RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
Good idea Dave. I know they have done several already. Spanish I believe has been done and Japanese was in the works. Not sure about other languages but I will check with N7NG and NN1N. Thanks Dave for your positive input. Bernie, W3UR Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 18:47 To: 'Bernie McClenny, W3UR'; 'John Carobine - WB8RFB'; 'DX, Chat' Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World How about providing instructions in languages other than English? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernie McClenny, W3UR Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:15 AM To: 'John Carobine - WB8RFB'; 'DX, Chat' Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World WB8RFB said If there is any way to encourage more DX stations to sign up and submit their logs, I'm all for it. Perhaps some kind of incentive offered by the League??? The ARRL announced LOTW is now working for Worked All States (see http://www.arrl.org/ ). This will help with more DX stations John! Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LOTW
N7EF=20 =20 You forgot to mention it would cost more. Don't get me wrong I like QSL cards. =20 =20 I've worked all countries and have them all confirmed on the current = list. If all of a sudden there was a new DXCC Country I would send for a traditional paper QSL card to put one on the wall with the rest. I'm seriously involved now in the DXCC Challenge with just under 3,000 band points. If I were to work a new band point or country on RTTY I really don't need another paper card. I'd just assume get it confirmed quickly = and relatively cheap via LOTW. =20 =20 Just for the sake of argument supposed I spent a minimum of $1 for each = of those QSLs. Man if my wife found out, I'd be hung out to dry! HI. To = each there own. I'm not knocking those who want the QSL cards. =20 Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] New Group
Please join this new group for all type of info related to Ham Radio Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VU-CHAT Group email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Logbook of World
By the way I suspect there are more contesters using LOTW that actual DXers. I think the main reason for that is they are all using Absolutely... contesters are more in touch with electronic submissions. They're used to the process. On the other hand, I have 50 qsls from w3lpl -hi! Any positive suggestions? I think something that has not been mentioned much is the recent feature of certain dx clusters now indicating which spotted callsigns are LoTW users. By using the un-official callsign list at - http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw/ ...and integrating it with VE7CC's ar-user program, I can now search and pounce on dx that I'm relatively sure will qsl via LotW. I'll still pay the price for the exotic cards for the shack wall, but when it comes to qsl'ing specific band/modes, I'm all for LotW. This new cluster feature really improves my time management when it comes to pursuing DXCC. This is not a sales pitch for VE7CC's program (besides, it's free), but I recommend it. Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW
How great would it be if I logged on to DXA, looking at my QSO's (greenies). DXA asks if I want my QSO's uploaded to LOTW for (let's say) 1 dollar per QSO. Enter your creditcard nr. etc. Wim Citeren Bernie McClenny, W3UR [EMAIL PROTECTED]: N7EF=20 =20 You forgot to mention it would cost more. Don't get me wrong I like QSL cards. =20 =20 I've worked all countries and have them all confirmed on the current = list. If all of a sudden there was a new DXCC Country I would send for a traditional paper QSL card to put one on the wall with the rest. I'm seriously involved now in the DXCC Challenge with just under 3,000 band points. If I were to work a new band point or country on RTTY I really don't need another paper card. I'd just assume get it confirmed quickly = and relatively cheap via LOTW. =20 =20 Just for the sake of argument supposed I spent a minimum of $1 for each = of those QSLs. Man if my wife found out, I'd be hung out to dry! HI. To = each there own. I'm not knocking those who want the QSL cards. =20 Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] An Official LotW user list?
In relation to my previous post, I think if ARRL would periodically release an official user list, it would provide incentive for cluster users to chase dx that choose to qsl via LotW. Yes, I hear the non-cluster types tearing me down for not finding them the old fashioned way. I certainly continue to get myself up at 4am with a cup of coffee to tune thru the bands looking to be the one who spots the dx first - after I work them. But my time has become more valuable in my middle years, and I embrace spotting, rig control, LotW. The more data presented to me from my monitor, the better. I don't get up at 4am as much as I did when I was an 18 yr old Novice, and my rig no longer keeps my coffee warm, but the excitement is still there, and I guess that's what it's all about. tu de Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] An Official LotW user list?
