18:55, Aki Tuomi via dovecot a écrit : > Hi! > > Yes, director and replicator are removed, and won't be available for pro > users either. > > For NFS setups (or similar shared setups), we have documented a way to use > Lua to run a director-like setup, see > >

Re: Replication going away?

On Sun, 2023-07-16 at 19:54 +0300, Aki Tuomi via dovecot wrote: > Hi! > > Yes, director and replicator are removed Are you able to provide details on why this is happening? -Jim P. ___ dovecot mailing list -- dovecot@dovecot.org To unsubscribe send

Re: Replication going away?

Hi! Yes, director and replicator are removed, and won't be available for pro users either. For NFS setups (or similar shared setups), we have documented a way to use Lua to run a director-like setup, see https://doc.dovecot.org/3.0/configuration_manual/howto/director_with_lua/ Regards to

Re: Replication going away?

Top posting because nothing specific to reply to, sorry. Not exactly sure, but there’s another thread about the removal of Director in favour of Dovecot Pro on 3.x. Perhaps this change is related. William Edwards > Op 16 jul. 2023 om 16:33 heeft Daniele het volgende > geschreven: > >

Re: Replication going away?

Hello, Just like Vladimir, I'm a bit concerned about this change, and I'd really appreciate if someone could let us know if the replication feature (that works so well!) will be replaced or removed; and, in case of removal, what would be recommended replacement? Thanks in advance and best

Replication going away?

Hello everyone. Just saw this commit in the official Github repo: https://github.com/dovecot/core/commit/4c04e4c30fd4817a8b0e11d04d9681173f696f41#diff-5f643d8b0d1eea65d0f3c749d14d42b25a9d60f0f149bface862f5ff348412c8 Looking at the commit details, it appears that it completely removes the