Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Mate Nagy wrote: >> I strongly believe that the major problem of dwm currently is >> not font handling (8bit ascii bitmap fonts are perfectly fine thank >> you); > > Agree 100%.  Folks, if you want unicode su

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Haomin Wen wrote: > Hello, > > I am sorry but I really hope dwm can switch to using pango. > > X fonts are broken and not well supported, at least in Ubuntu. I have six > Chinese fonts shown in xlsfonts, but only two of them can be displayed. Then file a bug with

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:05:36PM -0400, Jeremy Jay wrote: > > Don't be a bigot, it just makes you look like a moron too. Free Software > is about choice, forcing people to use an app just because you use it is > pretty stupid and annoying and just gives people a negative association > with it. L

OT: Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:55:04PM +0200, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: > > Except some of us don't have a choice and have to use this for their > > work or at uni... > > Well, what about GNU Octave? Mathematica seems to have become as much a > disease as Fortran was in last decades. > this is

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:47:33PM +0200, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: > That's mainly proprietary software. dwm shouldn't support that kind of > software, but instead expose their bare brokenness to the user. Maybe users > will realise then that proprietary software is not worth using, because yo

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:54:35 +0200 markus schnalke wrote: > Important is IMO to define a clear goal and to follow a straight path > to this goal. This is not only for the competition with other WMs but > also for keeping the software clear. Yes, I wanted at one point to try out xmonad, but when

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009/4/27 Matthias-Christian Ott : > At least you didn't loose your dignity, carried out your principles and > proofed that Free Software is as powerful as an expensive proprietary > software. > But it is not always possible. I can give you a (quite long) list of software that doesn't have a free

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

I thought you mentioned stopping in the email you sent before this one? (Or was that only applicble to other people?) On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:58:31PM +0200, pancake wrote: >> When I was in the university I had to use matlab. Pro

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:58:31PM +0200, pancake wrote: > When I was in the university I had to use matlab. Proffessors told me > that I can use the windows boxes in place, but for personal reasons > (time and so) I proposed them to use the telnet interface and use it > remotely. > > It happ

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:05:36PM -0400, Jeremy Jay wrote: > > Don't be a bigot, it just makes you look like a moron too. Free Software Well, you are a moron if you get bad marks, because you didn't hand in your papers, because you refuse to use proprietary software: You don't change anything an

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 06:57:13PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: > On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:51:24 +0200 > Martin Oppegaard wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:47:19AM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: > > > Personally I would like to have one dwm as is, and one gdwm (or some > > > better name) with m

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

When I was in the university I had to use matlab. Proffessors told me that I can use the windows boxes in place, but for personal reasons (time and so) I proposed them to use the telnet interface and use it remotely. It happened that their license didn't allowed them to export the applica

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

[ pretty off topic ] Three days off-line and now ... *eek* ... 75 new messages. It was interesting to read all those opinions and comments. I think it was even fun, because I'm not directly affected ... not anymore. I already found what I was looking for, more than a year ago. dwm then was alrea

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

Don't be a bigot, it just makes you look like a moron too. Free Software is about choice, forcing people to use an app just because you use it is pretty stupid and annoying and just gives people a negative association with it. Let people make their own choices. Last I checked it was very easy to s

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:05:57PM -0700, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: > > > Except some of us don't have a choice and have to use this for their > > > work or at uni... > > > > Well, what about GNU Octave? Mathematica seems to have become as much a > > disease as Fortran was in last decades. > > >

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

Kurt H Maier dixit (2009-04-27, 13:54): > "$subject is broken, therefore we must bloat up dwm to work around it" > is bad reasoning, even if $subject is "x11 font rendering" or "some > expensive app my school is forcing on me" The only difference is that you *have* to use X11 font rendering while

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

> > Except some of us don't have a choice and have to use this for their > > work or at uni... > > Well, what about GNU Octave? Mathematica seems to have become as much a > disease as Fortran was in last decades. > I once tried to explain to my professor if I could use Octave instead of Matlab bu

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:50:49PM +0200, Valentin wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:47:33PM +0200, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:35:20AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > > > > That's mainly proprietary software. dwm shouldn't support that kind of > > software, but i

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: > Could you please briefly explain why you are opposed to XRandR. It seems > pretty common and usable. > Not only that, xinerama is going to be entirely supplanted by xrandr. Developing for xinerama is a dead end. On Mon, Apr 27, 200

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:47:33PM +0200, Matthias-Christian Ott wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:35:20AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > > That's mainly proprietary software. dwm shouldn't support that kind of > software, but instead expose their bare brokenness to the user. Maybe users > will

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:35:20AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Thanks for all the valueable input so far in this thread. > > I think here are the action points: > > 1) I plan to separate the bar stuff code-wise into two portions -- the > tag bar with tags and layout info, and the title/status

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

I'm sorry, this was related to Szabolcs' comment: >why would one post ideas, questions,.. to some random web forum when >there is a dedicated mailing list (and irc channel) for the given >topic? On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Preben Randhol wrote: > On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:12:12 +0200 > hiro <2