I'm not sure a list of over 18,000 certificates would be of much use. I guess what I was getting at is that the text list of callsigns can now be integrated into certain cluster user software that will let you know when a call being spotted is a certificate holder. But on second thought, perhaps HB9BZA's list is a more accurate representation of *active* LotW users, as his list is built from contributed lotwrprt.adi files. Perhaps the official list would be information overkill. Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Yeah, I went and looked up all the spots for KG4... some are spotting him with one 4, some with 2. This is interesting. Assuming for the moment that he IS operating from Guantanamo Bay, one wonders if he (KG4WW?) got permission from whomever it is on the base that issues calls to add the extra 4. However, this does bring up an interesting legal questions, since only KG4 2x2 calls are allocated by the FCC to the US Military for Guantanamo. And a US prefixed call like this is not normally allocated to the US Amateur Service (and yes, I know there've been some exceptions over the years, such as some of the calls out around the '84 Olympics... I'm not talking about those). I seem to remember seeing calls of this nature allocated to aircraft and TV transmitter translaters and transponders and such. All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
...along with the US stations who are calling him on freq (which at the time, was well below the US phone section of the band!) John K5MO At 04:14 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
The number of US stations that operate outside our bands and subbands, during any contest, always amazes me. Apparently, there are those who do don't understand a thing about SSB or CW bandwidth. Most hams consider single-sideband suppressed carrier to be about 3 kHz wide. Which isn't necessarily true while on CW bandwidth depends on rise and fall times. Your CW bandwidth can be as wide as 150 Hz and or 375 Hz depending on rise and fall times of 5 to 2 ms. The SSB comment is only true if ones shape of the band limiting filter is sharp enough to attenuate the signal to -40 db at 3 kHz. It's important to remember that your carrier and all of your sidebands must be confined within the amateur bands and subbands as applicable. vy 73, Nick W9UM - Original Message - From: john [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:27 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW ...along with the US stations who are calling him on freq (which at the time, was well below the US phone section of the band!) John K5MO At 04:14 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
For what it's worth, I just heard him CQing and he specifically said >From Guantanamo Bay, so I guess that's where he is. As you said, WFWL.73, David, K2DBKOn 3/25/06, Ron Notarius WN3VAW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I went and looked up all the spots for KG4... some are spotting himwith one 4, some with 2.This is interesting.Assuming for the moment that he IS operating fromGuantanamo Bay, one wonders if he (KG4WW?) got permission from whomever it is on the base that issues calls to add the extra 4.However, this doesbring up an interesting legal questions, since only KG4 2x2 calls areallocated by the FCC to the US Military for Guantanamo.And a US prefixed call like this is not normally allocated to the US Amateur Service (and yes, I know there've been some exceptions over the years, suchas some of the calls out around the '84 Olympics... I'm not talking aboutthose).I seem to remember seeing calls of this nature allocated to aircraft and TV transmitter translaters and transponders and such.All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to havesome explaining to do after the contest!73 -Original Message-From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PMTo: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WWNope... KG44WWdown below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too.John K5MOAt 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo.I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo73-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks,Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this?Thanks,WV2BNothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problemshttp://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXAhttp://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Operations from Guantanamo (licensing and callsign assignment) are under the jurisdiction of the military, not FCC. Bob, N7XY On Mar 25, 2006, at 11:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, Thanks for the replies. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. I have sent an inquiry to ARRL Field Services to see if there is any input on the situation. The best as I can see, operating under the authority of an FCC license does not allow any station is US territory to operate beyond Extra Class privileges {on 20 Meters}. Or to operate with a callsign outside the assigned call of the station. If the FCC has granted authority to officials at Gitmo to assign calls, then maybe the call is Kosher. Prefixes can be added with a slant bar, but the operator can not choose to alter the assigned call. If I hear anything regarding this I'll update the list. I don't know if I missed what spurred the comment about the 3 KHz wide SSB sigs. But, it was good to listen to 14.348 and above, hear the DX calling cq, but no US stations answering. This was not the case in ARRL DX this month. What most ops don't consider is that the dial frequency is the suppressed carrier frequency. So on twenty, a dial frequency above 13.347 puts the sig squarely outside the ham band. Same closer than 3 KHz from the bottom of a band on LSB. Just cause the DX is calling CQ there doesn't mean US stations should call there! I did find it interesting to hear KG44WW scolding US stations for calling him out of band. Unless I learn something new about operating from Gitmo I thought he was out of band. 73 for now, Duane, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Strictly speaking, operations from Guantanamo Bay come under the authority of the base commander and those he has delegated to -- ie the US Military -- not the FCC. Therefore, if the KG44WW op has permission to operate below the US band on 20, he's kosher. And further, those in the US who are answering him simplex below 14.150 ARE in violation of FCC rules, which they are subject to. Wonder how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will generate? Again, though, I have a question about the valildity of the call sign. Again, as I understand the rules, the FCC long ago allocated the KG4 2x2 block for use by the military on Guantanamo. A double-number call is strictly speaking not a 2x2, and strictly speaking, is not considered in the US an Amateur service call sign. I'm sure that sometime early next week, the Powers That Be will shake this one out. In the meantime, as I said before, WFWL, and enjoy it while you can... I couldn't put my vertical up this morning (the neighborhood kids were running around the back yard, paying no attention to fences, and I couldn't risk injury to the antenna. Oh yeah, the kids too) so I'm relegated to listening but not operating. Now if the bank comes through with the mortgage next week, that too may change... 73 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:40 PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi Folks, Thanks for the replies. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. I have sent an inquiry to ARRL Field Services to see if there is any input on the situation. The best as I can see, operating under the authority of an FCC license does notallow any station is US territoryto operate beyond ExtraClass privileges {on 20 Meters}. Or to operate with a callsign outside theassigned call of the station. If the FCC has granted authority to officials at Gitmo to assign calls, then maybe the call is Kosher. Prefixes can be added with a slant bar, but the operator can not choose to alter the assigned call. If I hear anything regarding this I'll update the list. Idon't know if I missed what spurred the comment about the 3 KHz wide SSB sigs. But, it was good to listen to 14.348 and above, hear the DX calling cq, but no US stations answering. This was not the case in ARRL DX this month. What most ops don't consider is that the dial frequency is the suppressed carrier frequency. So on twenty, a dial frequency above 13.347 puts the sig squarely outside the ham band. Same closer than 3 KHz from the bottom of a band on LSB.Just cause the DX is calling CQ there doesn't mean US stations should call there! I did find it interesting to hear KG44WW scolding US stations for calling him out of band. Unless I learn something new about operating from Gitmo I thought he was out of band. 73 for now, Duane, WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: Wonder how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will generate? Aren't you dating yourself Ron? Is Dave still around? I remember him from the 50s and 60s in New York. Larry -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Slackware Linux Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
As far as I know he is... I got one from him about 3 -4 years ago or so. Now if you're a stamp collector and want some vintage 1960's era stamps, just stray near a band edge during a major contest (especially at the high end of 20) and you'll hear from Dave! 73 -Original Message- From: Larry Alkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:16 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: Wonder how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will generate? Aren't you dating yourself Ron? Is Dave still around? I remember him from the 50s and 60s in New York. Larry -- Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX Using Thunderbird on Slackware Linux Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Whats a little bending of the rules? A simplex DX pile up is intentional QRM by all the callers, or (attempted) stealing of someones run frequency in a contest (if you transmit when you even think it might interfere with another transmission, thats Intentional_QRM...very illegal). Then theres the good old use no more power than absolutely necessary for the QSO, none of us would ever violate that, would we? Or, for that matter, five over the speed limit? Let he who is without sin... Don N77EF... -- Original message from "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Strictly speaking, operations from Guantanamo Bay come under the authority of the base commander and those he has delegated to -- ie the US Military -- not the FCC. Therefore, if the KG44WW op has permission to operate below the US band on 20, he's kosher. And further, those in the US who are answering him simplex below 14.150 ARE in violation of FCC rules, which they are subject to. Wonder how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will generate? Again, though, I have a question about the valildity of the call sign. Again, as I understand the rules, the FCC long ago allocated the KG4 2x2 block for use by the military on Guantanamo. A double-number call is strictly speaking not a 2x2, and strictly speaking, is not considered in the US an Amateur service call sign. I'm sure that sometime early next week, the Powers That Be will shake this one out. In the meantime, as I said before, WFWL, and enjoy it while you can... I couldn't put my vertical up this morning (the neighborhood kids were running around the back yard, paying no attention to fences, and I couldn't risk injury to the antenna. Oh yeah, the kids too) so I'm relegated to listening but not operating. Now if the bank comes through with the mortgage next week, that too may change... 73 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:40 PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi Folks, Thanks for the replies. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. I have sent an inquiry to ARRL Field Services to see if there is any input on the situation. The best as I can see, operating under the authority of an FCC license does notallow any station is US territoryto operate beyond ExtraClass privileges {on 20 Meters}. Or to operate with a callsign outside theassigned call of the station. If the FCC has granted authority to officials at Gitmo to assign calls, then maybe the call is Kosher. Prefixes can be added with a slant bar, but the operator can not choose to alter the assigned call. If I hear anything regarding this I'll update the list. Idon't know if I missed what spurred the comment about the 3 KHz wide SSB sigs. But, it was good to listen to 14.348 and above, hear the DX calling cq, but no US stations answering. This was not the case in ARRL DX this month. What most ops don't consider is that the dial frequency is the suppressed carrier frequency. So on twenty, a dial frequency above 13.347 puts the sig squarely outside the ham band. Same closer than 3 KHz from the bottom of a band on LSB.Just cause the DX is calling CQ there doesn't mean US stations should call there! I did find it interesting to hear KG44WW scolding US stations for calling him out of band. Unless I learn something new about operating from Gitmo I thought he was out of band. 73 for now, Duane, WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Now THAT is a very good question... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernie McClenny, W3UR Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:59 PM To: 'Ron Notarius WN3VAW'; 'john'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Are Guantanamo Bay stations allowed to transmit on SSB below 14150? Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 16:15 To: john; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Yeah, I went and looked up all the spots for KG4... some are spotting him with one 4, some with 2. This is interesting. Assuming for the moment that he IS operating from Guantanamo Bay, one wonders if he (KG4WW?) got permission from whomever it is on the base that issues calls to add the extra 4. However, this does bring up an interesting legal questions, since only KG4 2x2 calls are allocated by the FCC to the US Military for Guantanamo. And a US prefixed call like this is not normally allocated to the US Amateur Service (and yes, I know there've been some exceptions over the years, such as some of the calls out around the '84 Olympics... I'm not talking about those). I seem to remember seeing calls of this nature allocated to aircraft and TV transmitter translaters and transponders and such. All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm.- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
Well, I just got told (privately) by someone that claims to know, that since KG4WW is the "licensing entity for GITMO," and that KG44WW is still considered a 2x2, the operation is legal. Whatever. Since I'm not privy to the details of how the FCC allocates a call sign block to the military, nor privy to exactly how the military assigns calls for places like Guantanamo, I'm in no position to argue that point. I'm sure come Monday or so, someone will make an actual determination. Assuming that the statement above is correct about KG4WW being the "licensing entity," I hope for his sake that he doesn't get his butt in a sling if someone decides that KG44WW should not have been used on the amateur bands. Ad infinitum ad nauesum. Good luck in the 'test guys! 73 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 10:03 PMTo: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Whats a little bending of the rules? A simplex DX pile up is intentional QRM by all the callers, or (attempted) stealing of someones run frequency in a contest (if you transmit when you even think it might interfere with another transmission, thats Intentional_QRM...very illegal). Then theres the good old use no more power than absolutely