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:12:12 +0200 hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Forums are a disease, but they are successful, because people are > always glad about the neat, animated smiley's, there are proudly > occupied moderators, and a lot of cool features for the administrator > to play with. Math

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:51:24 +0200 Martin Oppegaard wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:47:19AM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: > > Personally I would like to have one dwm as is, and one gdwm (or some > > better name) with more bells and whistles and dependencies. > > http://wmii.suckless.org/ > >

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Preben Ran > well, what is the purpose of a stausbar? It is a minority of the > worlds population that adheres to 7-bit ASCII. Which just makes it more mysterious that nobody has fixed xlib font rendering. > or that one just patch dwm for pango like one need to do

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

I have been following all the recent discussions and I agree with this 100%. Sent from my BlackBerry -Original Message- From: pancake Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:07:55 To: dwm mail list Subject: Re: [dwm] dwm's future I want to feed the mailin

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

I want to feed the mailing with some more words about this topic... I don't really care about the font rendering, because I just use title bar to see what's going on the window (like for large builds or browser's page titles, ..) And I dont really read contents in chineese or russian, so i'm hap

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:35:20AM +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > - Mathematica (Version?) 7 breaks on the help window - it doesn't get keyboard focus, mouse focus still works. First the layout gets applied to it, then the other windows move back below it. I'm pretty sure that 6 did not have this

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

* David E. Thiel [2009-04-25 13:27:51 -0701]: > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 08:29:12PM +0200, Dusan wrote: > > Please keep bar, that's why dwm is great out of the box. > > Agreed. A window manager should be usable on its own, and have sensible > defaults. Ability to customize is great, but it should

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

> But here is the URL to wikipedia if you prefer that: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_(programming_language) He probably means this page: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cbook/ But I guess his point was that you should have provided that standard information (copied from above web page): The C P

[dwm] [OT] spp

Some time ago I started to write a new program to implement a simple preprocessor for doing some over-cpp preprocessing allowing me to use specials preprocessor tags inside the comments of the C code generated by Vala to add some funny hacks on top of it. I was also thinking on many other appl

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:05:11PM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: > What about xft? Wasn't there a patch for 4.7 (can't find it anymore). > I don't know much about the font systems. I've been using this patch for quite some time with no issues. If anyone wants to see the implementation for reference,

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:47:19AM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: > Personally I would like to have one dwm as is, and one gdwm (or some > better name) with more bells and whistles and dependencies. http://wmii.suckless.org/ Or is Wmii dead in the water?

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:11:50 +0200 Szabolcs Nagy wrote: > why would one post an url to a web shop when the book itself has more > informative resource locators: an official website, publisher, author > names, isbn number, common abbrev, wikipedia entry, google.. ? Because you can find all the i

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:49:55 -0500 Kurt H Maier wrote: > I keep hoping to > see dwm go into a 'steady state' where the only patches are to > maintain compatibility with latest x.org, etc., but instead every time > it seems 'done' we shoot forward into crazy-ass ideas like requiring > an extra 0.5

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:10:47 +0100 Anselm R Garbe wrote: > 2009/4/27 Preben Randhol : > > What about xft? Wasn't there a patch for 4.7 (can't find it > > anymore). I don't know much about the font systems. > > One option, though quite half hearted in my opinion. I found on the net that there i

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

Hi there ! 2009/4/27, Anselm R Garbe : > Thanks for all the valueable input so far in this thread. > > I think here are the action points: > > 1) I plan to separate the bar stuff code-wise into two portions -- the > tag bar with tags and layout info, and the title/status bar, but > things will

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

On 4/27/09, Preben Randhol wrote: > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:44:18 -0300 > Leandro Chescotta wrote: >> *Wra!thin archlinux >> forums > But I can recommend "The C Programming Language" > http://www.amazon.co.uk/C-Programming-Language-2nd/dp/0131103628/

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

2009/4/27 Preben Randhol : > On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:11:03 +0100 > Anselm R Garbe wrote: > >> So there are only three ways: >> >> - stick with what we got (don't care if some langs look ugly) >> - use pango and/or cairo or something like that >> - invest some effort into a new font rendering lib (s

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:11:03 +0100 Anselm R Garbe wrote: > So there are only three ways: > > - stick with what we got (don't care if some langs look ugly) > - use pango and/or cairo or something like that > - invest some effort into a new font rendering lib (seems to be a hard > job, esp. if one

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:23:50 +0100 Anselm R Garbe wrote: > Hi there, > > I discussed several stuff on IRC recently but wanted to share my > thoughts here. > > 1. One idea is getting rid of the dwm bar altogether and to print the > dwm state to stdout when it changes, however after thinking care

Re: [dwm] dwm's future

Thanks for all the valueable input so far in this thread. I think here are the action points: 1) I plan to separate the bar stuff code-wise into two portions -- the tag bar with tags and layout info, and the title/status bar, but things will stay as they are from a user perspective, it's just som

Re: [dwm] [idea] mwm - minimal/minimun/monocle window manager

On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:44:18 -0300 Leandro Chescotta wrote: > Well, someone start this earlier, > *Wra!thin archlinux > forums > * here http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70902 hope the best > to this project! :) > > actually it's name is Mos