necessary for the QSO, none of us would ever violate that, would we? Or, for that matter, five over the speed limit? Let he who is without sin... Don N77EF... -- Original message from "Ron Notarius WN3VAW" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Strictly speaking, operations from Guantanamo Bay come under the authority of the base commander and those he has delegated to -- ie the US Military -- not the FCC. Therefore, if the KG44WW op has permission to operate below the US band on 20, he's kosher. And further, those in the US who are answering him simplex below 14.150 ARE in violation of FCC rules, which they are subject to. Wonder how many Popkingrams this little fiasco will generate? Again, though, I have a question about the valildity of the call sign. Again, as I understand the rules, the FCC long ago allocated the KG4 2x2 block for use by the military on Guantanamo. A double-number call is strictly speaking not a 2x2, and strictly speaking, is not considered in the US an Amateur service call sign. I'm sure that sometime early next week, the Powers That Be will shake this one out. In the meantime, as I said before, WFWL, and enjoy it while you can... I couldn't put my vertical up this morning (the neighborhood kids were running around the back yard, paying no attention to fences, and I couldn't risk injury to the antenna. Oh yeah, the kids too) so I'm relegated to listening but not operating. Now if the bank comes through with the mortgage next week, that too may change... 73 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:40 PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi Folks, Thanks for the replies. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. I have sent an inquiry to ARRL Field Services to see if there is any input on the situation. The best as I can see, operating under the authority of an FCC license does notallow any station is US territoryto operate beyond ExtraClass privileges {on 20 Meters}. Or to operate with a callsign outside theassigned call of the station. If the FCC has granted authority to officials at Gitmo to assign calls, then maybe the call is Kosher. Prefixes can be added with a slant bar, but the operator can not choose to alter the assigned call. If I hear anything regarding this I'll update the list. Idon't know if I missed what spurred the comment about the 3 KHz wide SSB sigs. But, it was good to listen to 14.348 and above, hear the DX calling cq, but no US stations answering. This was not the case in ARRL DX this month. What most ops don't consider is that the dial frequency is the suppressed carrier frequency. So on twenty, a dial frequency above 13.347 puts the sig squarely outside the ham band. Same closer than 3 KHz from the bottom of a band on LSB.Just cause the DX is calling CQ there doesn't mean US stations should call there! I did find it interesting to hear KG44WW scolding US stations for calling him out of band. Unless I learn something new about operating from Gitmo I thought he was out of band. 73 for now, Duane, WV2B"Nothinggreatiseverachievedwithoutenthusiasm."-RalphWaldoEmerson.
Re: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW
YES! Bernie McClenny, W3UR wrote: Are Guantanamo Bay stations allowed to transmit on SSB below 14150? Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Now more than ever - you need The Daily DX and The Weekly DX - to keep up with the DX news from around the globe! Editor of - The Daily DX -- two free weeks http://www.dailydx.com/order.htm - The Weekly DX -- free sample http://www.dailydx.com/weekly2.html - How's DX http://www.dailydx.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 16:15 To: john; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Yeah, I went and looked up all the spots for KG4... some are spotting him with one "4", some with 2. This is interesting. Assuming for the moment that he IS operating from Guantanamo Bay, one wonders if he (KG4WW?) got permission from whomever it is on the base that issues calls to add the extra 4. However, this does bring up an interesting legal questions, since only KG4 2x2 calls are allocated by the FCC to the US Military for Guantanamo. And a US prefixed call like this is not normally allocated to the US Amateur Service (and yes, I know there've been some exceptions over the years, such as some of the calls out around the '84 Olympics... I'm not talking about those). I seem to remember seeing calls of this nature allocated to aircraft and TV transmitter translaters and transponders and such. All I can say is... WFWL, and if this character is legit, he's going to have some explaining to do after the contest! 73 -Original Message- From: john [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:51 PM To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Nope... KG44WW down below the US SSB allocations I heard 'em too. John K5MO At 03:25 PM 3/25/2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: That has to be a typo. I'm sure DJ1CW meant KG4WW down in Guantanamo 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 3:01 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KG44WW Hi folks, Listening to KG44WW on 14118.6. What country is this? Thanks, WV2B "Nothing great is ever achieved without enthusiasm."- Ralph Waldo Emerson. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org